Post Aas78GS0KPp9L40JUG by falcon@mastodon.falconk.rocks
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(DIR) Post #AarL7dTMS6w0eOH008 by falcon@mastodon.falconk.rocks
2023-10-17T10:30:00Z
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You do not get to shut down valid criticism of your work and actions just by virtue of being a member of a minority. I can't believe how often this comes up even still.Obviously if one is targeted, that's a problem, but please look up and understand disparate treatment and disparate impact. These concepts are /comparative/. Between marginalized and non-marginalized groups.Also fwiw my own experience is that I feel most safe when my work gets the same type of feedback others' does.
(DIR) Post #AarL7f4GWO35b8XzA8 by falcon@mastodon.falconk.rocks
2023-10-17T10:40:47Z
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That is to say, I feel most safe when my work receives the same level and type of feedback and notice as that of the straight, neurotypical dude next to me with his normal circadian rhythm. The kind of guy I have had to work harder than, get more credentials than, negotiate harder than, and sometimes work around the feelings of.Being seen as a peer is ideal. Being seen as a pet - shielded, given a lower bar to meet - is absolutely not.
(DIR) Post #AarL7g6QfpNEo8ZEAq by falcon@mastodon.falconk.rocks
2023-10-17T10:44:43Z
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What this means is, I expect, if I fuck up, to be told. And if I hear valid criticism of my work, do you think I will say, oh you just hate queer people? Oh, you're targeting me out of ableism?No, I will do my best to listen and do better, and I don't know a lot of successful people who do otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AarL7h4L55IPnwb4YS by falcon@mastodon.falconk.rocks
2023-10-17T10:52:04Z
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It isn't the point of diversity to accept worse results as some kind of sacrifice in the name of fighting past wrongs (and sacrifices don't right wrongs anyway).Diversity means we play to everyone's strengths and incorporate viewpoints and needs different from our own; by doing that, we achieve more than a homogeneous group could. By including and empowering everyone, we get the benefit of everyone's contribution.It's not about comparing oppression or letting people take revenge.
(DIR) Post #AarL7inkdjDRB4qqye by falcon@mastodon.falconk.rocks
2023-10-17T10:57:10Z
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So then there is the case where, by all appearances, one member of a marginalized group, told that they were (probably unintentionally) harming members of a different marginalized group... does what? Uses criticism as mentorship? Improves their work?Nope. Shuts down criticism by calling it discrimination.Trolls will do their best to stir this reaction because it divides us and keeps us under heel. Marginalized people may not have the bandwidth to de-escalate. And so here we are.
(DIR) Post #AarL7kEjIuOFd2TufQ by falcon@mastodon.falconk.rocks
2023-10-17T11:01:22Z
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Now, marginalized groups are obviously not fungible, but on the other hand, play to people's strengths. If we accepted arguendo that the person doing the shutting down of criticism and the oppressing of other groups is doing so because of the characteristics of the disprivilege they experience as a member of a marginalized group, does it really play to their strengths to put them in that position?It's hard to ameliorate, but nobody will ever end oppression by oppressing others.
(DIR) Post #AarLEtQ3Yrfo8SBiKG by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-17T11:15:46.678024Z
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@falcon i kinda wish everyone wasn't cowards and said this 10 years ago when it started
(DIR) Post #AarLFDjE3ItH7hJIyu by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
2023-10-17T11:16:10.482668Z
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@falcon You sound like an incrediblly retarded nigger
(DIR) Post #AarLgyhHX2vKc2dYO0 by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-10-17T11:21:07.839220Z
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@falcon diversity means difference and differences aren't always positive or at least not always enjoyable, so to some extent it really does incorporate some sacrifice by being tolerant of things we don't like. it's impossible to draw an objective line of what you should and shouldn't tolerate though.
(DIR) Post #AarNfhvuZglEEr0B5E by falcon@mastodon.falconk.rocks
2023-10-17T11:41:48Z
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@Moon sure, and diversity means foregoing the convenience of one's comfortable prejudices and the simplicity of working with people who are just like you, and the doing of a lot of effort. These are sacrifices but I think what I am trying to get at is that it doesn't involve sacrificing outcomes. In fact the outcomes should be better.
