Post AarmnnF9DFltsXx49A by gamey@chaos.social
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 (DIR) Post #AaeCflyqv9myiubfxw by mobian@fosstodon.org
       2023-10-11T02:44:58Z
       
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       Mobian started as a hobby project, triggered by the excitement of finally being able to hack one’s mobile phone at will. It is fair to say that the device that made it possible back then was the original PinePhone. However, after running once again into the same difficulties we experienced over and over, we’re wondering whether maintaining support for this device is still worth the effort…https://blog.mobian.org/posts/2023/09/30/paperweight-dilemma/
       
 (DIR) Post #Aag3rwZqpziLnBYqcy by mobian@fosstodon.org
       2023-10-11T04:44:15Z
       
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       To give you a sense of what we talk about: all patches in these folders are those we carry in Mobian. https://salsa.debian.org/Mobian-team/devices/kernels/sunxi64-linux/-/tree/mobian-6.1/debian/patches
       
 (DIR) Post #AagqUm9wIha2Zj1VEu by KinmenRisingProject@g0v.social
       2023-10-12T06:00:09Z
       
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       @cas @dos @mobian It's not an exclusive of Pine64: how many manufacturers do pay everybody working on on their hw for making floss/foss fw,drivers, sw? When somebody creates a device, somebody need to invest money. PIne64 like everybody else payed (and pays) for project, components dev. etc. & a company to exists must earn money. What you get in exchange is a device where you can install LInux. I agree about time consuming activities (I ✍️ the same in a previous post of this thread) but (...)
       
 (DIR) Post #AagqUnI85jj45PrYe0 by KinmenRisingProject@g0v.social
       2023-10-12T06:00:09Z
       
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       @cas @dos @mobian if you do this to get 💰, well than we are talking about jobs, smth different. About different platforms I'm not competent to say what is worth to do and what is not. I just point out that pine📱is a dev. device with all its problems. If you buy it, you know that. Not much different from a testing version of Pi/Arduino etc. I know that being a foss dev for free is often frustrating, but it's always better than digging coal in mines.For what it counts,I'm 😃 to contribute 4 free
       
 (DIR) Post #Aah1nKldSzSMcOhu9A by gecko@fosstodon.org
       2023-10-12T01:39:52Z
       
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       @tootbrute @KinmenRisingProject the hardware part is what makes me think that Purism may have been right after all when they decided to spent quite some time on sourcing the right parts.Sadly their high price point (now that devices are readily available) is just too high of a commitment :/(I know that money flows back into software development but still…)
       
 (DIR) Post #Aah1nNFqDeo4Ker3VQ by awai@fosstodon.org
       2023-10-12T11:23:10Z
       
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       @gecko @tootbrute @KinmenRisingProject The real difference there comes from @purism having kernel devs on their payroll: in terms of hardware parts, IMHO they didn't make obviously better choices when looking only at the "software support" aspect (heck, even they ended up with a downstream driver for the wifi cards they initially shipped)
       
 (DIR) Post #AajY59AojYse8IyLE8 by agx@social.librem.one
       2023-10-13T17:02:16Z
       
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       @awai @gecko @tootbrute @KinmenRisingProject @purism I think this was a bit of a "misunderstanding" between the card vendor and Purism who will look into upstreaming the missing driver bits 😄 (fueled by a takeover of the card vendor by another company)
       
 (DIR) Post #AarGcULTwA7DY8TpPE by FreePietje@x0f.org
       2023-10-17T10:24:19Z
       
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       @mobian The repo you linked has 22 patches in the pinephone dir.https://salsa.debian.org/Mobian-team/devices/kernels/rockchip-linux/-/tree/mobian-6.6/debian/patches/device-tree has 38 patches.Those patches are all related to the DeviceTree, describing the hardware!If every 'distro' has their own view of the actual hardware, I can't see how any real progress can be made.Then you get f.e. https://forum.pine64.org/showthread.php?tid=17686 where the first Q in OP is:"Are you able to get audio to work during phone calls?"This is just 1 example; took me <5m to find.This is sad and VERY worrisome :-(
       
 (DIR) Post #AarmnlMWCsTm2pNvMG by gamey@chaos.social
       2023-10-17T16:01:03Z
       
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       @mobian Beside of lacking quality control and other bad experiences (my Pinebook Pro didn't even last two months) that lack of core software support is one of the main reasons I will never ever buy another Pine64 device! If you sell devices to run Linux you don't have to go all the way like Purism and develope everything in house but you should at least have one or two people who work on the core to make life easier for distros and ensure certain issues actually get fixed for everyone! :/
       
 (DIR) Post #AarmnmGspJZ8rdkwDI by maryjane@social.coletivos.org
       2023-10-17T16:24:57Z
       
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       @gamey tbh this blogpost from @mobian about the difficulties of maintaining the kernel for the original pinephone kinda reminds of the article @drewdevault wrote sometime ago:https://drewdevault.com/2022/01/18/Pine64s-weird-priorities.html
       
 (DIR) Post #AarmnnF9DFltsXx49A by gamey@chaos.social
       2023-10-17T16:05:13Z
       
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       @mobian In the long run their devices aren't nice to run Linux on unless you only care for Manjaro which seems to have some sort of deal with Pine64 and they will end as additional E-Waste. Yes I can reuse my Pinephone as minicomputer and that's great but it's not a very good use for most of the parts in that device and the fact that E.g. the screen or modem won't end in the trash only means it can't be recycled ether while I continue to use it as minicomputer! :/