Post AaigmO6Pi1KnMU5AJ6 by pinemarten@poa.st
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(DIR) Post #AaiQfsz8tIShqhYicy by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-10-13T04:04:08Z
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Whenever I see comments like this about #Wayland I always have to ask, who do you think would be developing this new protocol? Every single #Linux graphics developers agrees that Wayland is where we're going, the problem is nobody agrees on how it should look
(DIR) Post #AaiQrvrW1JDQFMjfwu by thelinuxcast@fosstodon.org
2023-10-13T04:06:26Z
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@BrodieOnLinux That may be *a* problem, but it's not *the* problem. *The* problem is that it's been made default almost across the board and isn't ready to be so. At least I don't think it is.
(DIR) Post #AaiRvrT4OqgBjMjsP2 by accela@libretooth.gr
2023-10-13T04:18:22Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Who they think they are scraping others, open source and free, work? What's next? Enter in a Xorg conference with a toilet sink and bossing people around?
(DIR) Post #AaiVFORwIYRVO1DPJQ by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-10-13T04:55:28Z
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@thelinuxcast What do you think needs to be addressed before that occurs
(DIR) Post #AaiWQXYordZ0mcJR9U by thelinuxcast@fosstodon.org
2023-10-13T05:08:43Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I'm probably a victim of "it needs to work for me therefore doesn't work for a lot of people," but screen capture needs to be actually working. Also, more fully featured window managers (which is what I will always call them). That'll take time.As for mainstream, better Nvidia support is obv. the big one. And application support is still really lacking, at least it is for me.
(DIR) Post #AaiWVobcux6h618nQW by Jayrive@toot.cafe
2023-10-13T05:09:42Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @thelinuxcast a standarization of the tool of it might need to be graphic stack instead of letting the mess we have with 5 differents compositors and counting implementing whatever functions they come to mind or at least a good practice book telling the what and how to support every required feature. Actually wayland lacks consistency and in a graphic stack is disastrous.
(DIR) Post #AaibCnmkFCeAos5uyW by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-10-13T06:02:11Z
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@thelinuxcast Fully featured windows managers meaning what?
(DIR) Post #AaicYbFlcNdkHGcwxU by jokeyrhyme@aus.social
2023-10-13T05:37:36Z
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@thelinuxcast @BrodieOnLinux for me, screen capture only breaks when apps have bindings to pipewire that don't perfectly line up with the versions of libpipewire on my system, but that should settle once pipewire goes 1.0 (hopefully, soon)Given that the main Wayland protocol engineers are the same developers that used to work on Xorg and gave up, it seems like they can at least agree that they don't want to recreate the mess that was X11/Xorg :)
(DIR) Post #AaicYc0CpimqbIM2LI by thelinuxcast@fosstodon.org
2023-10-13T05:38:22Z
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@jokeyrhyme @BrodieOnLinux Wayland is the biggest "But it works for me" trope of all time, tbh
(DIR) Post #AaicYdIg0X9ics0Ils by l0ngyap@akm.longyap.name.my
2023-10-13T06:17:43.877788Z
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@thelinuxcast @jokeyrhyme @BrodieOnLinux
(DIR) Post #AaifylyEh55UuMbCVM by coin@asimon.org
2023-10-13T06:56:04.147602Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Do you know why is Wayland support with nvidia GPUs going to slowly? I can't even choose a Wayland session in the login screen.
(DIR) Post #Aaig4fNM7t3eBy9upk by graf@poa.st
2023-10-13T06:57:08.568403Z
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@coin @BrodieOnLinux nigger support for any Nvidia is broken in current Linux kernels. I cannot boot my gentoo desktop unless I use nouveau. the kernel panics
(DIR) Post #AaigAz6DhuGp6L9lY0 by coin@asimon.org
2023-10-13T06:58:17.018455Z
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@graf @BrodieOnLinux So I have to get fucked by GNOME since they're going Wayland only soon? I may have to move to KDE if that's the case...
(DIR) Post #AaigLPmlLM8slM1rXs by graf@poa.st
2023-10-13T07:00:10.453004Z
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@coin @BrodieOnLinux if gnome is dropping Wayland only they are going to burn the last of their userbase. you CANNOT game in Wayland. the environment is hostile to it. steam chose KDE because it's the most supported and steam is still anti Wayland. not sure what the push for Wayland is but gaming will decide where the Linux desktop goes. not gnome.
(DIR) Post #AaigX5GBTyGqZyM4HY by pinemarten@poa.st
2023-10-13T07:02:17.971404Z
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@graf @coin @BrodieOnLinux I still haven’t gotten my AMD vidya card working properly. I haven’t tried in a couple of months though. Sad.
(DIR) Post #AaigXpeYzf6WSu7BfU by coin@asimon.org
2023-10-13T07:02:25.564606Z
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@graf @BrodieOnLinux Yeah. I'll be switching to KDE sooner rather than later. GNOME has some really retarded decisions sometimes.