(DIR) Post #AarkT43tHsAS3CfsKu by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-17T15:58:36.444785Z
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@falcon @Moon not all groups are compatible, as nothing anyone can do will allow them to coexists. please understand, such statements run hollow given progressive silence for so long. even if it was because of cowardice i don't think many people will be sympathetic anymore. the biggest example of the future this silence made is the usa's shifting demographics. the social conservatives in the usa keep saying this as our immigration system gets shitbombed. not everyone coming in wants to assimilate, a non trivial number are taking advantage of the crisis. the popular perception outside the ever shrinking progressive bubble is understandably that progressives purposefully intended import the third world to disenfranchise those social conservatives. we both know it was the ruling class doing partisan sockpuppetry not the progressive but as the lynchmobs created which used to lean leftward shift rightward almost no one will speak up for you just as no one spoke up for the conservatives. i just hope you understand that there is a progressive argument for getting trump in for 2024, it is foolish to refuse to utilize the political will he is raising as unchallenged it results in the progressive's doom. im an independent, i live in boston, all the progressives need to do is hold their nose and come to the table with the populist right to let your perspective on policy be known as the machine gets injected with laxatives. you can oust corop sellout dems this way.
(DIR) Post #AarpQp8EKEEcwCSGhs by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-10-17T16:54:24Z
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@falcon Disparate impact abolishes the question of disparate treatment.It is specifically a legal theory designed to say that unequal results are the product of "racism" and not natural inequality.This is why diversity never works, no matter what groups are involved.
(DIR) Post #Aas577KGZKN8qBi4hs by falcon@mastodon.falconk.rocks
2023-10-17T19:50:06Z
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@amerika nah, as a manager of diverse teams, it works great. Once you clear your team's way by heading off unconscious bias issues or cultural expectations about whom "outranks" whom, you end up with a much more creative team. Undoing racism doesn't mean accepting bad results or immunizing people from criticism, it means addressing the root causes of why some people are unable to use the same resources as others and get good results. And acknowledging that those reasons are not intrinsic.
(DIR) Post #Aas68OBjSbWXNkt9YO by falcon@mastodon.falconk.rocks
2023-10-17T19:56:15Z
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@jeff As an immigrant to the US myself, I really don't think this is true. Several other things are.We shouldn't ask for assimilation; we should ask immigrants to do the same social justice work themselves and in their own communities that must be done by others to include them.People the world over should ask their fair share, so that immigrant and offshore labour is no longer devalued or cheap.It is simply not possible to end oppression by empowering racial animus.
(DIR) Post #Aas68OtKqUOzYzHyW8 by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-17T20:01:21.791905Z
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@falcon >We shouldn't ask for assimilationyou are going to loose that fight. the popular sentiment is against you on that. dont fight it.>People the world over should ask their fair share, so that immigrant and offshore labour is no longer devalued or cheap.>It is simply not possible to end oppression by empowering racial animus.no one is empowering racial animus, it's about keeping expectations about what is achievable inline with reality. be realistic about what is attainable
(DIR) Post #Aas6jMNh8qxWUa74PQ by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-10-17T20:08:14Z
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@falcon "Undoing 'racism'" is itself a fiction.It will always be perceived.You, the manager, just do not see enough of the day-to-day interactions.
(DIR) Post #Aas78GS0KPp9L40JUG by falcon@mastodon.falconk.rocks
2023-10-17T20:11:22Z
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@jeff no, demanding people assimilate is often actual racism (it depends on what you mean specifically, of course; e.g., some mean "adopt Christianity" by this). As a radical I simply do not care what popular sentiment is. Popular sentiment has in the past supported slavery, institutionalized racism, genocide, colonialism, and so much oppression. There is no role for people like Trump because they move the Overton window towards more oppression and we will be better off going the other way.
(DIR) Post #Aas78H8tkw8RU64ZLU by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-17T20:12:33.221966Z
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@falcon >demanding people assimilate is often actual racismthis is only the case if you assume the underlying culture is founded on racism. if so please educate yourself.
(DIR) Post #Aas7rFDZl4SQXxhfhw by jeff@misinformation.wikileaks2.org
2023-10-17T20:20:43.132997Z
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@falcon all of these people are joining an ideological project that is not the one you think it is, the country that is founded on racism does not exist and no one is coming here for that.