Post Ab1PqBdL99TAjo2TwG by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
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(DIR) Post #Ab1OBxoszEmCMEhD04 by silvereagle@furry.engineer
2023-10-22T05:11:31Z
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Reading through this thread and it certainly looks like someone either just got shitcanned from Tusky, or is about to be, for having leveled some very justified (and honestly, very benign) criticism of TheBadSpace blocklist.I get flak for saying it, but there really is an ideological "cult" surrounding this project and the folks immediately running and supporting it. Any criticism of it, valid as it may be, is seen as bigotry, and since anything labeled "bigoted" is (often rightfully, but in this case, far too zealously) exterminate-on-sight in the Mastodon universe, it's far too easy to just designate the next target arbitrarily.Folks are uninstalling apps, defederating from each other, ripping thousands of connections apart, calling each other heinous horrible things, all because we have differing opinions about how best to keep the Fediverse a safe and inclusive place.I really think this is all getting out of hand.
(DIR) Post #Ab1OBzEniN6GktpQ24 by silvereagle@furry.engineer
2023-10-22T05:19:34Z
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The responses definitely seem to spell out an ultimatum that some people refuse to work with anyone who criticizes the BadSpace blocklist: :ew: thanks for letting us know, I’m going to have to say something because I have been helping Ro and that’s how people feel about it then I don’t wanna work with themthank you so much for bringing it up, some of us made our stance clear and we are waiting for the rest to reactI want to drive the point home that the "receipts" here are SO benign: they say "innocent users are going to get caught in the drama" (they are, and have), and they boost someone saying blocklists are in general a case of good intentions poorly executed (they are).None of this is, in any fucking way, racism or bigotry. This is a wholly uncontroversial take.But it disagrees with the cult, so they must go:I can hardly imagine someone from our team not supporting RoThat's fucked, right?
(DIR) Post #Ab1P1kRVy109vbSNs0 by yassie_j@0w0.is
2023-10-22T07:37:25.707834Z
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Reminder that disagreeing with The Bad Space for any reason for anything at all, no matter how mild, is now a reason to lose your fucking job???Defederation wasn’t enough. Slander and libel wasn’t enough. Spreading lies wasn’t enough. No, if you work for a fediverse project, then you must pay with your livelihood.
(DIR) Post #Ab1P1lAXGd0wBEWL2m by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-10-22T07:45:38.434Z
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@yassie_j@0w0.is I'm proud to say I'm personally targeted by these people lmao. Any instance I'm an admin on gets put on a blocklist. :lain_smug3:
(DIR) Post #Ab1PEqBztv47WcRSPw by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-10-22T07:48:01.487Z
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@yassie_j@0w0.is @silvereagle@furry.engineerLiving rent free in their heads. I'm the worst actor of them all.
(DIR) Post #Ab1PShyFGZ3u50ccNc by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-10-22T07:50:32.081Z
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@yassie_j@0w0.is @silvereagle@furry.engineer Also shit like this is the reason why you don't associate your online profiles with your real credentials. Though they couldn't get me fired even if they knew mine lol, employers in my country don't care about such things.
(DIR) Post #Ab1Pigbq5yySUUlDXc by yassie_j@0w0.is
2023-10-22T07:46:17.484911Z
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Like, this is insane. If Tusky was a formal employer (in Europe) this would be illegal. You cannot fire someone for a) what they do in their spare time and b) mildly disagreeing with you.There is an actual, legitimate, do-no-wrong cult around Ro and TBS folks, to the point where saying things like “I wish all the conversation about this would quieten down” is seen as being anti-Ro.This person criticised nobody, this person didn’t even do anything beyond boost a pretty normal post, and now they are out of a job.How is that justifiable?
(DIR) Post #Ab1PihdeGk11gOcB04 by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-10-22T07:53:24.253Z
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@yassie_j@0w0.is Tusky devs are brainrotten shitlibs :INTJ_Stare:
(DIR) Post #Ab1PiieOVSCqozyHnk by yassie_j@0w0.is
2023-10-22T07:47:36.297987Z
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(To be clear, you can fire someone for those things, but they wouldn’t be justifiable reasons to fire someone and thus your worker would be entitled to a fat wad of compensation)
(DIR) Post #Ab1PmkLEA5Q7DwvVdQ by olmitch@shitposter.club
2023-10-22T07:54:09.334342Z
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@dushman @yassie_j husky has been around for a long time now cmon man
(DIR) Post #Ab1PqBdL99TAjo2TwG by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-10-22T07:54:43.810Z
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@yassie_j@0w0.is @silvereagle@furry.engineer Well this is just them being fired from contributing to Tusky so not nearly as bad as losing your actual job at least
(DIR) Post #Ab1Q4KBKA59pIsfzWq by yassie_j@0w0.is
2023-10-22T07:55:37.176756Z
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@dushman @silvereagle yeah, it’s not TOTALLY bad (hence why I said it was probably an informal arrangement) but it’s obviously pretty awful to cut someone off like that
(DIR) Post #Ab1Q909E4fnAcLvPWK by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-10-22T07:58:10.107Z
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@yassie_j@0w0.is @silvereagle@furry.engineer I'd rally some people, fork it and continue development without those idiots if I was that person.
