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(DIR) Post #AbOHfaO5jq9DbLXXbU by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-11-02T08:41:23Z
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I do think that generating a track from existing songs to create a "new" Beatles track does create a Beatles song. Just a very boring one that probably wouldn't have made a b-side.Artists do often have a certain style (at a point in time) which these statistical systems can reproduce to a degree. So yeah, the song is based on the artists' patterns and if done by the artists could be considered their work.It just takes away everything from the work of artists we care about. There's no reflection on the real world, on lived experience, no social interaction or communication, nothing new to say about anything.It's pretending as if the album by an artist you like that is kinda boring because it sounds like all the old ones is relevant work. It's the definition of cashing in on one's reputation with worthless content.
(DIR) Post #AbOHo6WW8qcFaNXj2e by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-11-02T08:42:53Z
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(I might be very uncharitable because I just find the Beatles' work very boring, their music just doesn't move me. I associate it with boring radio music for old people ;))
(DIR) Post #AbOI3B2jcVLxwlndvk by tehabe@norden.social
2023-11-02T08:45:34Z
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@tante Patrick (H) Willem exams this with trailers of popular film which looked like Wes Anderson did them and why it isn't true https://youtu.be/aC99lNQdNmA
(DIR) Post #AbOIBDNWoxtBVTMHTs by SnorriSturluson@social.tchncs.de
2023-11-02T08:46:28Z
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@tante 😡 That's a sacrilege !!! Retract your heresy !!!! 😜
(DIR) Post #AbOIJqqlwyAYF69gq8 by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-11-02T08:46:04Z
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@tehabe Yeah I really enjoyed his videos on the issue
(DIR) Post #AbOITboYhusYVQlxsu by SnorriSturluson@social.tchncs.de
2023-11-02T08:49:27Z
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@tante In the early 90ies, I'd start an argument with the uncle of a frind of mine: I stated that somehow The Beatles were nothing more than one early Boygroup, like the boygroups that were famous during the 90ies and 00s .... Gosh, you should have seen his face 😡
(DIR) Post #AbOIbRMhRRMoPlTZw0 by passenger@kolektiva.social
2023-11-02T08:50:47Z
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@tante The Beatles did do some very experimental music later in their career, but I'm pretty confident that Beatles-music-autogeneration isn't going to focus on copying pieces like Revolution 9 or You Know My Name (Look Up The Number).
(DIR) Post #AbOIlFVEOtSEWI8ye0 by FlippoFlip@chaos.social
2023-11-02T08:51:56Z
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@tante but that's not what the beatles did. As far as i understand it, the AI simply isolated john Lennons vocals from an old cassette demo. So that song is really written by Lennon/McCartney.
(DIR) Post #AbOIyte0Sz9UmUkvmC by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-11-02T08:54:09Z
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@FlippoFlip So it's not really "AI" but a bit of signal cleanup?
(DIR) Post #AbOJMpfkswJlPezHX6 by regenrohr@mastodon.social
2023-11-02T09:00:16Z
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@tante they also wrote songs justifying violence against the female Partner - ofc as legit means due to jealousy - gotta look up the name in a few days though
(DIR) Post #AbOK0G7aTylMjio1E8 by clemensg@digitalcourage.social
2023-11-02T09:07:33Z
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@tante ((I'll comment in German for once. Please use DeepL.com, as I do with your texts).Das historische Verdienst der Beatles liegt nicht allein bei einigen Songs für die Ewigkeit. Sondern auch darin, dass sie die für heutige Musiker selbstverständliche Arbeit im Studio etablierten. Da ihre (weiblichen) Fans stets so laut kreischten, dass die Band ihre eigene Musik auf der Bühne kaum noch hören konnte, gaben sie das Touren auf und verbrachten Wochen und Monate im Studio. Erst dadurch wurde "Sound" zu einer heute üblichen Kategorie, um Musik zu bewerten. Statt kurz zwischen Gigs und Touren eine neue LP in Tagen im Studio einzuspielen, feilten die Beatles als Studio-Pioniere wochenlang an einzelnen Tracks, wobei der 'fünfte Beatle', ihr Produzent George Martin daran einen gehörigen Anteil hatte.Hört einmal mit diesem Wissen ein Stück wie "Strawberry Fields" neu an. Und entdeckt die große Kunst dahinter.#Beatles #Musik #music
(DIR) Post #AbOKIrw8cnI7EOKAb2 by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-11-02T09:10:57Z
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@clemensg Musikhistorisch alles richtig. Läßt mich trotzdem ähnlich kalt wie Schlager. Ist ja auch keine Qualitätsaussage sondern eine persönliche: Mir gibt deren Ouevre nichts
(DIR) Post #AbOKQLEw4gQy8lgDg0 by clemensg@digitalcourage.social
2023-11-02T09:12:12Z
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@tante So schnell kannst du "Strawberry Fields" anhören? ;-)
(DIR) Post #AbOKcWiTEPfPD0Iy24 by slowtiger@berlin.social
2023-11-02T09:13:20Z
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@tanteArtist for the killer,AI for the filler.
