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(DIR) Post #Ab3MwUvdGxxvpPalIO by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-22T22:20:14Z
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"A Gloriously Fixable Laptop, Pt. 2"In which I continue my blubbering praise for the Framework laptops ...... observing how folks who've owned an older model can, with trivial ease, put in a whole damn new processor to make it run fasterIn like 15 minutesThis is how *all* laptops should beMy essay: https://clivethompson.medium.com/a-gloriously-fixable-laptop-pt-2-53d7c2fd3fb9A free "friend" link in case you're not a Medium subscriber: https://clivethompson.medium.com/a-gloriously-fixable-laptop-pt-2-53d7c2fd3fb9?sk=f1d5b7714dc00c4c33cd1c57be15b6da
(DIR) Post #Ab3MwZ3ZvMhMdDLAEi by cyberlyra@hachyderm.io
2023-10-22T22:53:36Z
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@clive I know, they’re brilliant, we love ours.
(DIR) Post #Ab3MwbtPNdLVQXbaIi by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-22T23:19:22Z
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@cyberlyra Ah, right on!!
(DIR) Post #Ab3NAl08JOp5jMUq2a by dangillmor@mastodon.social
2023-10-22T22:22:10Z
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@clive I have one of the early ones and have upgraded it a lot. When/if they or someone else makes a keyboard touchpad with physical mouse buttons, I'll use it more than anything else. Great machine and company.
(DIR) Post #Ab3NAu7CQUp5zss6nw by andy@nortrup.social
2023-10-22T23:10:29.637Z
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@clive@saturation.social absolutely getting a @frameworkcomputer@fosstodon.org for my next personal laptop.
(DIR) Post #Ab3NAushZsowND62qW by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-22T23:19:11Z
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@dangillmor So cool!I would love to get one, but am waiting for my existing Linux laptop to die ... which might take some time, lol. It's a 12-year-old Lenovo T420 and those things are built like *tanks*
(DIR) Post #Ab3NB7hptaqy9H73DM by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-22T23:20:38Z
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@andy @frameworkcomputer Me tooi'll wait until my existing Linux laptop dies, then get one
(DIR) Post #Ab3NCjaAYe8fuSIL9E by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-22T23:20:19Z
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@bryan Yeah, agreed -- it helps prove that this model can support not just lower-waste, fixable architecture, but *badass* specs
(DIR) Post #Ab3OuW4kElFGiN2MHg by mason@thames.blisses.org
2023-10-23T02:03:35Z
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T420 here as well, upgraded to have two SSDs and 16G of RAM. It's a lovely machine. That said, I recently got a T480 that has yet to arrive. Evidently it's the last of then ThinkPads with readily replaceable parts.
(DIR) Post #Ab3OuXZcfRXTMQUX3I by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-23T02:30:08Z
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@mason @dangillmor oh, I didn’t know that about the T480 — useful info, thank you!
(DIR) Post #Ab3OxTo77vGuY4ffuK by andy@nortrup.social
2023-10-23T02:12:23.047Z
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@clive@saturation.social @frameworkcomputer@fosstodon.org my problem is I so rarely use a laptop, the purchase is hard to justify. Keep plugging with my aging surface.
(DIR) Post #Ab3OxZvQNegVWU8b8S by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-23T02:28:35Z
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@andy @frameworkcomputer Yeah, i’m the same way — I like to keep my hardware going for a long as it can possibly withstand, until it literally falls apart or bricks beneath my fingertips lol
(DIR) Post #Ab3PKwVeZw2aEADydc by gatesvp@mstdn.ca
2023-10-22T23:46:47Z
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@cliveRemember in the '90s and early 2000s when everyone kind of had a "Computer person"? And both AMD and Intel were vociferously competing for that computer person because they knew that it would subsequently sell computers to regular people.I feel like all of those "computer people" I know are now pointing at the Framework and going "use this". And I hope, for everyone, that it happens, because we need these standards.
(DIR) Post #Ab3Pgi6qnYLZwB0EPA by notveryhandsome@techhub.social
2023-10-23T07:01:38Z
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@clive I love the line you wrote:"We started off upgrading a machine — and wound up upgrading ourselves.”