(DIR) Post #Ab1QDcZLAQcKwALIvo by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-10-22T07:59:00.201Z
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@yassie_j@0w0.is @silvereagle@furry.engineer That or join an existing fork or another project
(DIR) Post #Ab1QMJ2h8Tlgz0DLNY by silvereagle@furry.engineer
2023-10-22T07:59:25Z
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@dushman @yassie_j Tusky was called out a few weeks back for donating some of their OpenCollective money to a developer who didn't actually deliver anything, and the resulting fallout from that was a "spite fork" being created. I'd imagine if they're doing ideological purges of their staff, not because of abject racism or bigotry but because they call out the wrong influential people, that spite fork will get even more life.
(DIR) Post #Ab1QNRAaP7foTkRdOi by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-10-22T08:00:47.197Z
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@silvereagle@furry.engineer @yassie_j@0w0.is Do you mean Husky or another one?
(DIR) Post #Ab1RF9lbK9uS8rNDPc by maryr47@den.raccoon.quest
2023-10-22T08:03:10.272Z
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@silvereagle@furry.engineer @dushman@den.raccoon.quest @yassie_j@0w0.is Hopefully I never installed Tusky, so my only message to them is "rest in piss"
(DIR) Post #Ab1dwLiFz2uD5tAhAe by erica@chaosfem.tw
2023-10-22T10:24:11Z
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@yassie_j
(DIR) Post #Ab2Ej5ee4azHpV1UcC by raccoon@den.raccoon.quest
2023-10-22T17:24:56.079Z
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@silvereagle@furry.engineer Hopefully it's going to collapse on itself and the clowns will run away from that deflating big top in tiny cars.Either way, thankfully I think my connections are not related to that circus.
(DIR) Post #Ab2HK1zYqyTH5pY5Vg by kitsuneofinari@packmates.org
2023-10-22T07:34:02Z
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@silvereagle it does not matter if the project is good or bad. It's not about that at all. The project is about control and who controls the Fediverse.It's, divide and conquer. Or as the old Microsoft term, "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish."They set the rules, anyone or any instance that argues against it, or any instance that gives any form of slight against them, will have you and your instance added to their massive controlled Blocklist.It is using fear to control the smaller instances in the fediverse and they want smaller instances to fear and cow tow to them or face the Blocklist.
(DIR) Post #Ab2HPLoIb3Xi0Sokls by Neybulot@pawb.fun
2023-10-22T07:26:38Z
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@silvereagle This is giving me psyop vibes in an effort to kill the fediverse
(DIR) Post #Ab2HPo9BF0sntKnpCq by silvereagle@furry.engineer
2023-10-22T07:57:27Z
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@Neybulot A lotta people have seen Ro's absurd claims and behavior as of late and concluded that it just must be some sort of grift or right-wing troll or psyop or something, but I really don't buy those theories.I think the honest-to-god truth here is just that Ro is a vindictive asshole with his heart in the right place and his rhetoric in absolutely the wrong place.He enjoys a position of rather significant influence in a big group on the Fediverse, and while some would use that platform to make the place better (and some of his projects have that as their stated purpose), he's not above using that influence to burn anyone who crosses him. And he does, often.And his audience eats it up reliably, because he knows exactly what social-justice keywords to slip in to turn "a person who called out my bullshit" into "a bigoted danger to the community". He's discovered this tactic works reliably 100% of the time, so he uses it 100% of the time.
(DIR) Post #Ab2HSpqDOnQ20xNKkK by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-22T17:55:21.085359Z
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@dushman @yassie_j @silvereagle husky
(DIR) Post #Ab2HsU7CnXlAA5YLya by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-10-22T18:00:16.505840Z
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@kitsuneofinari @silvereagle Self-solving problem tbh
(DIR) Post #Ab2HxvW0LwpuaakPuy by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-10-22T18:01:15.512289Z
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@silvereagle Just say nigger and you'll be free.
