Post AauJSDe03mWmByog2C by mhoye@mastodon.social
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 (DIR) Post #Aas9mOzsAlJhKu733o by jbowen@mast.hpc.social
       2023-10-17T20:42:23Z
       
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       @megmac @mcc Are you serious? That's absurd.
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKEyicxFdmyehIu by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T19:57:14Z
       
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       I've been told people on this website enjoy me trying to think through computer problems out loud while in incredible pain, so good news: I'm taking my new Thinkpad T14 (https://mastodon.social/@mcc/111218408629532857) out of the box and I'm going to install Linux on it first thing. So expect a LOT of complaining.
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKFnPaTniKCNBJo by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T19:58:44Z
       
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       Right off the bat, taking it out of the box and turning it on, it won't boot. Just a black screen. It was supposed to come with Windows 10. Thinking of all the people who told me my awful experience with a Yoga around 2015 was anamolous and Lenovo now makes very reliable hardware now.I know the screen must be okay because if I repeatedly reboot it it sometimes shows a Lenovo logo and says "to interrupt normal startup press enter". Then back to black screen.
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKGju50aZFbjtUO by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T20:13:34Z
       
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       After a number of reboots checking out the "other than normal" boot process and right before I was about to run Windows Recovery, Windows 10 finally booted. Thoughtfully, Lenovo preinstalled Win10 and included a Win11 license in the box, as if they realized I am avoiding Win11 at all costs. I claimed not to have Internet to avoid linking to an MS account, which still works, for now, although weirdly it will NOT let you hoot unless you pick 3 security questions, ONLY from this list.
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKHV3FiIpbpnXyi by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T20:18:49Z
       
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       Fuck you
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKIEmVgsltfC4G0 by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T20:32:11Z
       
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       HOW DID YOU DO?Andi's mystery USB sticks census:UB: Windows could not read; presumably UbuntuCZ: ClonezillaG: gparted (gimmie)ISO: This one was memtest86. I'm not sure how I expected to guess that. I'm assuming it contained something different until I needed to install memtest86 in a hurry.
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKIsU84dpsnlm8u by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T20:36:07Z
       
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       Is it surprising to see this box on the Ubuntu download page?
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKJeLG8vGHE9zjk by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T20:38:45Z
       
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       If at any point in this thread you find yourself wondering why I'm installing Linux when I seem to hate it so much, here's my answer https://social.treehouse.systems/@megmac/111252230465871613
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKKVW4RSOw92ScS by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T20:39:56Z
       
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       (And if at any point you wonder "why not use a Mac"?: This, incidents like this, over and over, literal dozens of times, over a period of 15 years https://xoxo.zone/@mathowie/111229500871588422)
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKLDpPgu19Zlqgi by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T21:14:53Z
       
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       Okay so I am now using Windows to burn the Ubuntu USB key that will erase it, a little like ordering a man to build the scaffold of his own hanging. I believe the Lenovo support page claims 20.04 LTE is the supported one on this laptop, and I'm installing 22.04 LTE, so this is the first example of LIVING ON THE EDGE that's going to get me in trouble!!
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKLycbiKhUhfDcm by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T21:17:10Z
       
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       I dawdled a bit because I thought I'd do some quick tasks in Windows before wiping it:- Copy some large files from an SD card to an SMB server. I ultimately was not able to do this. SMB kept erroring out on Windows.- Test the touchpad, so if Linux felt bad I'd have a basis for comparison. I was not able to do this. I couldn't find certain basic touchpad settings and ultimately have up.- Listen to a song, again for comparison. I was not able to do this. The sound in Windows was not working.
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKQVjkXCNYZBinQ by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T21:19:41Z
       
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       It's possible the sound (and some of the touchpad oddities?) are due to needing a reboot, which Windows keeps insisting it needs to enable support for hardware. But I can't do this right now because I'm burning a USB key.Interestingly, the sound outage is accompanied by a toolbar icon showing sound is out. If I click it, rather than doing something useful like display an error message, it brings up a window with a "live agent". To what end? Unclear.
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKRGAxsLTsauoBE by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T21:21:57Z
       
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       At the least, this is fortifying me against the upcoming feeling, when there's something basic I can't get working in four or five hours, of "damn, if I was using Windows, this would just work!"
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKZ5TrWXm9jyNcW by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T21:24:44Z
       
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       Sure, okay Windows. Go ahead and install your update. Enjoy your last delicious cigarette.
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKkA8gXo2VNEkuO by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T21:28:59Z
       
