Post Ab2D2f6mHV9vNhO20e by theprivacydad@social.linux.pizza
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(DIR) Post #Aayz6BRQXhhZhFwzGi by theprivacydad@social.linux.pizza
2023-10-21T00:18:42Z
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@thenewoil, Great to read your response to 'Why My Friend Quit Tutanota'! I have read part 1 and see your point. I went to the @Tutanota FAQ link - General Questions and copied the first two items, and highlighted all the words and phrases that I know will disrupt my friend's reading comprehension. I have also highlighted all repeats in an attempt to emulate the effect on such a reader.I once tried a beginner's book about Economics and soon felt stupid and discouraged by stacked jargon.
(DIR) Post #Aayz6CIxKgWINGzjhg by thenewoil@freeradical.zone
2023-10-21T03:45:39Z
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@theprivacydad @Tutanota While some of these are fair (like U2F/TOTP), I would argue that most of these fall under the bit about "the rising standard of tech literacy." We no longer live in a world where it's acceptable not to know what 2FA or a domain is, even if you don't quite understand how to set one up. Alias emailing is a bit more niche, but is also something I believe people should learn about to help protect their privacy.
(DIR) Post #AayzHCkW1JnUwF8NLU by thenewoil@freeradical.zone
2023-10-21T03:47:40Z
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@theprivacydad @Tutanota By the same token, though, for the record, I don't think it's Tutanota's responsibility to explain every little thing - like 2FA - to users. That would fall into the second blog post, specifically the part about education. People like myself need to work harder to help make that new standard of tech literacy more accessible and help educate users and raise them up to that standard.Ideally speaking, of course.
(DIR) Post #AazIIaN3ZyqTcOX8eu by theprivacydad@social.linux.pizza
2023-10-21T07:20:46Z
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@thenewoil @Tutanota It would be interesting to see survey statistics on this for a given country. My gut tells me a very low percentage will know what 2FA is. I agree about education, but the gap that exists today is very wide, and that's what puts people like my friend off.
(DIR) Post #AazVunS6gpzWb8Rjma by happyborg@fosstodon.org
2023-10-21T09:53:22Z
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@thenewoil If privacy or security depends on people learning stuff we've failed. 🤷♂️ @theprivacydad @Tutanota
(DIR) Post #Ab26o9opDdP4Yjgpd2 by thenewoil@freeradical.zone
2023-10-22T15:56:13Z
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@theprivacydad @Tutanota I agree the gap is wide, and more education is needed. But IMO that doesn't excuse that it's up to the end-users to become educated. Nobody is born knowing how to read, yet we as a society make an effort to bring everyone up to that level.Have you, by chance, read the blog post I referenced/linked? I think my argument would make more sense if you have, I went into a lot more detail there.
(DIR) Post #Ab26tUalPbpWQyemAK by thenewoil@freeradical.zone
2023-10-22T15:57:08Z
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@happyborg @theprivacydad @Tutanota Failure implies that the situation is done evolving and there's nothing we can do to change it. See here: https://blog.thenewoil.org/the-rising-standard-of-tech-literacy
(DIR) Post #Ab2AzzeDGDC8J0cpiS by happyborg@fosstodon.org
2023-10-22T16:43:06Z
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@thenewoil Failure here means that relying on people learning will *never* solve this problem. Gains will always be marginal even for those who understand - my knowledge doesn't protect me.There's nothing wrong with helping people learn, but it will never be an effective way to deliver privacy and security, even for those who have learned. That requires baking those qualities into the technology and working to make it ubiquitous.Not easy, but much more effective.@theprivacydad @Tutanota
(DIR) Post #Ab2D2f6mHV9vNhO20e by theprivacydad@social.linux.pizza
2023-10-22T17:05:59Z
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@thenewoil @Tutanota I agree (https://theprivacydad.com/an-argument-for-using-schools-in-the-fight-for-digital-privacy/) but reading is taught mandatorily and systematically from ages 5 to 16/18. I've been an LA teacher most of my life, and know how challenging it is to raise writing and literacy skills even with say 5 hours of mandatory lessons in every year of school per week! IT has 0 mandatory hours.For education to be effective, it has to be legally and systematically implemented. I'll publish a response to your part 1 response post :) tomorrow.
(DIR) Post #Ab3Pcxj4nJTnDG5y8e by thenewoil@freeradical.zone
2023-10-22T22:25:26Z
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@happyborg @theprivacydad @Tutanota Oh of course. I'm not one of those people who says that legislation is useless or dismisses the value of technologies that FORCE compliance (like E2EE). In fact, I frequently criticize those people. But the reality is that laws and tech alone will never save us, and there will always be edge cases, and users need to know what they do and don't need. Everyone has to do their part to make progress a reality.
(DIR) Post #Ab3QsIvcLZcHGhqBto by thenewoil@freeradical.zone
2023-10-22T22:27:04Z
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@theprivacydad @Tutanota "For education to be effective, it has to be legally and systematically implemented." I'm 100% down for that. I would love to see a GOOD class taught in skills about basic cybersecurity and tech literacy - avoiding scams, knowing what encryption is, how network communication works, etc. God that's my dream. I agree with you 1000%. Even if we did TNO and TPD full time, people like you and I can only do so much. Perhaps I should've mentioned that in my blog post.
(DIR) Post #Ab3S8ZnFVjUSA6FX7Y by theprivacydad@social.linux.pizza
2023-10-23T07:29:54Z
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@thenewoil @Tutanota It would be interesting to find out if there are any schools internationally that teach a class like that as part of the core curriculum. The latest Firewalls Don't Stop Dragons podcast interview with the CEO of Proton shows how much Proton lobbies for privacy behind the scenes.