Post AakmASryWak1BRY5QW by Em@lsbt.me
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(DIR) Post #Aakm9jOfahYs9WUY08 by CrimethInc@todon.eu
2023-10-13T08:00:27Z
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The Israeli military has dropped more bombs on Gaza this week than the United States military dropped on all of Afghanistan in the years 2014-2016. They have already killed more people in Gaza than the number of Israelis killed in the attacks of October 7. They have rendered hundreds of thousands of people homeless—in what was already one of the most crowded places on earth. With the exit routes blocked, those refugees have nowhere to go, and the bombing continues.The casualties in Gaza include several hundred children who bear no responsibility for the events of October 7. Far more children will die in these bombings than died in the attacks of October 7.Taking revenge in this way will not bring back the people killed on October 7, nor will it halt the decades-long cycle of bloodshed that led to this tragedy. It will only lead to more deaths and concentrate more power in the hands of militarists and bigots.Tonight, in demanding that 1 million people leave the northern half of Gaza, the Israeli government is signaling that it intends to carry out genocide on a much larger scale.Countless Israelis know that this is not in their best interest and are saying so. Read our interview with one of them:https://crimethinc.com/Palestine2023
(DIR) Post #AakmA6mucjcShN0jTs by Em@lsbt.me
2023-10-13T08:09:54Z
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@CrimethInc they want the civilians to not be used as meat shields by the Hamas, who are trying to hide behind them or in schools, mosques, hospitals...
(DIR) Post #AakmAR51B7zBdJdTTk by CrimethInc@todon.eu
2023-10-13T08:16:26Z
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@Em If that really concerned the Israeli military, they wouldn't have already killed something like 500 children. They wouldn't have intentionally bombed at least 90 schools. They wouldn't have intentionally blown up hundreds of residential buildings.They know what they're doing. We're talking about one of the best-equipped military forces in the world. They are intentionally killing those children. What you are saying is just an excuse.
(DIR) Post #AakmARraGYpm3wMGB6 by be@floss.social
2023-10-13T08:44:58Z
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@CrimethInc @Em Israel has a long history of using people as meat shields, particularly Sephardim. https://palestinecollective.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/sephardim-in-israel_-zionism-from-the-standpoint-of-its-jewish-victims.pdf page 18
(DIR) Post #AakmASryWak1BRY5QW by Em@lsbt.me
2023-10-13T08:59:26Z
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@be @CrimethInc blah blah blah. Don't try to frame the anti-zionist Jews as the "true Jews" here.
(DIR) Post #AakmATnP54g83YPwwK by CrimethInc@todon.eu
2023-10-13T09:45:54Z
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@Em @be If you really are an anarchist, and an earnest opponent of anti-Semitism, then the first people you should be listening to are Jewish anarchists, practically all of whom are anti-Zionist. If you are in favor of supporting the government of Israel as it continues to pursue the policies that contributed to creating this catastrophe for both Israelis and Palestinians, then you are probably not an anarchist. If you refuse to listen to the voices of Jewish people who oppose the genocide of Palestinians in the Gaza Strip, do not tell yourself that you are refusing to listen to them because you oppose anti-Semitism.Perhaps you believe (despite all the evidence to the contrary) that escalating state violence will make people safer? (That doesn't go well with anarchism.) Perhaps you like to talk about what is good for Jewish people more than you like to listen to Jewish people when they disagree with you?
(DIR) Post #AalFCcX6SskqP6ANFI by AubreyDeLosDestinos@101010.pl
2023-10-14T12:40:11Z
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@Em @CrimethInc, let me recap, so I get this right. They bomb civilians because they don't want Hamas to use them as live shields?
(DIR) Post #AalMEvd78JnFtG1djc by Pagan_Animist@beekeeping.ninja
2023-10-13T08:13:27Z
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@Em @CrimethInc They have nowhere to go.
(DIR) Post #AalMF6ymw4fP5fFbXs by alexelcu@social.alexn.org
2023-10-14T13:58:53Z
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@Pagan_Animist @Em @CrimethInc indeed, they have nowhere to go, and killing innocents is always wrong. But people should talk more about how that is Egypt's fault too, because that border is completely closed, as Egyptians don't want Hamas either.Hamas has instituted a totalitarian regime in Gaza since 2006, they have redirected all aid towards weapons, they want to exterminate all Jews, worldwide, and until they are removed, peace is impossible.
(DIR) Post #AaluIhvbPmtgzjeAC0 by Qbitzerre@unbound.social
2023-10-13T12:29:13Z
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@CrimethInc indeed, I've got to wonder if merely bottling Gaza back up with zero retaliation would not be a more impressive display of strength. It would shame Hamas more effectively and position all parties better for reconciliation - however far-fetched that notion seems after these many decades.Best explanation I've seen is that incitement of Hamas serves status quo policy of "mowing the grass."