(DIR) Post #AaigesWshNcJPcsirg by graf@poa.st
2023-10-13T07:03:41.431286Z
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@pinemarten @coin @BrodieOnLinux this weekend I can call with you and work with you on it if you want
(DIR) Post #AaigmO6Pi1KnMU5AJ6 by pinemarten@poa.st
2023-10-13T07:05:03.821683Z
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@graf @coin @BrodieOnLinux Yes, thanks, let me take another stab at it and get my notes organized. :)
(DIR) Post #Aaigrs9LQBhW024J4y by graf@poa.st
2023-10-13T07:06:02.097604Z
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@pinemarten @coin @BrodieOnLinux tomorrow night I have time. maybe 6 or 7 pm local time for you. send me a ping on telegram or matrix and I'm yours for as long as you need me
(DIR) Post #Aaim89aOrQ3oTvJ3Eu by gregsie@linuxrocks.online
2023-10-13T08:04:37Z
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@BrodieOnLinux Change is good, but change needs to be managed. I have a manjaro box with plasma and a choice of X11 or wayland session. In the wayland session viewing images scaled in gwenview delivers images which are not properly scaled more like postage stamps in a sea of black. My customised favourite list is squashed and order change.I've no idea if this is a plasma issue or wayland issue. I don't care, I just want it to work So X11 for now.
(DIR) Post #Aain2En2hR96q0xkAq by gurristech@fosstodon.org
2023-10-13T08:14:48Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @thelinuxcast I can only think of something like Regolith: https://regolith-linux.org/All twms on x11 or compositors need a lot of configuration and tinkering.
(DIR) Post #AaisrToX6FF9yQugTo by mirkl@linuxrocks.online
2023-10-13T09:19:57Z
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@BrodieOnLinux as I understand, if you want your application to support features you want, you need to develop sub compositor and implement missing protocols you need.Missing protocol can be custom one.So you either wait until it it implemented in standard libraries or you create one.So not sure how that will go in terms of reusability and maintenance.
(DIR) Post #Aaj1cgyyky4W3hp54y by prlzx@hostux.social
2023-10-13T10:58:13Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @thelinuxcast With the recent discussion about the ext type protocols makes me wonder if there was ever a proposal for delegation of window management to a separate process while the compositor retained all other features.May or may not be possible based on the design and security principles but plenty of other software has ways to offload processing to an external process and return results.
(DIR) Post #Aaj97RhwIUoJLCSqXo by idiot@shitposter.club
2023-10-13T12:22:35.312701Z
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@BrodieOnLinux The graphics developers might've decided on it. They might even have the best of intentions. But they're being vetoed (at best, held hostage at worst) by netsec nerds and GNOME devs that are hellbent on making it as unusable as humanly possible.I'll stick with Xorg, thanks.
(DIR) Post #Aaj9A6CmhQvhWM9nOK by coin@asimon.org
2023-10-13T12:23:04.389667Z
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@graf @BrodieOnLinux Ok, so I switched to KDE. Fuck that noise. Funnily enough, on KDE the Wayland session is working fine. :bloblaugh:
(DIR) Post #AajCT0UQTPXH9w7Ge8 by BrodieOnLinux@linuxrocks.online
2023-10-13T12:59:45Z
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@graf @coin GNOME is the biggest Linux desktop environment and the majority of there users already use Wayland
(DIR) Post #AajIxjBzQxvoDMWbya by reloadedAK@poa.st
2023-10-13T14:12:54.358805Z
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@pinemarten @graf @coin @BrodieOnLinux That's just been a problem in general it seems. The AMD video drivers have been hit and miss for a while for me
(DIR) Post #AalnxIWQ5132OPH97Y by benreaves@fosstodon.org
2023-10-14T19:08:46Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @thelinuxcast I think we should focus on bringing back a universal method for apps being able to call Wayland directly for what application has focus as offloading that to the DE is really dumb & puts a huge amount of work on application devs that does not need to be there.But to do that they have to create a privacy & security type gate (macOS) that requires users to approve that level of access to specific apps, & accessibility type apps need it too.
(DIR) Post #AaloGy8rYt6iyddYmW by benreaves@fosstodon.org
2023-10-14T19:12:24Z
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@BrodieOnLinux @thelinuxcast imho if you have handicaps then x11 is the most realistic option as Wayland won’t do you any favors if you need accessibility features enabled & 3rd party apps.
(DIR) Post #Aatmp00RdQEE4GZMa8 by timkrief@framapiaf.org
2023-10-18T15:34:11Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I think Wayland seems to be built with software containerization in mind at its core, and it doesn't fit everyone
(DIR) Post #Aaxo18aKRT6SjgXsTg by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-10-20T14:00:30Z
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@BrodieOnLinux I guess people hating #Wayland are the same folks that hate #SystemD or even #PipeWire whilst refusing to #DoBetter themselves:#Toxic #Neighsayers that refuse to acknowledge that #Xorg, #SystemVinit and #ALSA / #OSS are bad.Instead they create redundant work that noone cares and that only.pulls resources from improving mainlike #Linux. Or does anyone use #Devuan in any busoness-critical applicationm?