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       Oh, good. It's "flashing" the "embedded controller". That's probably good. I mean. Probably? Probably that's good? I still have not left Windows land
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKnTONPzOlxGfpo by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T21:36:34Z
       
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       After allowing Windows its reboot and update, sound started working. Actually these are pretty good speakers.Also, just to remind me what I'm leaving behind, that one single software update I allowed Windows caused it to add a weather widget I did *not* ask for to the corner. Fascinating I selected *every* privacy option, but it still thought it was ok to add something that clearly periodically contacts a web service without asking me first
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKrZD9j1LTA1NSa by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T21:39:49Z
       
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       (Also if I type, say, "XClarity" into the Start menu to see if I have XClarity installed, it does a Bing search. But THAT I expected, however much I dislike it, from the other Windows box. Wanting to tell me the local weather (real interesting it knows  what the local weather is even though I disabled location services!) was a subversion I was totally unprepared for
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKsafLnmKdxi3Mm by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T21:42:01Z
       
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       Oh… right after posting this I tried to alt-tab, accidentally entered win-tab, and win-tab caused the weather widget I don't want to blossom into a picture of Donald Trump. I guess, somehow, a dedicated button for showing you a picture of Donald Trump is something I should expect of Windows by now.
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKtL6Z8vQxzR8ka by jbowen@mast.hpc.social
       2023-10-17T22:06:52Z
       
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       @mcc There's an 'alt-right' joke in there somewhere...
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHKuXY6MTQgsGamm by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T21:50:33Z
       
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       Actually, this Lenovo Vantage thing (runs through all the pieces of hardware in your laptop, tells you which ones need firmware updates, installs them) is *really* nice. Exactly what I feel like I'm usually missing in Windows. This is a pleasant surprise because the last time I bought a Lenovo was when they were installing like, Superfish malware.…I'm assuming that Vantage didn't just install Superfish, of course.
       
 (DIR) Post #AasHuwjrP9j1vzCy8G by nev@bananachips.club
       2023-10-17T20:24:41Z
       
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       @mcc (thx to https://youwouldntsteala.website/editor.html)
       
 (DIR) Post #AasO9jXHNHkh3Sl2Q4 by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T22:05:17Z
       
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       Hm. The Lenovo boot menu is not letting me select the USB stick with the Ubuntu installer on it. When I select it the screen just blinks black then it takes me back to the same menu. Some Google hits are recommending I disable secure boot. Should I need to disable secure boot to run the Ubuntu 22 LTS installer? I thought Ubuntu kernels were signed by Microsoft or some shit
       
 (DIR) Post #AasO9lVa2Za7Alyi36 by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T22:32:57Z
       
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       Now that I'm inside the Ubuntu installer, the first thing I notice is that it has not detected the 1080p laptop screen ("1.5x retina") is a high density display, and it does not give any options to increase the font size. I am forty years old and my eyes are not so good. I'm finding the text very hard to read. Imagine how bad it would be if this monitor were 4k!It would be nice to include font size options on the screen with language select, esp if you don't detect HiDPI monitors.
       
 (DIR) Post #AasO9nIBPM3Mhnj2Rc by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T22:40:19Z
       
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       Why does Ubuntu require a firmware level password for secure boot when Windows does not appear to require this?(This is not a good photo. My phone camera is struggling to accommodate the Ubuntu installer's tiny text.)
       
 (DIR) Post #AasO9pCaJ8lOd17azo by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T22:53:52Z
       
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       This isn't *really* a problem, not really, but in my opinion this error message could have been worded in a more friendly way.
       
 (DIR) Post #AasO9rCerq0ippAgO8 by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T22:57:01Z
       
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       Ubuntu's app store is offering to install the Flutter SDK. I am extremely excited about this. This is not a joke. I am sincerely feeling relief and happiness at the potential of one click installation of the Flutter SDK
       
 (DIR) Post #AasO9t5zpZs0hk4OHY by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T22:57:38Z
       
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       It's also offering "SABnzbd". To be honest, I'm not really feeling any excitement about "SABnbzd".
       
