Post AbCuCbeJ6CsSDOPrw8 by Stretch882@techhub.social
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(DIR) Post #AbCcERKgd0FBchxnvM by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-27T17:35:13Z
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Major labels get more profit, smaller indie labels and unsigned artists get less. "A new threshold of minimum annual streams that a track must meet before it starts to generate royalties. The threshold, according to MBW, will de-monetize tracks that had previously received 0.5% of Spotify’s royalty pool."https://www.billboard.com/pro/spotify-changing-how-pays-artists-stream-thresholds/#Spotify #MusicIndustry #Streaming #Music
(DIR) Post #AbCdZJODSHyd1X8Al6 by fluffy@plush.city
2023-10-27T17:50:10Z
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@killyourfm oh great, so instead of making $20/year (optimistically) I will now make $0/year. Why should I even bother?
(DIR) Post #AbCeyqUvb2yStv0fB2 by karschsp@jawns.club
2023-10-27T18:06:02Z
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@killyourfm to paraphrase Spinal Tap: “How much more 'less' can we pay them? The answer is none. None more ‘less’”
(DIR) Post #AbCqeuvibiReIynwVU by fluffy@plush.city
2023-10-27T17:57:18Z
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Artists: hey Spotify the way you pay artists is unfair and imbalanced, you should fix itSpotify: you’re right, we *do* pay too much to smaller bands@killyourfm
(DIR) Post #AbCsIHdyBxgVzxq0v2 by locness3@fosstodon.org
2023-10-27T20:35:12Z
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@killyourfm did not know monetized white noise tracks were a thing, how is it at all acceptable?
(DIR) Post #AbCuCbeJ6CsSDOPrw8 by Stretch882@techhub.social
2023-10-27T20:56:33Z
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@killyourfm Fuck Spotify ... Might as well just pirate music (not that I'm condoning it) because the artist still gets nothing, but at least the Spotify owners/shareholders aren't getting rich on other people work.
(DIR) Post #AbD6H04BSNe0YJNiCm by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-27T23:11:51Z
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Enough.
(DIR) Post #AbD6aqA3zfBxcjam8W by jnv@fosstodon.org
2023-10-27T23:15:29Z
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@killyourfm Yes cancel all the things!
(DIR) Post #AbD7Fk7xKgLwma6tw8 by cinn48@mstdn.social
2023-10-27T23:22:36Z
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@killyourfm I hear you. We all reach our breaking point with Spotify at some point.Mine was a few years ago when they started putting free to access podcasts on their platform and adding their own ads for the non paying users....While at the same time the CEO's salary was astronomical and he was quoted as saying artists who wanted to make more money on Spotify needed to make more content.I wrote them about it and then cancelled. I'm sure my email went nowhere, but I felt good.
(DIR) Post #AbD7arC8FeTimb8DgG by lashman@mastodon.social
2023-10-27T23:26:34Z
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@killyourfm you're finally free, congrats! :BlobhajBlanketBlue:
(DIR) Post #AbD7oISEDDJ95k4Kv2 by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-27T23:29:03Z
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@tamitha to the best of my knowledge, this is what the current payout situation looks like. But allegedly Spotify is about to pay even less to smaller artists than labels. To the point of completely demonetizing tracks that don’t mean a certain stream count threshold.
(DIR) Post #AbD7uRDAZAe5zMxBqK by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-27T23:30:12Z
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@lashman Thanks! I’m considering not adding my future releases to Spotify either. Not that my little act of rebellion will make a difference, but it’s the principle of the thing.
(DIR) Post #AbD7yxX2LEuPO4P0gS by lashman@mastodon.social
2023-10-27T23:31:01Z
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@killyourfm yeah, definitely don't do that! try something like Resonate instead :)
(DIR) Post #AbD8ZGdwlMwP5LwoTI by Aneilan@infosec.exchange
2023-10-27T23:33:26Z
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@tamitha @killyourfm unfortunately they don't have a desktop client for linux (other than some github project where it's basically just the web interface wrapped in electron)
(DIR) Post #AbD8ZHRDoAM9YB0AHA by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-27T23:37:35Z
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@Aneilan @tamitha sneaky and awesome workaround: adding your Tidal subscription to Plex/PlexAmp. This is now my dream streaming setup. I stream mainly my personal library, but Tidal seamlessly fills in the blanks and integrates into all of PlexAmp’s “Sonic” features.
(DIR) Post #AbD8fiqsnSxgJJ4nAW by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-27T23:38:46Z
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@tamitha Tidal. I kinda explain why in a related reply.
