Post AbPLvGMMYymt5tQEng by lewiscowles1986@phpc.social
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(DIR) Post #AbNPunabXdRbMhCKky by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-11-01T22:37:30Z
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OK, I have a somewhat baffling (to me) Mastodon question. How do I link to a thread?I want to link to a fantastic thread by @mhoye - but if I link to the first post in that thread - https://mastodon.social/@mhoye/111335603309582734 - I get a page with a single post on it and other people's replies, with no indication it's part of a larger thread from the same authorAm I missing something here?
(DIR) Post #AbNQ8ItKTMkkD9ObeC by frabcus@mastodon.social
2023-11-01T22:39:53Z
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@simon @mhoye I don't know, but meanwhile could you link to the first message in the thread as it looks really interesting đ
(DIR) Post #AbNQKoduFRVAA29FLM by lrwrp@infosec.exchange
2023-11-01T22:39:58Z
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@simon @mhoye for what itâs worth, on Ivory I get the thread. Not sure if thatâs an Ivory feature or what.
(DIR) Post #AbNQVm9xotave5Mw52 by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-11-01T22:40:01Z
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@mhoye Linking to a post further down that thread seems to give me what I want, maybe because it's a post that didn't get many replies from other people? https://mastodon.social/@mhoye/111336060283130128
(DIR) Post #AbNQfsEY5lDjNaKR8a by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-11-01T22:40:35Z
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@frabcus @mhoye That WAS the first message in the thread! It's a really good thread. Clicking this link might help you see more of it https://mastodon.social/@mhoye/111336060283130128
(DIR) Post #AbNQqtsCKvlLeL8FGK by fancysandwiches@urbanists.social
2023-11-01T22:41:02Z
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@simon @mhoye it shows as a thread for me on Tusky and Elk
(DIR) Post #AbNQr6Y7CuQGxoptGS by fancysandwiches@urbanists.social
2023-11-01T22:41:45Z
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@simon @mhoye it does seem broken on mastodon.social
(DIR) Post #AbNR0vRRMNwNPTOeuW by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-11-01T22:41:41Z
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@fancysandwiches @mhoye Yeah, it works great in Elk and Ivory for me - but I want to link to it from my blog, so I need a URL that works in a browser
(DIR) Post #AbNREoza8RqFSgzaAC by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-11-01T22:42:20Z
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@JackEric @mhoye Are you viewing it in a Mastodon client or directly in the browser?
(DIR) Post #AbNROnxWpazx9ZnBOy by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-11-01T22:43:23Z
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@mhoye It works fine when I view it in Elk or in Ivory (iOS Mastodon client) - but I want a reliable URL that I can link to which will show all of the content to people who aren't using a Mastodon client, just their browserI've been bad-mouthing Twitter recently as a terrible place to publish threaded content because it all gets hidden behind a registration-wall, I thought Mastodon threads were a better bet than that!
(DIR) Post #AbNRP7vmZnU95x84SO by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-11-01T22:45:23Z
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@mhoye I think it may be this issue on the Mastodon bug tracker: https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/24676"Linking the first post in a long thread appears to hide the thread"
(DIR) Post #AbNRPa3Y0WKkK8yfRo by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-11-01T22:49:54Z
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@mhoye Yeah, I'm pretty confident this is a bug in the Mastodon default web application. Linking to the first post in a long thread hides the rest of the thread; linking to any subsequent post in that thread behaves as it should.
(DIR) Post #AbNRZfwQysbNTMSpGq by Captainobservant@zeroes.ca
2023-11-01T22:43:39Z
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@mhoye @simon that works for me (using metatext)
(DIR) Post #AbNRkSIA4OtaKBlbsW by Snowshadow@mastodon.social
2023-11-01T22:44:13Z
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@simon @mhoye Try sending your question to @feditips They even answer personal messages/questions.