(DIR) Post #Ab3Pw5G118vy4ZcVV2 by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-22T23:52:34Z
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@gatesvp Yeah, good parallelAnd I hope it happens too -- god, if we could get standardized guts for laptops, the amount of ewaste would plummet and the value achievable in a laptop would skyrocket
(DIR) Post #Ab3QAcGt4JzQWBxQRs by JoaoTeixeira@mastodon.social
2023-10-22T23:55:47Z
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@clive Framework’s frivolous upgrade ability might turn less cost-effective and certainly generate equal or more e-waste. I still use a MacBook Air from 2012 and a MacBook Pro from 2016. Not confident the Lego-style Framework platform will age that well.
(DIR) Post #Ab3QlynaH8Gr6H4ExE by hehemrin@social.librem.one
2023-10-23T00:00:29Z
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@clive Interesting company, but not yet available here in Sweden.
(DIR) Post #Ab3R0lC38s71FPYiGG by hehemrin@social.librem.one
2023-10-23T00:04:47Z
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@clive @dangillmor T420, I suppose even more robust than my T430s! It’s not my daily, it’s experimental to explore Linux mostly. Keyboard is very nice. And I like eg how easy it is to change SSD on it.
(DIR) Post #Ab3R0mWeBmBNNaCg0O by hehemrin@social.librem.one
2023-10-23T00:07:57Z
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@clive @dangillmor (like I wrote here: https://hemrin.com/business-blog/modularity )
(DIR) Post #Ab3WDaZUReQPq7SY4m by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-23T01:04:16Z
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@JoaoTeixeira Possible, yes! But from what I’ve heard the components and build quality are very solid
(DIR) Post #Ab3WJHwkbXmHoU3bqC by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-23T01:02:57Z
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@hehemrin @dangillmor Yep — I put an SSD in mine too. It took like 5 minutes! And yes, the keyboards on those old beasts are magnificent
(DIR) Post #Ab3kwt7hiOmblaxPmq by mainvision@mastodon.social
2023-10-23T10:59:49Z
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@clive sounds like the European Union right to repair https://repair.eu/
(DIR) Post #Ab3mEmLRktlHuWTpM8 by mason@thames.blisses.org
2023-10-23T02:57:07Z
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There are a number of videos of this sort, but this presents a nice summary of why it's an interesting model:https://yewtu.be/watch?v=O0X3m0rs8EEHunting around, it's possible to do better than the price he notes.
(DIR) Post #Ab3mEnMXyIEh4E0Di4 by mason@thames.blisses.org
2023-10-23T03:26:51Z
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Hm, and I just watched this one which highlights a couple issues - power connectors soldered onto the mainboard and an issue with firmware that could render the laptop unable to be charged! Woot. https://yewtu.be/watch?v=A15FfeJq6pQ
(DIR) Post #Ab3mEoEmidcZmRNXFY by jsae@mastodon.social
2023-10-23T05:59:52Z
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@mason @dangillmor @clive I appreciate these insights. What do you think about the MNT Reform's pointer and keys? I'm unable to choose between a Framework and a Reform, while also using a T420 for daily personal use.
(DIR) Post #Ab3mEpRaEXS9WQNGq0 by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-23T11:14:18Z
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@dangillmor @jsae @mason I’m embarrassed to say I’d never heard of the Reform — it looks incredibly cool! A laptop with a trackpad …. I *love* that option!
(DIR) Post #Ab3mKzjsrx4NBnsHOi by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-23T11:14:42Z
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@mainvision Yes!
(DIR) Post #Ab3mQCvlFbUVYAupFo by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-23T11:14:51Z
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@notveryhandsome 🤘🏻🤖
(DIR) Post #Ab3taVEekRxMtdbs36 by cameronbosch@fosstodon.org
2023-10-23T12:36:40Z
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@clive @dangillmor The funny thing is I recently got a T25 (T470 but with the classic 7 row ThinkPad keyboard) and I love it for basic work, but the GPUs are really showing their age and the dual core CPU isn't helping!For people who don't do heavy things, it's no big deal and typing is a joy, but yeah, for somebody who sometimes games or does GPU heavy work like me, it's not ideal.(The guy who sold it to me, he had a very rare 1 in 100 rare trackpoint memento. I now am the owner of it.)
