Post AaaVxF4R8gA0MeQFaS by lebronjames75@shitposter.club
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(DIR) Post #Aaa61hdkGLQFJyP7Ee by lebronjames75@shitposter.club
2023-10-09T03:35:31.055332Z
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i need to understand cameras and video recordingi will never understand why all estonian movies feel indieeach scene feels weakeach angle feels like its filmed by an amateur in his back yardeach post process effect feels, stockis it FOV?is it the shape of the FOV (lenses)?is it the zoom?is it the combined post process effects (color grading, HDR, etc) and DoF?is it the ultra strong lightings on each set and scene?i think ive seen a big american movie that have a counter example to most each of my questions ithink high dynamic range might be the most important one?
(DIR) Post #Aaa6NCkDoPeFs4gbtg by lebronjames75@shitposter.club
2023-10-09T03:39:25.765667Z
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and then after HDR; oval shaped lens and lighting?
(DIR) Post #AaaTqXyEGtXB2uCNQu by tai@shitposter.club
2023-10-09T08:02:27.687917Z
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@lebronjames75 it's probably all of the above at least, but outside of the technical factors the most important thing to getting good shots is to have a vision for them and set up the scene/set accordingly. you can do this practically without a vision if you have a big budget by hiring professional prop and effect people, whereas in the smaller scale it takes a lot of ingenuity. in terms of the technical, hollywood does heavy color grading, the films often tint the whole movie as to sort of brand it, and this tends to make the films really pop out in a eyecatching way. you can see the extremes of this in trailers. in terms of the color space the big films occupy it's more like the artificial essence of what each scene actually would look like, brought further towards the desired direction by lighting setups designed to get this effect.
(DIR) Post #AaaU9iT9Sg9r6pnqZE by lebronjames75@shitposter.club
2023-10-09T08:05:52.762162Z
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@tai i was heavily thinking solely of the technical aspects of the shot, away from the vision, as i've seen seemingly the same shots and same vision, but theres some purely visual technical difference that one catches solidly across a 2 hour movie, while the other one doesnt hit the nail once, despite similar camera positions and not too dissimilar lighting conditions (seemingly)thank you for the insight
(DIR) Post #AaaULZtp9LDY0Ow1gW by tai@shitposter.club
2023-10-09T08:08:03.918836Z
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@lebronjames75 which film are you specifically thinking of?
(DIR) Post #AaaUQP2gwWyHmUNpWC by tai@shitposter.club
2023-10-09T08:08:56.527607Z
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@lebronjames75 (the one that doesn't hit it the nail to be clear)
(DIR) Post #AaaVSpv25VbVfcWcj2 by lebronjames75@shitposter.club
2023-10-09T08:20:33.885612Z
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@tai in most estonian movies, from the first shot of the movie, till the end, they always feel, weaklike they are missing some key component of a professional movie, and are home made amateur onesan exception to this, was the "Last Sentinel" (2023), which i was later shocked to find out was estonian, as it had no tell tale "that kind of scenes and shots".a counter example would be 1944, another estonian movie, where many of the scenes have something off about them, something that makes them feel like it's a simple camera recording, "it's a set with actors or at best just someone that was randomly filmed doing something, maybe like a live concert recording or something"the picture with the woman, a shot in Last Sentinelvspicture with the 3 nazi soldiers and kommandant, has this VERY common estonian movie color grading and styleit's hard for me to describe what gives me that feeling, because i dont know what it isbut i see it, it' sthere, it's something ive seen my entire life and recognize with my eyesJUST the technical aspects, none of the actor's aspects
(DIR) Post #AaaVxF4R8gA0MeQFaS by lebronjames75@shitposter.club
2023-10-09T08:26:03.399748Z
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@tai another picture from "1944" (first image) that i believe one simply would not have at all in any hollywood movie, no matter the year, contrasted versus a Band of Brothers night scene (image with subtitles)
(DIR) Post #AaaYH8YhGA4FrsBsnY by birdulon@shpposter.club
2023-10-09T08:52:03.068583Z
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@lebronjames75 @tai tonemapping/lightning/makeup?
(DIR) Post #AaaZBlNm6IVQUj5Eiu by lebronjames75@shitposter.club
2023-10-09T09:02:17.538187Z
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@birdulon @tai ignoring that for the lighting on the 1944 night image, the left most person's face is lit from the wrong side compared to the logs + other people's light directions, there's a very obvious difference between the two images imo and it's the contrast, more specifically the transition from the light area to the dark area. (This example condition is also valid for the initial images from The Last Sentinel that i posted as well)the contrast transitions are REALLY smooth and soft, almost non existant, on the "bad" examplesand they are REALLY hard and super clear, so clear you could draw a line between the "bright" and "shadow" area contrasts on the exact places of transitions.mostly from the 3 you wrote - tonemapping, or HDR [?] seems to be the most important factor hereis tonemapping the same as hdr? i need to look into these two terms
(DIR) Post #Aaab90GaVOE7hEX8ds by birdulon@shpposter.club
2023-10-09T09:24:12.724787Z
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@lebronjames75 @tai HDR can refer to other things like more dynamic range on the recording media or playback device, tonemapping in a HDR sense is about mapping the input:output colourspaces to give the impression of more contrast etc., like an audio expander.
(DIR) Post #AaaitAONtDHC6J8iuG by tai@shitposter.club
2023-10-09T10:51:00.634392Z
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@birdulon @lebronjames75 this is what looks to be the main problem in the case of those 1944 screenshots; the lackluster tonemapping for the non-hdr formatsthis might have been amended a bit in the blu ray version compared to the tv version since usually there are post-processing people involved who specifically try to make sure that the movie looks good on home setupsin the case of a similarly situated movie, you can compare to the new Tuntematon Sotilas(although it had 5x the budget)
(DIR) Post #AaakG3eJE6CHnm4Fuq by lebronjames75@shitposter.club
2023-10-09T11:06:14.583102Z
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@tai @birdulon ive seen the unknown soldier movie, most of the scenes there are made a lot better (in direct comparison to 1944), though sometimes (albeit very rarely) i get that "this doesnt feel quite as cinematic now as it did in the last set" in mystery-sotilas. is the capability for technical quality of the video so heavily tied to the budget? then we truly have no chance here in estonia V_VLast Sentinel i think excelled in the technical part of "looking" greatbut fell on everything else. Like a A24 slowburn movie, but times 3. So, you could call it a A72 movie =)
(DIR) Post #AaandQfY6XGvihU2Yy by tai@shitposter.club
2023-10-09T11:44:11.203207Z
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@lebronjames75 @birdulon >is the capability for technical quality of the video so heavily tied to the budget?it tends to be, although just one person can theoretically make a great looking film with pedestrian equipment if you can use the available post processing tools wellmy guess, seeing as how this is quite common with some YLE productions over here as well, there might be the misconception in some managers over at these institutions that if you just take expensive equipment and film with it the result will look good(enough) regardless