(DIR) Post #AbNSJyArWZRlLDHsDQ by geospacedman@mastodon.social
2023-11-01T22:51:22Z
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@simon @mhoye I often see that the answer to any Mastodon "How do I do this link/reference thing to a toot that seems trivial and works on Twitter" question is "You can't do that, and that's by design to stop [insert abusive social media behaviour trope here]".
(DIR) Post #AbNSYEJcJBhtSMBLai by joelanman@hachyderm.io
2023-11-01T22:52:31Z
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@simon @mhoye I think it's a client issue. Phanpy shows that thread fine, elk is showing that servers UI instead and the thread is not clear that way
(DIR) Post #AbNSuftWRzw5MWgAAy by rgarner@mastodon.social
2023-11-01T22:54:38Z
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@simon it works fine over here, but it does take A Lot Of Seconds on certain instances to load posts other than the first one. Mastodon.social has been having a day today, so it's probably not you. Link to the first post and wait for better #fediweather ?
(DIR) Post #AbNT8xcTLWk8ODW3bk by jleedev@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-11-01T22:54:37Z
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@simon particularly confusing that the first post in the thread _sometimes_ shows you the author's posts in order and sometimes doesn't
(DIR) Post #AbNTNPYYH5zj5WZZtQ by dgouldin@mastodon.social
2023-11-01T22:57:27Z
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@simon @mhoye when âtweetstormsâ first became a thing, youâd have to link to the last one because the reply list endpoint would not list the authorâs tweets first.We quickly forget how long it took to tune so many of the patterns we take for granted today.
(DIR) Post #AbNTZZakmxllghOz0S by fancysandwiches@urbanists.social
2023-11-01T22:57:47Z
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@simon @mhoye You could link to it via elk.zone like so: https://elk.zone/@mhoye@mastodon.social/111335604521769845I know that's weird, but it would at least work
(DIR) Post #AbNToHOCkNcrZsXq40 by jszym@cosocial.ca
2023-11-01T23:12:43Z
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@simon @mhoye Yah, annoyingly I always just link the second post in the thread.
(DIR) Post #AbNUY7uOKS2TUhSfnk by freyfogle@mastodon.social
2023-11-01T23:29:25Z
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@simon @mhoye hmm, what am I misunderstanding? I link to all out #geoweirdness threads here: https://blog.opencagedata.com/geothreads when I click one one I always get the full thread. Do you not?
(DIR) Post #AbNVWesMszO57ENYC8 by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-11-01T23:38:52Z
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@freyfogle @mhoye maybe en.osm.town is running a version of Mastodon that doesn't have the bug?
(DIR) Post #AbNWMfhD59hUiWxg2q by freyfogle@mastodon.social
2023-11-01T23:49:45Z
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@simon @mhoye no idea. Let's ask @amapanda
(DIR) Post #AbNYSeMHAUTKDM9Fmi by cheeaun@mastodon.social
2023-11-02T00:11:02Z
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@simon when logged out, API only returns max 60 descendants. That thread seems to have ~190 descendants if logged-in https://mastodon.social/@cheeaun/110223399374417436So ~130 of the replies are not shown for the logged-out viewers.
(DIR) Post #AbNYreW7iNKdwkg0KO by ahimsa_pdx@disabled.social
2023-11-02T00:17:39Z
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@simon I'm using the web interface (Firefox browser on a MacBook) and I can see a thread (post with replies) when I go to that link - https://mastodon.social/@mhoye/111335603309582734 I don't know what's going on but I hope this bit of data helps you figure it out. FYI, my server is still running v4.1.6Screenshot attached.
(DIR) Post #AbNi6ORIfmtW0tWYpk by django@social.coop
2023-11-02T02:01:09Z
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@simon i just opened the post in a private window, the rest of the thread takes a moment to appear as itâs loaded asynchronously!
