Post Ab67FHqP81O2xQxo9Y by Moon@shitposter.club
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(DIR) Post #Ab65xzrUdLFyJDfGL2 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T14:05:31.257699Z
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A surprising number of people on here are tech luddites. People who weren't alive when their precious tiny-footprint software crashed every couple hours and was loaded with security vulnerabilities and before IDEs when you just had to keep everything in your head while you coded or dig through a stack of books.
(DIR) Post #Ab66kpuiPP1De4Saki by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T14:14:24.630715Z
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things use too much storage and too much memory and in some cases too many layers of (bad abstraction) but overall people are ignoring how great everything is now in absolute terms.
(DIR) Post #Ab66pZzV2LXFi2xZ1k by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T14:15:19.754510Z
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@Moon you say luddite like it's a bad thing :smirk:
(DIR) Post #Ab66wwHKZQkIrOoF84 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T14:16:39.472485Z
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@Moon my foundations came from stacks of books that were slightly out of date for the time period and being sold at a discount store for like 10% of their original price.
(DIR) Post #Ab66ycYyqIeuIFro4u by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T14:16:54.508601Z
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incidentally that essay I saw recently suggests if people had expectations of software like games it would be less of a problem but games now take hundreds of gigabytes and they just tell you to buy a new computer if you can't play starfield
(DIR) Post #Ab674C802afE2lu93o by ic3l9@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T14:09:13.136732Z
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@Moon a lot of those people leave the impression that they do not code for a living
(DIR) Post #Ab674DEPwDOLSxumhc by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-10-24T14:17:23.667975Z
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@ic3l9 @Moon i do code for a living and i absolutely despise modern software
(DIR) Post #Ab67FHqP81O2xQxo9Y by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T14:19:56.357008Z
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still things should be way better, I don't know how to fix it
(DIR) Post #Ab67Ybe5jPMtsAPtHk by noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T14:23:21.373708Z
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@Moon we can start by telling game creators to compress their audio. I don't need 9001kbps crystal clear FLACs taking up 200GB on my hard disk when those FLACs are enemy orcs screaming as I chop their limbs off.
(DIR) Post #Ab67uXWfjFWPSzPAXI by ic3l9@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T14:21:27.493676Z
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@newt @Moon the stuff that works or the stuff that doesn't
(DIR) Post #Ab67uYTADmJGOOlshs by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-10-24T14:26:56.768523Z
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@ic3l9 @Moon the stuff that exists but doesn't work properly.The main difference between old and new times is that with old computers most problems were due to missing features and/or software. Today, most of the work I do is due to someone somewhere having fucked up and now some minor stupid component in this giant pile of bloat doesn't work, thus ruining everything.Recently, I stumbled upon an idea in an article, the gist is that layers of complexity are always added, never removed. This is what I hate so much.
(DIR) Post #Ab6AxRjk0d2cF7aywK by pingviini@pleroma.shunderdo.me
2023-10-24T15:01:12.622242Z
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@newt @ic3l9 @Moon > Today, most of the work I do is due to someone somewhere having fucked up> and now some minor stupid component in this giant pile of bloat doesn't work, > thus ruining everything.I feel (hope) that software engineering is approaching a similar turning point like the one the American automotive industry arrived at in the 1970s, when over-engineered, unreliable, gas-guzzling and increasingly impractical offerings eventually stopped being the reference design for the rest of the world to imitate and instead the global competition started to to compete on efficiency.The situation today is a bit different, since American software companies have been given carte blanche to unfairly eliminate competition in pretty much any way they could for the last 20 years, so there aren't really any competitors around who would be in a position to compete. On the other hand, efficiency demands do not just come from users and customers of these companies now, but increasingly from lawmakers as the ongoing bloat starts to show in energy usage that more and more governments world-wide are trying to curb to meet emission reduction goals.It'll get worse before it gets better for a while longer I'm afraid, but I don't think Office 365 is necessarily going to be around forever.
(DIR) Post #Ab6Bn8M9JJWbC4CtdI by pupperipherals@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T15:10:50.562571Z
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@noyoushutthefuckupdad @Moon It would sound more realistic as an orc death scream at lower fidelity, too.
(DIR) Post #Ab6Bs9Qqjp4jyhnXdY by noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T15:11:47.697086Z
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@pupperipherals @Moon
(DIR) Post #Ab6BvFMDAHRrDv6Y40 by takao@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T15:12:22.785070Z
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@noyoushutthefuckupdad @pupperipherals @Moon the orc is right
(DIR) Post #Ab6C2QI0uvVB9lYyno by noyoushutthefuckupdad@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T15:13:39.997614Z
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@takao @Moon @pupperipherals waugh?
(DIR) Post #Ab6XuNokQF0yAGRh1k by guizzy@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T19:18:43.552546Z
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@MoonIt's true, an average 10 year old computer is still more than fine enough except for gaming and high performance work (4k media editing, machine learning, high-end CAD and graphics).In 2010, an average 10 year old computer was probably unusable for anything but email and very low end web browsing.In 2000, an average 10 year old computer was probably a 386 or worse, essentially unusable for any task that someone in 2000 would want to do.In 1990, an average 10 year old computer was a toy micro that would not interface with anything recent, or an Apple II used in education.Of course, part of the obsolescence is due to inefficient software design, but hardware performance increases has out-paced that steadily.