(DIR) Post #Ab2Hziw45wdW9YnIRs by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-10-22T18:01:34.495760Z
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@kitsuneofinari @silvereagle >they want smaller instances to fear and cow tow to them or face the BlocklistThis is more or less how it is. Just about everyone on fedi has to kowtow to the larger group culture in some fashion. You basically have to:1) Absolutely never say anything that could be construed as racist, ever.2) Say "nigger" as one of your first posts.3) List fetishes4) Be an actual pedophileor you're gonna get walled off.
(DIR) Post #Ab2IU7lcKvJTr1P4Mq by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-22T18:06:53.866432Z
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@kitsuneofinari @silvereagle the purity test death spiral is induced by extreme and polarizing stances on charged topics with hardline enforcement based on decisions made from a reference frame with a culturally enforced confirmation bias mandating an explicit opposition to the concept of due process. there justice cannot be blind as all of the accused who are not pure enough are guilty until proven innocent and their retarded standards rip the social fabric of their community apart but they say that's okay because they say you just need to be stricter with enforcement and better at finding the impure.
(DIR) Post #Ab2IYLR7SKanPJpOnA by kirby@lab.nyanide.com
2023-10-22T18:07:46.148540Z
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@silvereagle have fun :)
(DIR) Post #Ab2K9ggJWvJhxzJ03k by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-22T18:25:33.370780Z
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@zorinlynx @silvereagle this angst powering that hatred sent towards efforts like the bad space (which is by no means an original idea on fedi) has been there since mastodon joined fedi and their initial wave of users came in from the cesspool of angst fueled social terrorism that was tumblr. it was left to fester and congeal as their rule remained unchallenged by those who took them seriously.
(DIR) Post #Ab2L4qfp3IhrSkKeK8 by silvereagle@furry.engineer
2023-10-22T17:16:57Z
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Overnight, as things in Tusky bubbled up to the surface, I got a lot of criticism (and a whole lotta reports) about this post.A lotta folks took issue with my usage of the word "Fired" originally. I've since corrected that, since Tusky is built by volunteers (though they do, as discussed in earlier controversies, have an OpenCollective that pays out to their contributors). I still don't know if there's a better single word for someone losing a position like that, but I corrected it anyway.Folks have also pointed out that one of the folks in this thread also resigned, though in their parting message they still refer to the ongoing discussion as "anti-Blackness" and BIPOC "erasure", when in fact those things were never done by anyone involved in the process at all, especially not publicly.Criticism and skepticism are not racism, and cannot be considered sacrosanct. Full stop.
(DIR) Post #Ab2L4rPuHxZNlftS9g by silvereagle@furry.engineer
2023-10-22T17:52:58Z
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Even more folks are saying I'm just outright wrong by reading between the lines in this situation and referring to it as someone being "forced out" of the organization.So, let me spell it out for you.Someone makes a thread alerting a bunch of high-ranking folks in Tusky that their community manager has criticized TBS.Their response is one of aghast horror that someone on their team wouldn't support TBS/Ro, claims that they'd never work with someone who was like that, and claims that they'll take care of it internally.Less than a day later, the community manager quits, issuing a stern apology.As an outsider, this one isn't hard for me to follow. Couch it in whatever language you want, but it's quite clear a bunch of people internally issued ultimatums that ultimately forced someone out for what were, in my opinion, entirely benign and justified doubts about the nature of TBS and blocklists at large.
(DIR) Post #Ab2L4sNohDUYlTvIXI by ConnyDuck@chaos.social
2023-10-22T18:07:50Z
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@silvereagle This is pure bullshit. Just stop already.
(DIR) Post #Ab2L4tS6ikWC54wErY by silvereagle@furry.engineer
2023-10-22T18:10:34Z
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@ConnyDuck I eagerly await Tusky correcting the record on here in a way that isn't just replying to me and telling me I'm "full of shit" or "fucking lying" because it would be awfully handy for us outsiders looking at this situation and piecing it together from what we can see if you gave us more information than just that.
(DIR) Post #Ab2L4uB81MWyKi0C2K by mcc@mastodon.social
2023-10-22T18:27:10Z
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@silvereagle @ConnyDuck Conny and I are both members of the tusky team. What we are telling you, right now, is what you are saying is bullshit.It's not reasonable to make things up and then, when called out on it, demand people engage on your terms. Right now it looks like if you're given information you weaponize it and repost it out of context. That makes me not feel like giving you, personally, information.