 (DIR) Post #AasO9usxB2cqFrz0EK by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T23:06:03Z
       
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       If I use usermod in a recovery root prompt to change the login name of a user account after completing a GUI install, in your opinion, will this probably break anything My guess is no because UIDs remain unchanged but Ubuntu *has* surprised me before
       
 (DIR) Post #AasOELEj96qf8kHGD2 by mmu_man@m.g3l.org
       2023-10-17T22:54:38Z
       
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       @mcc IIRC the shim that's used to load GRUB proper is actually signed by Microsoft but with their "3rd-party key", which is just ignored by some UEFIs…The Linux Foundation payed Microsoft, and it's not even working everywhere… 😒
       
 (DIR) Post #AasOyCo8ofRAJriBcG by untsuki@udongein.xyz
       2023-10-17T23:32:32.576171Z
       
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       @mcc As far as I know, most of drivers in Linux are modules to Linux Kernel (a core of operating system) which is a part of initial booting process, which requires to be the same as manufacturer approved to enable secure boot, and loading drivers causes it to not be the same so it asks for password trying to add everything it needs to custom Secure Boot approval list stored on device.Long story short, everything is a complicated mess because Secure Boot as a system wasn't made with Linux in mind. I hope my explanation is at least somewhat helpful
       
 (DIR) Post #AasaYIg3ZNACRcLODY by gizmomathboy@mastodon.xyz
       2023-10-18T01:42:22Z
       
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       @jbowen @mcc left shark approves
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr6sN59wqBPxwCQ4 by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T23:20:48Z
       
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       Is "rhythmbox" for Ubuntu a good music player? Is there a bettre one?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr6t2ueQIjVhVbcW by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T23:38:58Z
       
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       Linux "can you support my fucking monitor?" update- On initial install, Grub didn't have display drivers and displayed. It was great. Then Ubuntu downloaded some drivers and updates and now grub has tiny text. Booo- I can set a high-dpi upscale on my logged-in session... BUT as far as I've found there is no way to apply it to the login screen!! It also (unsurprisingly?) does not apply to virtual terminals/TTYs outside of X.(1/4)
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr6trbbwqo2vE5dQ by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T23:43:21Z
       
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       - Firefox and Chrome do not support fractional display scaling. Either of them. All text appears blurry. So that's a bad sign. (Lenovo's preferred "1080p laptop" version of high-dpi requires 150% scaling for things to be regular size.)- I can get correct fractional scaling  in both Chrome and Firefox by forcing on "pure wayland" (IE, not xwayland). But this is not fully supported in either. It's also unclear if I can do this with Electron apps, such as BitWarden, which I rely on hard. (2/4)
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr6uX57k1m7YdDHc by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T23:46:06Z
       
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       I was initially unable to sign into my BitWarden account because I was given an unusually complex CAPTCHA which was unreadable due to Electron not supporting fractional scaling correctly.I'm now running Chrome in the (deeply hidden; mysteriously labeled as "enable Ozone") pure Wayland mode, but unfortunately Chrome in Wayland has several major bugs, several of which I filed myself. This may be the actual thing which forces me to switch to Firefox, finally, after everything else. (3/4)
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr6vGSP2K8OHrS0e by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-17T23:49:12Z
       
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       If you're curious, this is my showstopper, "has actually been preventing me from using Linux at all for most of this year" Chrome-on-Wayland bug:https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=1455511#c_ts1692113814I would summarize this as "it doesn't use fucking ibus" with the user-facing symptom being "Andi cannot type an ellipsis because XCompose is jacked up". The bug has not moved since June, with the very non-reassuring last response from Google devs being (paraphrasing) "huh, that's interesting. I wonder how you use ibus?" (4/4)
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr6vwHtVmgU1QrD6 by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T00:08:33Z
       
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       Alright, I'm hearing the most recent Ubuntu (23.10) may have better Wayland/fractional scaling support than the LTS (someone said that, at least, Firefox should work right out of the box), so I guess I'm dist-upgrading the same day I installed the OS.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr6wkyr2Kl1F9LE0 by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T00:10:06Z
       
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       If anybody wants to crash through a window / time portal and yell "wait! No! Don't upgrade your desktop from 22.04 LTS to 23.10!!" now would be a good time to do it(This post has been edited)
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr6xZJpsbFXMhXge by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T00:12:21Z
       
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       I walked riiiiiight into that one
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr6yGZF5C7hUw568 by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T00:20:15Z
       
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       The GUI updater which I am running in hopes it will make more apps support fractional scaling, does not support fractional scaling. I guess that's not actually surprising but I hope the upgrade from 23.10 to something else will not have this problem
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr6ywkiEwFoKflqq by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T02:18:22Z
       