(DIR) Post #Ab6YT99UwJ4mofjC3k by lain@lain.com
2023-10-24T19:22:30.200175Z
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@Moon don’t want to ask impossible questions, but what is “too much “? I remember when I my hard drive died in my first pentium, I had to use a 170mb drive and I had to doublespace it to fit windows 95 and StarCraft on it. Even with 200gb games, this doesn’t happen these days.
(DIR) Post #Ab6YbDtXBszZqF71EW by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T19:26:25.845505Z
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@lain my opinion is that "too much" is an aesthetic, people are offended by a number but it doesn't matter unless you actually run out of space
(DIR) Post #Ab6ZTV0zknNsZpTzXc by guizzy@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T19:36:17.406351Z
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@Moon @lain I ran out of space almost immediately on the 1Tb my gaming computer came with after getting it, through installing my Steam games. Microsoft Flight Simulator and Total War: Warhammer (1-2-3) take up maybe 20% of the usable space each.Another case where that ends up mattering is that Microsoft is shipping the Xbox Series consoles with 512Gb and 1Tb. 512Gb on the Series S means that in practice you cannot fit more than 2 of the bigger games available together at the same time.I do remember though when I was a kid and I wanted to install Wing Commander 2 or Ultima VII with all the fixings, I had to pretty much dedicate the entire drive to it.
(DIR) Post #Ab6ZgX1HbziKYhpdAW by coldacid@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T19:38:38.628552Z
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@guizzy @Moon @lain sure never had this problem of running out of storage on a console back when games came on cartridges, dagnubbit
(DIR) Post #Ab6aISgiAKmA80IPdw by pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb
2023-10-24T19:45:23.707806Z
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@Moon i remember everyone crying when Firefox switched to a multiprocess model but I also remember when a single tab full of javashit could hang your browser ui
(DIR) Post #Ab6bsn12AHAVYKgiem by ic3l9@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T16:06:24.933224Z
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@newt @Moon the idea of "layers of complexity" is bullshit. the layers are what you have to do to deal with the complexity. example: if you manually inline all your vector math, you won't have a less complex 3d engine. but if you just drop OS X support, you're losing lots of complexity.the complexity exists because it is intentionally added, mostly as anticompetitive measures. think the 9000 different backends for pytorch, or the fact that apple boycotts opengl AND vulkan. X vs wayland. chrome vs firefox. whenever you want something that runs on more than one specific stack of vendor-lock-in you need additional effort for consistent abstraction. the complexity does not come from the fact that you are abstracting, it comes from the abstraction needing to cover a thousand different downstream abstractions. that and of course there's loads of open source code written by people who should not be allowed to code, in languages they don't understand.
(DIR) Post #Ab6da2Syh9YtsWwfbs by lain@lain.com
2023-10-24T20:20:53.238595Z
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@guizzy @Moon yeah, i did buy a bigger ssd for my asus whatever steam deck thing, because 512gb was too annoying, but I could still install like 8 games, not one or two like we used to back in the 486 days.
(DIR) Post #Ab6iDFyCp29IrzVY12 by newt@stereophonic.space
2023-10-24T21:13:42.367272Z
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@ic3l9 @Moon yes and no.What I meant by layers is, imagine library A being implemented in terms of library B, which is in turn implemented in terms of library C. Now, when you use a problem that uses A, you also use B and C, and if either of those has a bug, you too will have them. This is pretty evident with graphics toolkits, where for example some ElectronApp uses Electron, which on Linux uses GTK for certain things, etc, but the hidden amount of code is much more vast than just this.I like this article (https://tonsky.me/blog/good-times-weak-men/), where the author explores similar ideas but with MacOS. Because even MacOS isn't immune to this crap, sadly.
(DIR) Post #Ab6kOGszxMswnwS5aK by SunMcNukes@freespeechextremist.com
2023-10-24T21:38:36.334104Z
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@Moon there's a difference between actual programming and putting some bloated and useless frameworks together so that the white collar thieves can have their hero banner flickering in the NPCs screens for clout. The Plandemic thought us that most contemporary software projects can get rid of the bureaucrats.
(DIR) Post #Ab6kbGLXH51stYzkKO by Polychrome@poly.cybre.city
2023-10-24T21:40:50.393182Z
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@lain @Moon @guizzy DOS games were pretty small on the 486, I had a bunch 👀
(DIR) Post #Ab6ktbSbVnGjak2whU by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-10-24T21:44:14.453809Z
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@Polychrome @lain @guizzy cd-rom games were bloat
(DIR) Post #Ab6leuqRG64VK0ktYO by lain@lain.com
2023-10-24T21:41:25.831058Z
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@Polychrome @Moon @guizzy yeah, i could get hugo's house of horror plus 10 breakout clones on it, but not starcraft + half life