(DIR) Post #AbNn0Nv4C0GKQzOxLk by feditips@mstdn.social
2023-11-02T00:33:41Z
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@Snowshadow @simon @mhoye What you linked to doesn't look like a thread? It seems to just be a single post?If you want to build a thread, post something and then reply to that post to add the next part of the thread, then reply to the reply etc. That way, when anyone links to any part of the thread, they will see all the other posts in the thread above and below it.
(DIR) Post #AbNn0SEi8uLvp4chWa by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-11-02T02:55:59Z
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@feditips @Snowshadow @mhoye that's the bug: it's definitely a thread!You can see that it's a thread if you follow this link to the second post in that thread: https://mastodon.social/@mhoye/111336060283130128
(DIR) Post #AbNnMzBqIn8COj1dVQ by blogdiva@mastodon.social
2023-11-02T02:58:56Z
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@simon @mhoye i see what you mean: the whole thread loaded for me but am on the same server. if you are on your own server/instance, check the cache. it may not be refreshing appropriately. it's one of my pet peeve with Redis. it's too aggressive for small servers.
(DIR) Post #AbNnqHamxg7ZryfCVs by feditips@mstdn.social
2023-11-02T03:05:16Z
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@simon @Snowshadow @mhoye Ahh okay! I see.Weirdly, if I go to the second post and then click on the first post it does display the thread correctly. But then if I refresh the page it goes back to the isolated post.Does seem like a bug, yes.You were linking correctly, it does normally work fine. This seems like some kind of freak rare bug? It's definitely not normal behaviour.
(DIR) Post #AbNoJ6DsJQb30OgdOa by feditips@mstdn.social
2023-11-02T03:08:41Z
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@simon @Snowshadow @mhoye p.s. But then... weirdly, if I paste the URL into the Mastodon search box to make it appear within my own server, the thread renders fine!I'm guessing this is some kind of rare database corruption or something? Never seen it before.
(DIR) Post #AbNoJ6uljwuL9QktFo by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-11-02T03:10:50Z
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@feditips @Snowshadow @mhoye I think it's this bug here https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon/issues/24676
(DIR) Post #AbNoaWgbAxI20EQp6m by feditips@mstdn.social
2023-11-02T03:13:46Z
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@simon @Snowshadow @mhoye Does sound similar.It sounds intermittent though, as clicking on the link in that bug report renders its thread correctly?
(DIR) Post #AbOA9LlJsdh7IP5Q0m by lewiscowles1986@phpc.social
2023-11-02T07:15:23Z
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@simon @mhoye Why can't you link the parent, and then highlight (maybe curate) some of the sub-toot replies you particularly enjoy?
(DIR) Post #AbOPJg0gx6pYImeu2a by frabcus@mastodon.social
2023-11-02T10:05:06Z
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@simon @mhoye Ah! This is super confusing - and turns out is different if logged into mastodon.social or not.First screenshot, logged in. Second screenshot in an incognito window.Now I understand what you were complaining about! Odd bug to do with authentication? I don't follow @mhoye
(DIR) Post #AbOVuSnZdQtPlaRnrU by Ohsin@mastodon.social
2023-11-02T11:19:15Z
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@simon @mhoye The thread renders fine for me on web version. May be as a work-around thread unroll service by mastoreaderio bot can be used.
(DIR) Post #AbOqmLEBzrVP0VrmgC by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-11-02T15:09:00Z
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@lewiscowles1986 @mhoye the feature I most want from Mastodon is Twitter-style quote/embeds, precisely so I can do this kind of thing
(DIR) Post #AbPLvGMMYymt5tQEng by lewiscowles1986@phpc.social
2023-11-02T21:01:41Z
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@simon @mhoye Is https://docs.joinmastodon.org/methods/oembed/ of any help?I'd have thought this would be a way to embed. Although I recommend @chriscoyier recent article on avoiding oEmbed and iframes; instead scraping and polling a url.https://chriscoyier.net/2023/11/01/0-kb-social-media-embeds/