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       So I open the software updater GUI. I tell it to install any update, not just LTS. I ask it to upgrade Ubuntu. It does and… I'm in 23.04. lsb_release -a confirms it. I check for more updates. The GUI does not find any.The releases page calmly explains 23.10 is the newest. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleasesWhat am I missing?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr6zhtsweWAYjQLA by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T03:24:10Z
       
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       Wait, hold on! I was saying I couldn't get the login screen to use hidpi sized text like the logged-in GUI sessions, but there's a "large text" option in the login screen and always has been, under what I guess is the accessibility menu. I just didn't realize it because until the large text option was turned on the option to turn on large text was in small textTurns out this also works in the installer
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr70aqaebYuyRIzA by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T03:37:15Z
       
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       Update: I am in hell. I don't know what it was, if it was selecting "large text" in the installer, or selecting it at the login screen once, or what, but my login session now has the "large text" accessibility option stuck on and I cannot turn it off. If I turn it off in the accessibility menu it just turns itself back on on next login. If I turn it off on the accessibility settings, then close and reopen same, it's back on. "Large text" stacks with display scaling so now everything is too large
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr71bEqgVo2Td8Ea by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T03:49:01Z
       
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       Also, this is... this is one of the weirdest problems I've ever seen so I barely know how to describe it, but I'm having a *repeated* problem, in both Ubuntu 22.04 LTS and 23.10, where clicks on the title bar of a window will "fall through" the window and be applied to whatever window is *behind* the one I clicked on, at the exact point in the screen where I clicked. Has anyone ever seen anything like this, I am baffled
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr72N5yknEQu1LpQ by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T03:57:46Z
       
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       Whelp, this is frustrating. I switched from 22.04 to 23.10 to get Firefox to support hidpi scaling, and that worked, BUT now all the text is impractically large, so it's kinda hard to like... use the laptop. I had sincerely expected I'd have a working OS by the end of the day, but I've installed Linux twice and still don't, and I'm uncertain whether to start configuring in case I need to do it a third time. I guess next time I pick up this laptop it's gonna be to start filing bugs?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr72Z9FwQz2HeycC by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T03:39:19Z
       
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       Also noticing that the accessibility menu is disabled in the accessibility settings but the accessibility menu is still displaying. I think I… I think I want the accessibility menu to display, but I also want the settings that determine whether the accessibility menu is visible to match the actual behavior.Are these the kinds of bugs I was trying to avoid by sticking to LTS releases until now :(
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr73IsVv0vK73UtU by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T04:16:55Z
       
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       I think the thing that's just killing me here is that I got *so close*. I *almost* achieved the feat of going from "zero" to "usable Linux system" in one day. But the distance between "almost good enough" and "good enough" is infinite
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr73zPxl2dS2xTCS by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T04:18:44Z
       
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       One more "wait, what" for the road: If I open up "non-advanced mode" in Mastodon, I get a completely different layout on Linux than I do on Windows. Like, completely different. On the web page. I think something about my "large text" problem is causing Mastodon to think I'm running on a mobile size screen
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr74fbQumlYsh9xA by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T04:23:17Z
       
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       Thanks everyone who's helped me with both Linux and Windows today. I'm going to go to bed now and definitely not cry
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr74fxPb4LZyrRVQ by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T04:09:51Z
       
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       Thread repair https://mastodon.social/@mcc/111253975292613511
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr75lJNAwiwsNEUS by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T14:01:44Z
       
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       First discovery on waking up: One of the main things I like to do to configure current Linux is install the "dash to panel" extension, which merges the left-side bar and the top bar so you just have the one bar. Because why on earth not. I don't need two bars, I barely need one. Anyway it turns out that between 23.04 and 23.10 something broke such that enabling this extension, then logging out and back in, gives you two taskbars
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr76pbOhyMGTOAoi by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T15:01:52Z
       
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       Does anyone have an idea of why I get this screen in my firefox for linux ALMOST EVERY time I log out and back in? I'd say it's like 75-90% of the time.I actually didn't *tell* it to restore my pages. So it's doing something I didn't ask and then presenting me with an error it couldn't do the thing it decided to do on its own.Clicking "Restore Session" instantly and fully restores my previous tab.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr77a2c37SaV7GCW by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T15:04:23Z
       
