Post AbSYaRWXk2JIW4SyRc by dahukanna@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AbRIn4buS3v6n817tw by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-11-03T19:37:52Z
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A reminder for non-academics that if you ever can't find access to an academic's paper or article, you should feel free and encouraged to reach out to them to ask for a pre-print version.They will not think of it as an imposition; they will, in fact, be EXTREMELY gratified by your interest.https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=riv547sAAAAJ&hl=en
(DIR) Post #AbRJFeK7GUZvf5JwBM by shiiko@mstdn.social
2023-11-03T19:43:08Z
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@Wolven Good tip. Thanks!Lots of interesting (even for us non-scientists) research being done. I spend my lunch time reading very research on a broad range of topics.
(DIR) Post #AbRKk6y1QuLz8k4kBU by drclareharris@newsie.social
2023-11-03T19:59:50Z
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@Wolven Great idea! Thx!
(DIR) Post #AbRYz3PmJzIJpC4sXg by luism@fosstodon.org
2023-11-03T22:39:22Z
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@Wolven Thank you for sharing that.
(DIR) Post #AbRaamydz60vnowWno by mattblaze@federate.social
2023-11-03T22:57:18Z
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@Wolven Yes, yes, a thousand times this. People outside of academia have no idea how crazy academic publishing is. They (reasonably) think publishers pay us for our papers or that we get royalties from journal fees, and have no idea that we get absolutely no benefit from the extortionary prices charged by journals for reprints.
(DIR) Post #AbRb063WBhBYDII4jQ by EmilsGameRoom@mstdn.games
2023-11-03T23:01:54Z
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@Wolven also do not underestimate the power of local libraries! You can reach out to individual academics but for laymen it might be hard to even know which academics to contact. Your library is connected to the library at your local community college which is networked to every other public school! If you go there and say "I want to learn more about current research in X" they can connect you to documents and people!
(DIR) Post #AbRhti9YqKzA1T1FwG by justafrog@mstdn.social
2023-11-04T00:19:15Z
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@Wolven They may also squeal with excitement that someone actually wants to read it.All that work, and someone CARES!
(DIR) Post #AbRm1JtDL2Vuu5FyiG by MeeMee@universeodon.com
2023-11-04T01:05:13Z
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@Wolven đ
(DIR) Post #AbRovtatyaKhlSnRZ2 by Zeb_Larson@zirk.us
2023-11-04T01:38:07Z
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@Wolven No joke, I once had somebody express concern that "I'd lose money" if I gave them a copy of an article for free. So sweet, but buddy I am always down to screw over journal publishers.
(DIR) Post #AbRqFQUzxeCfGzubfk by leohavemann@mastodon.social
2023-11-04T01:52:51Z
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@Wolven this! - but also, academics, please put your preprint online (in sensible places) so it can be found and no one has to ask :) ** soapbox ends **
(DIR) Post #AbRxKPXXeZ6RQTQRns by wannabemystiker@expressional.social
2023-11-04T03:12:10Z
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@Wolven Very helpful tip. Thank you!
(DIR) Post #AbRxZJQ2h282mn1VOi by JohnDA@social.vivaldi.net
2023-11-04T03:14:47Z
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@Wolven also add the Unpaywall extension on your browser to see easily if an eprint is out there already.
(DIR) Post #AbSCddp8Gm0CXaHUvY by steeph@todon.eu
2023-11-04T06:03:44Z
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@Wolven In my experience it is important though that you don't include anything that could be construed as criticism of any of their work though, at least as a layperson. Otherwise you might not get anything from them ever again.
(DIR) Post #AbSFiZoktJdJQV9Lrk by themanual4am@mastodon.online
2023-11-04T06:38:14Z
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@Wolven @ngaylinn I've heard this repeated over the decades, and have tried many times to email authors for copies of papers (from a variety of email addresses, though none academic) and I have never received a single response. Across decades.I don't doubt this sentiment exists somewhere, but this isn't practical advice for someone with a genuine desire to read a specific paper, for a specific need, at a specific time.Begging for scraps on closed doors isn't a winning survival strategy
(DIR) Post #AbSQaNDIy4FDVyvKSG by sadedoes@fedi.kcore.org
2023-11-04T08:39:56Z
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@Wolven i have done this several times and more often than not I get a copy of the paper. The abstracts online always have a contact person, just send them a polite email asking if they could share their paper with you, and most be very happy to oblique đ
(DIR) Post #AbSUOaGX0xd0Kw4CDg by nellie_m@autisticpri.de
2023-11-04T09:22:45Z
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@Wolven @TatianaIlyina I can confirm that people are thrilled to find youâre interested in their work.I asked several of my private friends if I could read their PhD thesis. They all looked at me with big round eyes and thought I couldnât be serious. But I was. And each single one was interesting. Of course I didnât fully understand every detail, but it was always fascinating to see what had been such a big part of my friendsâ lives, and I always came out richer for their sharing it with me.
(DIR) Post #AbSWXdeA0qwNKzZ2nY by _bydbach_@hcommons.social
2023-11-04T09:46:48Z
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@Wolven I'd even go further. A lot of academics are stoked to share the published versions because they disagree with paywalls.
(DIR) Post #AbSYaRWXk2JIW4SyRc by dahukanna@mastodon.social
2023-11-04T10:09:39Z
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@Wolven As I non-academic, I always feel uncomfortable my initial contact is to demand someone's work from them. It feels like walking uninvited into the house of a complete stranger, not saying hello, helping yourself to the contents of their fridge and leaving.Could the request for pre-print be set up at the restricted site so that I know the author has consented and invites the request intrusion?