(DIR) Post #Ab2L4uzT0CnSqpYOUy by silvereagle@furry.engineer
2023-10-22T18:33:18Z
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@mcc @ConnyDuck What I'm linking are public posts that paint a pretty obvious picture that's rather hard to draw much of any other conclusion from.Are you sincerely telling me that the following things didn't happen:A thread from someone saying they uninstalled Tusky over the community manager's anti-TBS stance alerted Tusky senior staff of this "problematic" behavior on the community manager's part;Those senior staff said, publicly, that they'd never work with anyone who didn't support Ro and that it was against what the project stands for to do soThey went into the Matrix chat or whatever and said something, at which pointThe community manager quit and apologized profusely.I get that you have a vested personal interest in not getting folks mad at Tusky, and part of that involves getting out and controlling narratives, but just yelling "you're full of shit!" at me is about the worst way to go about it.
(DIR) Post #Ab2L4v6uYWkfDv2L6O by mcc@mastodon.social
2023-10-22T18:30:53Z
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@silvereagle Like, the first time I criticized your post, you edited it to ADD misinformation.
(DIR) Post #Ab2LKxpGECqQHJQnEO by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-22T18:38:52.715303Z
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@silvereagle @mcc @ConnyDuck you are being deemed a sinner guilty of daring to question the impartiality and fairness of those people in a position of authority over who needs to be blocked on the fediverse, by those who assert that authority.
(DIR) Post #Ab3eVfKeHbvrRyeFWa by gretared@sfba.social
2023-10-23T02:00:31Z
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@jeff @silvereagle @kitsuneofinari nice use of a slur, and purity as a reference point. Are we saying life is easier for POC because of political correctness because this whole thread smells of that logic.
(DIR) Post #Ab3eVgOaKSfukTUuIa by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-23T09:48:20.709663Z
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@gretared @silvereagle @kitsuneofinari the fact you only thing you bother to take issue with in the post is the one impure word is a perfect proof of my point. gm fedi
(DIR) Post #Ab3k17dlaC4HzkPRSK by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-10-23T10:50:14.512377Z
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@mcc @ConnyDuck @silvereagle 🍿
(DIR) Post #Ab3kB2ImHnhYKkJrcm by Maholmire@shitpost.cloud
2023-10-23T10:52:03.898167Z
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Nobody will tell me what Tusk is. 😭
(DIR) Post #Ab3lFHxu5luE1c9CQC by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-23T11:03:48.083821Z
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@gretared @kitsuneofinari @silvereagle given the over arching context i cant say giving the amount of charity to your claim is wise as if you are a genuine believer that bad words harm bad enough to do all this and you ignored the entirety of that post minus the bad word you are either dishonest or too fargone to be granted any authority.
(DIR) Post #Ab3ljgQlh6R0ai8qye by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-23T11:09:20.360095Z
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@gretared @kitsuneofinari i think @silvereagle should look at all the shit these guys did to @r000t that is just the tip of the iceberg
(DIR) Post #Ab3m4IenHP1EwIX6Gm by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-23T11:13:05.289164Z
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@gretared @kitsuneofinari @r000t also @silvereagle i'm on your side here, they need to clarify intent, don't let them guilt you into backing off you need to stand up here they are actively bullying people into silence under claims they make the network safer and they aren't they are doing the exact opposite. they're exploiting your confirmation biad and good will, they will do anything to be the authority here.someone get this to him, thnx.
(DIR) Post #Ab3nGHvNvco064ZcSu by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-23T11:26:26.916046Z
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@erica @yassie_j this is because it's super easy to be othered by the fediblock guys,one miss step and you're with the baddies, and they are more vicious than the white nationalists they pretend they are protecting everyone from.they'd act like this guy if they ever had to face those right wingnuts irlhttps://www.theblaze.com/news/antifa-commander-cried-fetal-position
(DIR) Post #Ab3ngyOedmzpLozLii by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-23T11:31:16.009320Z
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@gretared @kitsuneofinari @r000t @silvereagle this conflict runs deep and there is a huge amount of animus for the whole thing, if there was a less intense leadership none of this would've gotten this bad.
(DIR) Post #Ab3nmythgwrudqNOlM by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-23T11:32:23.508335Z
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@erica @yassie_j a related thread https://misinformation.wikileaks2.org/notice/Ab3m3HRp0igX4fhRuC
(DIR) Post #Ab4FqWeDSmFctwbvEW by r000t@ligma.pro
2023-10-23T16:46:45Z
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@jeffI think if someone can get fired because they said "Hey I kinda sorta don't like the way $person is behaving".... $person probably isn't oppressed in any meaningful way. Being immune from criticism is the opposite of being oppressed. @silvereagle @kitsuneofinari @gretared
(DIR) Post #Ab4SFY4KW0APzyWVwO by phoenix@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2023-10-23T19:05:53.332351Z
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@jeff @silvereagle @kitsuneofinari @gretared that's why they like shitholes like bluesky. it's always been about control.