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       Got an observation this is because logging out is not closing "properly". However, on other operating systems, such as Mac or Windows, selecting logout will briefly attempt to kill things properly before just terminating the process. Is it surprising that Ubuntu 23.10 is acting otherwise?https://lile.cl/@adriano/111256625770912858
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr78MFingT01flLc by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T15:13:30Z
       
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       Okay. I had a stack of four bugs to file (too large text, can't turn accessibility text off; two start bars; bitwarden doesn't work with 150% display scale; updates to Chrome+Wayland+XCompose bug). I have now filed one of the bugs. https://github.com/home-sweet-gnome/dash-to-panel/issues/1973 Unfortunately: The process of testing the dash-to-panel bug caused me to find two new bugs in Ubuntu 23.10. The stack is only growing.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr7972up79L9Z8Hg by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T15:32:09Z
       
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       Update: While attempting to log in to Ubuntu's "Launchpad" platform to file a bug, I found a bug in Ubuntu's "Launchpad" platform.On logging in, I discovered I'd been assigned a username I didn't care for. I attempted to change it. I got: "Because you have a Launchpad account, you will need to change your username from Launchpad." Notice, in the screenshot, I am on login.launchpad.net.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr79vjsLfDsNHcIa by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T15:33:31Z
       
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       Note that normally I would have annotated the screenshot rather than just describing things, but I don't have a usable image editor app on Linux yet. I briefly tried installing Krita to fix the bug. This is how I discovered that Krita does not support wayland display scalingWhile trying to post a screenshot of a bug I encountered while trying to log into a bug reporter service to report a bug, I discovered a bug
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr7AjMtpMYMIVFei by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T15:37:52Z
       
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       Okay. So it turns out that when login.launchpad.net told me that they could not change my username because I had to do it on launchpad, what they were trying to communicate to me is that launchpad.net and login.launchpad.net are two different and unrelated websites. I.. guess.. that.. makes.. sense.The good news is that the process of changing my username on launchpad.net somehow automatically changed my profile image from blank to "Fluttershy" from My Little Pony. This is delightful.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr7BVvzGD8mvE2M4 by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T15:44:22Z
       
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       The single thing that most frustrates me about Gnome is that if you right-click something in the dock, the menu does not offer a "what is this?" option of any kind. There is an icon named "Settings" in my dock. The Launchpad docs are VERY CLEAR that I should NOT file a bug on ubuntu-settings if the bug is actually on gnome-control-center. So which is this icon? Who can say?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr7CExHsDv2YHzWq by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T15:44:32Z
       
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       Like, even Mac OS, the OS that famously hides any information it thinks a user doesn't "need" to know, lets you right click a dock icon and say "show in folder"!
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr7D2EKfdfVNLLKi by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T16:00:02Z
       
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       Very minor Ubuntu oddity: It comes shipped with Firefox and Thunderbird. Firefox is installed via snap, and updated/removed through the "App Center" app. Thunderbird is installed via, and updated/removed via, regular Debian apt. I don't think either of these are right or wrong. It's just strange to me they're not the same.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr7DhhqSoda0kSyu by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T16:15:07Z
       
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       OKAY HEY WTF I CLOSED MY THINKPAD, WENT TO THE RESTROOM, CAME BACK, ENTERED MY PASSWORD AND IT HAD LOGGED ME OUT AND KILLED  ALL MY APPS. BLANK SLATEWTFThis really feels like an issue I should not have to worry about in 2023!!! I will throw it on the pile of issues that Ubuntu had out of the box but which it really feels I should not have to deal with in 2023
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr7ErfWuNZBCPw9I by tante@tldr.nettime.org
       2023-10-18T16:22:26Z
       
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       @mcc I've had that problem sometimes with Gnome Shell Extensions doing something weird and crashing, taking Gnome-Shell with them (which leads to a logout). After getting rid of a few ones it no longer happened.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aatr7FuBf1zIPIbSiG by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T16:16:22Z
       
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       Note: If you reply to this with "well you shouldn't have used Ubuntu" I will simply not believe you. Since installing this yesterday, I have been told both "you should have installed Arch, not Ubuntu" and "you should have installed Fedora, not Ubuntu". Those are opposites. You are telling me to go east and to go west at the same time. If I had installed Arch or Fedora I would have simply got a different list of unacceptable issues.
       