(DIR) Post #AbD8nzb0QY4qYcar8y by Aneilan@infosec.exchange
2023-10-27T23:40:14Z
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@killyourfm @tamitha TIL
(DIR) Post #AbDCuyVdGWD51yfI6i by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-28T00:26:21Z
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@cinn48 All of that is disgusting -- except for your email.
(DIR) Post #AbDDSEZqXumkQAUlxA by scooter@linuxrocks.online
2023-10-28T00:32:20Z
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@killyourfm that was me last year.
(DIR) Post #AbDDvJDWNFEpD2utyS by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-28T00:37:37Z
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@scooter Did you switch to something different? I'm rocking Tidal + PlexAmp and it's a dream.
(DIR) Post #AbDDz57EkDFYdJmBfM by NathanHarvey@kolektiva.social
2023-10-28T00:38:16Z
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@killyourfm @EposVox I am not clear how they distinguish tracks that are “just white noise” versus classic noise artists like Merzbow, Massonna, Fe-Mail, or what have you. There are a lot of atmospheric black metal, sludge, old school industrial, and other genre pieces that consist predominantly in various kinds of white noise and distorted tonality too. Is there someone going through their catalog and evaluating whether something is “real” music?I abandoned Spotify a while back. Doesn’t sound like they’re doing any better…
(DIR) Post #AbDE9xL208lNhHPik4 by scooter@linuxrocks.online
2023-10-28T00:39:48Z
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@killyourfm that’s exactly what I’m using right now too. Plexamp integrates pretty well with Tidal and my local collection.
(DIR) Post #AbDEsDa8y7HwolaXGC by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-28T00:48:16Z
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@scooter Ahh, a person of excellent taste!
(DIR) Post #AbDJJtFYYWaVgTPR8S by scooter@linuxrocks.online
2023-10-28T01:38:04Z
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@killyourfm Why thanks you kind sir!
(DIR) Post #AbDLYx191w6LcYyfho by iju@mastodon.social
2023-10-28T02:03:10Z
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@killyourfm Not really surprising.The only reason why Spotify succeeded in getting the contracts with the recording labels in the first place (back when they were still fighting against piracy, and afraid of "devaluing music" by monthly subscriptions) was by giving shares to the record labels. This created an incentive where streaming contracts had record labels on both sides of the negotiating table for royalties -- with artists having no direct representation. ½
(DIR) Post #AbDNszXrXeK3A0xtUu by iju@mastodon.social
2023-10-28T02:24:24Z
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@fluffy @killyourfm This has more to do with the fact that major labels own most of Spotify, so shafting independent labels/artists allows gaining monies from those who didn't sell their business/music to labels directly.It's a bit unfair to blame Spotify-the-company, which has historically (and probably still) doing actually quite badly, as it's just a pipe from consumers to labels, without enjoying from a strong position like Apple with Itunes.https://mastodon.social/@iju/111310182204725068
(DIR) Post #AbDNt0NcRDirkXBEAa by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-28T02:29:15Z
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@iju @fluffy It's worth mentioning here that Spotify is not remotely in Apple's shadow. As of Q2 2022, Spotify owned at least 30% of the overall digital music streaming market, while Apple only has about 14%.
(DIR) Post #AbDOshpXVNnwAmf2ES by iju@mastodon.social
2023-10-28T02:40:23Z
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@killyourfm @fluffy I meant that Apple owns 100% of their streaming service, allowing them to set their rates so as to benefit Apple-the-company and Itunes-the-service (and consequentally not to prioritise big labels over indie-labels/artists).
(DIR) Post #AbDmEOeJnXrq06ixdY by tradjincal@ludosphere.fr
2023-10-28T07:02:01Z
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@killyourfm @tamitha do you know the number of indies compare to other stream services. I tested some years ago but many artists on Bandcamp can be found only on Spotify unfortunately (I tested Deezer and quobuz).
(DIR) Post #AbDrManJ1j5ZksehZw by fluffy@plush.city
2023-10-28T07:59:31Z
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@killyourfm @iju also Apple haven't made any moves to delist/demonetize music that isn't making more than some arbitrary, extremely-punitive threshold
(DIR) Post #AbENImVui29PTekNUm by johnglass@ohai.social
2023-10-28T13:57:21Z
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@killyourfm @tamitha So is Tidal going to a similar model?
(DIR) Post #AbFwsvA5iytmHGT4AC by albituga_@mastodon.social
2023-10-29T08:10:46Z
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@killyourfm I might have to try Tidal after reading this!