(DIR) Post #AbOKjE46yQYzOIcbse by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-11-02T09:13:23Z
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@clemensg Musiknerds haben mich immer wieder gezwungen Beatles Songs zu hören. Ich muss das Experiment nicht noch einmal wiederholen ;)
(DIR) Post #AbOKsm0i8TbDHBaFlo by FlippoFlip@chaos.social
2023-11-02T09:13:59Z
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@tante that's what they say. Yeah.
(DIR) Post #AbOL2r9VsB0K7TVblI by clemensg@digitalcourage.social
2023-11-02T09:18:14Z
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@tante Nur kurz nachgefragt: "Wonderwall" von Oasis läuft bei dir auch unter "Schlager"?
(DIR) Post #AbOLBMG86QQmubepk0 by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-11-02T09:20:02Z
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@clemensg Wonderwall war bekannter Popsong in meiner Jugend, der hats immer leichter als Oldies.
(DIR) Post #AbOMMyhvaoW3ITlTiC by benjohn@todon.nl
2023-11-02T09:34:03Z
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@tante I was under the impression the “AI” here wasn’t generative really? I was more stuff like blind source separation to let them recover the individual performers from the recorded scraps they had so as to fix / mix them properly? But I could definitely be mistaken!I like a bunch of the Beatles because we had some albums on vinyl and I liked putting them on / enjoying them with parents.
(DIR) Post #AbOMeNtFDZguK2MFea by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-11-02T09:36:20Z
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@benjohn Yeah, the first thing I read talked a lot about "AI" but when you really look at it, they did a bit of signal processing/sound engineering. Big whoop ;)
(DIR) Post #AbOMwPx8Ht65vqm8vo by mmby@mastodon.social
2023-11-02T09:39:35Z
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@tante though in a cynical way it's better than mashing things together randomly with an anonymous promptif you want another beatles-like track, you're at least resonating with the works of the artist and if you're including the style, you're generating a homage with known sourcesif you just let something be generated, you don't even know your influences - which imo makes you more of a recipient than a creatorpeople who sample select their sources carefully
(DIR) Post #AbOQC0Da2ILYc4akj2 by benjohn@todon.nl
2023-11-02T10:16:50Z
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@tante Yeah :-) That's the impression I get.When CGI started to be used in films it was often hyped (by misdirection) that all the Fx was CGI, even when the vast majority was still practical and CGI was being used scarcely for a few shots. Now that CGI is so regularly and consistently used, the opposite happens: any use of practical Fx is highlighted and CGI use downplayed.… I think a similar process will happen with AI 🙂 "Oh, no no no, we're not using AI! Just signal processing."
(DIR) Post #AbOU8pIMaeGjgUZP3Q by incredibish@mastodon.green
2023-11-02T11:01:10Z
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@tante I don't disagree with your uncharitable sentiments, but then again I am an old people, and a long time Beatles fan, and I am ready to drop shields this afternoon and go with the emotion - as indeed I did when I watched the making of mini-doc this morning. ;-)
(DIR) Post #AbOyRVIOAZTjmeP7IG by starfrosch@mastodon.social
2023-11-02T16:40:37Z
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@tante Hier ein paar Fakten zum Gelabber https://www.srf.ch/news/international/now-and-then-so-klingt-der-neuste-und-letzte-beatles-song
(DIR) Post #AbP1gJp9P1G0PZU4qu by sashin@mastodon.online
2023-11-02T17:16:57Z
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@tante Have you listened to a lot of it? Do you know "I'm only sleeping"
(DIR) Post #AbQIlmgHQvYRjiUFO4 by claudius@darmstadt.social
2023-11-03T08:03:09Z
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@tante I watched a few of the movie classics _very_ late. And while I absolutely understand the significance of "2001 Space Odyssey" intellectually, it simply does not move anything *for me*. I'm not mad I watched it, it is good "common knowledge", I probably just won't go out of my way to watch it again.I have seen 100 sci fi movies that came after it (many Inspired by 2001, of course) that tell a more interesting story or are more advanced in some other way.I think it's fine to move on.