(DIR) Post #AbSesdbe9qr6vUue5g by PoliticalPuffin@union.place
2023-11-04T11:20:14Z
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@Wolven Hi from the UK, Prof. đ Yes, it is a great tip and although my experience is my lecturers, their colleagues, & most folk in & around academia are awesome, my deference towards them does make it feel awkward to approach them.I also wonder if those that do not know the details of x really want to know those details. It is always easier to scream that chickens are taking over suburbs and sacrificing children if you are NOT aware of the facts.Thank you. All the best to you & yours. Dave
(DIR) Post #AbSsdqDaNqGl3XUsJE by petersuber@fediscience.org
2023-11-04T13:54:22Z
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@Wolven Yes, definitely. I'd add three points.1. This should be a reminder to academics too, not just non-academics.2. Don't merely ask for the #preprint. Ask for the #postprint (version approved by peer review). 3. If you're an author receiving such a request, do send a copy by email. But at the same time, deposit a copy in an #OpenAccess #repository (#GreenOA). That will help all who need access, not just the tiny subset willing to hunt you down, write, and ask.
(DIR) Post #AbStt70SLbUlQDCXVA by jeffmcneill@fosstodon.org
2023-11-04T14:08:23Z
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@Wolven also libgen and sci-hub
(DIR) Post #AbTY6JmMAPLyxySSy8 by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-11-04T21:38:56Z
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@dahukanna Unstated rules that "everybody knows" are unfortunately rife throughout multiple contexts. The sociological idea of the "hidden curriculum" deals in part with this. And posts like this, and the effort of teaching students about what office hours are and are for, is part of undoing this.As to your first question, free sites like https://www.researchgate.net/ have tools for exactly this: ways to set up an openly available pre-print, or to make it so that people can email you to get a copy.
(DIR) Post #AbTYQSImBkpHBvDylc by dahukanna@mastodon.social
2023-11-04T21:42:33Z
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@Wolven thanks.
(DIR) Post #AbTYSQiB4XdQq22zIW by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-11-04T21:43:02Z
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@petersuber I'd say your 2nd & 3rd point are going to be contingent on people's comfort and safety to deal with any backlash they might get from the original publisher. That is, people in precarious employment positions might feel the need to be more careful.Personally, I try to make sure my "pre-print" versions are just the final versions absent the final publication layout formatting.
(DIR) Post #AbTtJXSIj9KSBYDrqy by timelfen@assemblag.es
2023-11-05T01:36:37Z
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@Wolven Sounds like you are already sharing post-prints.Most journals have policies on this: no need to worry when something is explicitly allowed. Sherpa Romeo is a good resource on journal sharing policies: https://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/But itâs also unclear to me why authors, of whatever employment status, should be worried abt backlash: the worst a publisher can do is ask that a repository take a deposit down, which is an extremely rare occurrence. Are you thinking of other kinds of risks?
(DIR) Post #AbTyUNRMnq3m52m06C by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-11-05T02:34:39Z
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@timelfen In the U.S. at least, authors can be sued for breach of contract if the publisher is litigious enough.
(DIR) Post #AbTyhuAMRNyZLGGlZg by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-11-05T02:37:05Z
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@timelfen And if someone doesn't have the backing of standing or seniority, they will have less access to resources to defend against any legal or reputational harm
(DIR) Post #AbU0rFWWbSoO5zDhMu by timelfen@assemblag.es
2023-11-05T03:01:04Z
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@Wolven But has such a breach of contract lawsuit ever been filed by an academic publisher against a scholar sharing digital copies of their own work? I know of no such lawsuits: if you or others do know of examples, please point me in the right direction. (@petersuber, do you know of any?)Publishers (selectively & strategically) sue the libraries/repositories/academic-social-networks who host illegally uploaded works, not individual scholars.
(DIR) Post #AbU1b2N7phB2cxemMy by Wolven@ourislandgeorgia.net
2023-11-05T03:09:27Z
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@timelfen @petersuber I'm just telling you what junior scholars and especially young adjuncts may be afraid of, and that I know this because I was one, among others, and we talked about and strategized about these things. Have a good one.
(DIR) Post #AbU55EpcNAOHou4niq by timelfen@assemblag.es
2023-11-05T03:48:30Z
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@Wolven Understood, junior & contingent academics have lots to be concerned about. What concerns me here is that publishing is opaque, seems capricious, & is highly consequential for career progression, which is the perfect combo for generating unfounded but powerful rumors & overly conservative strategizing.I wouldnât have jumped into the convo unless I had relevant knowledge, worries abt how scholarship gets locked up, & appreciation of academicsâ difficult negotiations.
(DIR) Post #Aba3qFtDDsC9kfoDU8 by cientounero@mstdn.science
2023-11-04T12:05:11Z
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@Wolven I remember the bibliographic search in current contents (in paper!) when I was a medical student and I used to request some articles from the authors by postal mail. And the articles arrived by postal mail. It had a very high response rate. đ
(DIR) Post #Abo5l3MpzDabn8biaW by _thegeoff@mastodon.social
2023-11-14T19:30:06Z
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@Wolven Yup, can confirm, I've done it a few times, usually for less technical papers (Paul Halpern has written some lovely stuff on humour in the history of cutting edge physics), and as long as you're even vaguely polite you get an enthusiastic response and free PDF.
(DIR) Post #Abo76QCGOzScdCPlFA by pebonius@mastodon.online
2023-11-14T19:45:19Z
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@Wolven i have heard abt cases of academics sending free copies of their FULL BOOKS to students in countries where the publication was not otherwise available or if there was no plan to republish the book