 (DIR) Post #AatrH3FRZgey30DVcO by tante@tldr.nettime.org
       2023-10-18T16:24:21Z
       
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       @mcc the Gnome-Shell log should show you which extension is crashing. And yes, the fact that a crashing extension takes the shell (and all child processes) with it is really not cool and needs fixing.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aau6Q13Gbnqd9cFo2q by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T16:25:13Z
       
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       *Sighs, setting aside laptop* time to stop looking at BAD RECTANGLE (laptop running horribly broken Ubuntu 23.10) and look at GOOD RECTANGLE (desktop running somehow perfectly fine Ubuntu 23.04)
       
 (DIR) Post #Aau6Q1rxZKOhgpyI3k by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T17:23:41Z
       
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       I am really amazed by the ability of IRC channels in the modern era to contain literally over one thousand people yet have no one talking at all and no one who responds if you ask a questionPeople complain about Discords but you know something I've noticed about projects that create a Discord for their help channels? People talk in them
       
 (DIR) Post #Aau6Q2o65Atyb9Aig4 by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T17:57:44Z
       
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       Filed a bug on Ubuntu for my "can't turn off large text accessibility option" bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/2039722So far this week I have had more luck reaching Ubuntu maintainers by loudly complaining on Mastodon than I have in the official IRC help channel, so if you know how to find someone who can either tell me what package/category to put the bug in, or what diagnostic data to gather before I go nuclear on my gsettings and possibly destroy useful debugging data, help much appreciated.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aau6Q3cR41AT7Giv8i by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T18:00:15Z
       
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       Also as long as I am loudly complaining about Ubuntu: I do not like that new Ubuntu (starting with 23.10) has a permanent icon in the top left that looks like a USB-C plug. I don't think this is a descriptive icon and the thing it does is mildly unhelpful. It is distracting me for reasons I cannot elucidate. Yes, I am very picky about UIs.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aau6Q4IcXAubE6SbtQ by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T19:11:56Z
       
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       Y'all I cannot express enough how much "try installing a few different distros in rapid succession in case one coincidentally turns out not to have problems with acpi and/or wayland dpi scaling" is not helpful advice. What I am *specifically trying to do* is stop installing Linux. I want to use Linux. Installing multiple distros means *more* installing Linux not less
       
 (DIR) Post #Aau6Q5BDGCa3xQ0CzA by chillanarchist01@liberdon.com
       2023-10-18T19:14:09Z
       
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       @mcc Is not using Wayland an option?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aau6TCWUPnHFbIRQRc by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T19:14:43Z
       
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       @chillanarchist01 If the goal is to get Wayland scaling to work, then I think turning Wayland off would make it less likely rather than more likely that Wayland scaling will begin working
       
 (DIR) Post #Aau7ylXSNTu58AVbpg by chillanarchist01@liberdon.com
       2023-10-18T19:31:39Z
       
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       @mcc I didn't know the context of your troubles installing Linux. Sorry for asking a question.
       
 (DIR) Post #AauJS9SVcYxXDBPRZI by mhoye@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T15:13:17Z
       
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       @mcc There are a lot of rough edges around session restoration.https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=restore+tabs
       
 (DIR) Post #AauJSAGqbPE1jIxe1w by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T15:13:55Z
       
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       @mhoye Thanks. Would it be most logical to think of this as a bug in Firefox or a bug in Linux?
       
 (DIR) Post #AauJSB47eCdmC80zpo by mcc@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T15:15:17Z
       
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       @mhoye I wonder if, if this is going to just happen every boot, if there's a way to tell it to just discard the error instead of giving me a big irritating message.
       
 (DIR) Post #AauJSBrOh03Wex4Ldg by mhoye@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T15:28:06Z
       
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       @mcc I'm not currently in front of my linux machine, but my (personal, idiosycratic) setup is to clear localstorage and cookies on deliberate-restart but not on upgrade, and let the built-in password manager rescue me. On Linux, you _really_, _really_ want to use the version of Firefox you can download from Mozilla and let it self-update in-place, not the flatpack/snap/repo/whatevs thing. There are fundamental disagreements under the hood about what gets to update what when and hilarity ensues.
       
 (DIR) Post #AauJSDe03mWmByog2C by mhoye@mastodon.social
       2023-10-18T15:39:01Z
       
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       @mcc Under any other circumstances, I'd be saying "trust what the package manager gives you, do not stray from the path of light, have you heard the good news about our lord and savior apt and his father dpkg who art in heaven" but Firefox is _by a wide margin_ both the most important application and most critical security tool on any modern linux, and that linuxes don't treat keeping stably, consistently updated-to-current-release as mandatory is a disaster you don't subject yourself to.