(DIR) Post #AaluIia0zXDv14YRBQ by EyalL@mastodon.social
2023-10-13T15:05:53Z
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@Qbitzerre @CrimethInc if the massacres stood with no response, Hezbollah would repeat them inevitably.The response has to be so powerful as to discourage a repeat in the next decades at least
(DIR) Post #AaluIjLW8vDlOOmNE0 by Qbitzerre@unbound.social
2023-10-13T15:36:59Z
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@EyalL @CrimethInc how has that policy been working out so far?
(DIR) Post #AaluIk2PZRX3XQqd5E by EyalL@mastodon.social
2023-10-13T15:41:44Z
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@Qbitzerre @CrimethInc Hezbollah is not entering yet, so maybe it's working alreadyThe real test will be whether such a massacre attempt happens again in the next decadesIf you're trying to imply Israel's powerful response in the past failed to deter, that's correct, but it wasn't powerful.Israel is now upping it by some orders of magnitude, and this will test the theory
(DIR) Post #AaluIkw4EW3GK2t4pk by CrimethInc@todon.eu
2023-10-13T18:00:51Z
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@EyalL @Qbitzerre How many people have to be killed, imprisoned, or rendered homeless for it to count as a "powerful" response by your measure? How many apartheid laws have to be enforced? How many checkpoints, how many daily acts of humiliation? How many children have to be intentionally murdered?Basically, you are saying that nothing short of outright genocide will count as a "powerful" deterrence. But Hamas came to power because of the earlier violence of the Israeli state. This tragedy never would have happened if not for the decades of violence from the Israeli military. If you're only concerned with what you call "massacres" when they happen to one side, the word for that is racism. (Look at a chart comparing Israeli to Palestinian casualties over the past twenty years and reflect on which of them you have been concerned about.) If your solution for massacres provoked by earlier massacres is... another massacre, it's not solution at all. You might just be more invested in racist violence than you are in seeing an end to the violence.
(DIR) Post #AaluIlWw1RXgAO8WIa by EyalL@mastodon.social
2023-10-13T18:06:36Z
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@CrimethInc @QbitzerreYou're claiming I support genocide while you're siding with the people who killed entire villages from the babies to the elderly.You will not put words in my mouth, that's a last warning.No, Hamas didn't go into power because of Israeli violent responsesIt actually got into power because Israel *retreated* from Gaza.Everything you believe about the conflict is in question, since you don't know basic facts
(DIR) Post #AaluImDpRxqyJQCm9o by EyalL@mastodon.social
2023-10-13T18:08:04Z
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@CrimethInc @Qbitzerre And no, Hamas doesn't care that Gaza civilians get killed. It hides behind them for this reason.Hamas does care when its own militants and leaders get killed and when they lose power.And Israel never, since 2005, took the strong measures needed to achieve that goal.And now it appears Israel was cornered into being forced to do it, at any price.Doing it entails a lot of destruction in Gaza, and civilians will die, despite efforts to minimize it.
(DIR) Post #AaluImyycfZEfeGQe8 by EyalL@mastodon.social
2023-10-13T18:09:30Z
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@CrimethInc @Qbitzerre but that's not the goal, quite the oppositeThe goal is to destroy Hamas.Kill as many of its militants and leaders as possible.Find and destroy its weapon stashes.Find the kidnapped Israeli babies, children, women and men and free them.When this is successful, it will discourage future massacres by the human animals in Hamas and Hezbollah
(DIR) Post #AaluIndOCPtSgzAhdY by CrimethInc@todon.eu
2023-10-14T06:28:29Z
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@EyalL @Qbitzerre The Israeli military has now intentionally murdered hundreds of children in pursuit of the strategy you are describing. You are using phrases like "human animals" to legitimize the indiscriminate killings of civilians and children, as if it were only Hamas militants being killed. If murdering children isn't acceptable when Hamas does it, it must not be acceptable when the Israeli military does it, either. One could get the impression that you are more excited about seeing Palestinians die than you are about preventing the tragic loss of life.When the US military invaded Iraq and Afghanistan and overthrew Saddam Hussein and the Taliban, this did not diminish the violence in either country. The Islamic State emerged in Iraq and the Taliban eventually regained power. If Hamas is wiped out by mass killings, as you propose, along with massive numbers of children, which you clearly don't mind, the next organizations that emerge among Palestinians will be even more determined to carry out indiscriminate violence than Hamas, just as Hamas has been more willing to carry out indiscriminate violence than past Palestinian political organizations.Your strategy of trying to stabilize the situation through brutal unilateral mass killings will only lead to more deaths on all sides.