(DIR) Post #Ab3yxrYoPSdwZFznu4 by dangillmor@mastodon.social
2023-10-23T13:36:53Z
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@clive ThinkPads have been my choice pretty much since they came out, with the exception of a period when I was using Apple laptops, until that company's control-freakery moved me to Linux (about 2008). Lots of Linux people use ThinkPads so, as you know, they're well supported.
(DIR) Post #Ab43Tc8zf95Pq0JbFY by Thad@brontosin.space
2023-10-23T14:27:15Z
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@clive I think their 13" Ryzen is going to be my next laptop. Have to save up for a bit first, though.
(DIR) Post #Ab43aLw0KN43alS82K by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-23T14:27:19Z
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@dangillmor Yep yep — that’s why I bought the T420 years ago, when I wanted to get a portable linux machineAll the FOSS forums highly recommended ThinkPads
(DIR) Post #Ab43ghIFpRNNZZswmO by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-23T14:27:51Z
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@Thad Yeah, they’re not cheap!
(DIR) Post #Ab4494LbhwE1BLyxiS by wesley@theatl.social
2023-10-23T14:34:52Z
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@clive if I ever need a personal laptop again I'm definitely getting one of these.
(DIR) Post #Ab44EvWTQlbbYArGYC by jumbanho@mas.to
2023-10-23T14:35:05Z
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@clive@dangillmor My employer let us keep our Thinkpads when we got new ones, so I have 3 spaced out plus my personal Thinkpad that I bought that has a good graphics card (I can't remember all the models). I still use the old ones for loaners and miscellaneous stuff. I'll probably never buy another laptop.
(DIR) Post #Ab49Quc38ijNyQ06Ii by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-23T15:34:09Z
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@wesley 🤘🏻🤖
(DIR) Post #Ab49Yr4QC5lPIt3hpY by mason@thames.blisses.org
2023-10-23T14:26:09Z
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As with Clive, I've not heard of the Reform. I''m reading about it now. That said, I'd counsel thinking hard about the carbon footprint cost of even an ethical new laptop versus buying a used one, where the carbon footprint will be comparitive power usage and comparitive shipping. That said, nothing's ever simple - if we want companies to build more ethically and sustainably, they need to sell something to continue as viable businesses.
(DIR) Post #Ab49YrxisU024Ovs1o by clive@saturation.social
2023-10-23T15:34:39Z
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@jsae @dangillmor @mason Very well put
(DIR) Post #Ab4WhuqdodXCZWu22S by jbzfn@mastodon.social
2023-10-23T19:54:54Z
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@clive Still trying with LG 13", a good machine, but under Linux the backlit keyboard didn't work.Once its battery dies for good I'll try the Framework, and used this LG as a media center.
(DIR) Post #AbVm2x7NkaARUTVBCK by resuna@ohai.social
2023-11-05T23:24:01Z
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@clive @dangillmor My t61p refuses to die. It’s got a shonky hinge but it’s not terminal yet.
(DIR) Post #AbW73HOCTqIBOkMjUO by clive@saturation.social
2023-11-06T03:19:26Z
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@resuna @dangillmor Nice!I'm writing a blog post now in praise of my old T420My six-year-old Macbook Pro just died (battery-monitoring chip fried, and it's part of the motherboard, so it'd need an entire new motherboard, and parts + labor is making it such a mess that I will probably just get a new Macbook pro and try to coax 6-7 years out of that one) ...... and in the interim I've been using the thinkpad full-timeIt's so damn good
(DIR) Post #AbW79ZZhmPE5XMkQZE by clive@saturation.social
2023-11-06T03:19:59Z
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@resuna @dangillmor If i didn't need Logic Pro for music editing, Scrivener for writing, and a high-resolution screen, I'd just use this laptop as my main device until the sun burned out