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(DIR) Post #AaQUaili9fBFufdd7Q by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-04T12:23:40Z
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Listening to the last hour of #MarkLevin's #MarkLevinShow broadcast from last night, and I can't believe it. His basis for supporting #KevinMcCarthy is that a) so many #GOP members support him, so he can't be that bad! and b) ousting #KevinMcCarthy makes the #Democrat members happy, so removing him can't be a good thing.Not only that, but he accuses #MattGaetz of working with #HakeemJeffries, saying "when was the last time you talked to him?" As if #KevinMcCarthy had not literally said he speaks with #HakeemJeffries mere hours before, during an interview with the press...🤦🏾♂️ No conservative commentator will be perfect 100% of the time, but it is pretty disappointing that #MarkLevin is so confidently wrong about something that should be incredibly easy to understand.
(DIR) Post #AaQWCenNTW4IY64Rw8 by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-10-04T12:41:43Z
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@realcaseyrollins why didn't Boebert and MTG support Gaetz?
(DIR) Post #AaQXAPIIEneLqb1RMu by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-04T12:52:32Z
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@wjmaggos They both are #Trump sycophants AFAIK. We know that last time, #MTG literally waited for a call or text from #Trump himself to decide whether or not to even vote for #KevinMcCarthy in the first place!(Not surprising though, #Trump is known for getting along with the ladies if ya know what I mean 😏)#Trump wanted #KevinMcCarthy to stay in, likely because he said nice things about him before, which BTW is the same mistake he made when determining who he should support during the midterm elections. Look how great THAT turned out.
(DIR) Post #AaQXd4Y0S555tv2a4O by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-10-04T12:57:42Z
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@realcaseyrollins so Trump is secretly with the establishment and Gaetz is now anti MAGA but also anti establishment?
(DIR) Post #AaQXr8yklybThOGFpA by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-04T13:00:15Z
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@wjmaggos Not exactly. #Trump supports anyone who says nice things about him because he wants an army of suckups as supporters. #MattGaetz isn't more anti-establishment than he is a principled small-government conservative. #KevinMcCarthy not only isn't conservative enough for him or a strong enough supporter of small government, but he broke his word as well, which is why #MattGaetz is opposing him.I think if #KevinMcCarthy had done everything he has been doing but without the promises, he'd still be Speaker of the House.
(DIR) Post #AaQxHPGBMOoQZq272O by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-10-04T17:45:08.653218Z
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But it likely took those promises to get the Speaker job in the first place lest we forget the 15 ballots.
(DIR) Post #AaR5ViewpUxkQlx8jY by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-04T19:17:21Z
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@midway @wjmaggos Sounds like there's only one path forward then, for the next Speaker Of The House.
(DIR) Post #AaR65Tz8rjQ1LPS4VU by midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com
2023-10-04T19:23:49.705194Z
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My money is on Scalise, but I think Jordan is the only declared candidate. I say Scalise since Gaetz has said he’d support him and he’s already in leadership so the caucus may get behind him. But we’ll see.
(DIR) Post #AaR6bOoFdzauYiZomm by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-04T19:29:35Z
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@midway @wjmaggos #SteveScalise doesn't seem so bad. He talks a nice game but I haven't checked his voting record yet.#JimJordan wouldn't be a bad pick either but I think his personality is a bit strong considering the nature of the office. I don't want something with a strong personality (like #Trump) to be the speaker of the house, I think only a very specific decorum is befitting of the Speaker.
(DIR) Post #AaRArbtd9gCVb44uvI by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-10-04T20:17:18Z
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@realcaseyrollins @midway a speaker should act less like a partisan than an advocate for good govt imo. this would be more likely if our system was less tilted towards duopoly. any bill that gets a decent amount of co-sponsors should get called. a balanced budget should be the top priority. give bills time to be understood before they are voted on. no more omnibus crap. etc etc.so I’m divided on Gaetz’ complaints. he seems to want transparency and very conservative leadership. ugh.
(DIR) Post #AaRBlcxcNvzD79edoO by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-04T20:27:28Z
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@wjmaggos @midway > he seems to want transparency and very conservative leadership. ugh.Those seem like good things to me 😌 But make no mistake, barring maybe #Trump, we won't be getting a partisan as a future Speaker Of The House. There are too many RINOs and moderates in the #GOP for that to work.
(DIR) Post #AaRkM27XiNGs0tpOHg by Twiglet@mindly.social
2023-10-05T02:55:00Z
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@realcaseyrollins @wjmaggos @midway@soapbox.midwaytrades.com r u saying u support a Christian state that strips reproductive freedoms off women and believes slavery can be of benefit to the enslaved?Those r just 2 of the 'ugh conservative' principles u endorse every time u back the #gop.
(DIR) Post #AaRkRh6GmVoKYavpWy by mia@freespeechextremist.com
2023-10-05T02:56:03.628789Z
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@Twiglet @realcaseyrollins @wjmaggos Based.
(DIR) Post #AaRnJp9fFYg55HSU76 by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T03:28:13Z
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@Twiglet @wjmaggos > r u saying u support a Christian state that strips reproductive freedoms off women and believes slavery can be of benefit to the enslaved?No. Barely anybody does.> Those r just 2 of the 'ugh conservative' principles u endorse every time u back the #gop.Are you even paying attention to politics? You're either lying, or you have been lied to.
(DIR) Post #AaRnLG0ssPXKfp2EHg by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T03:28:30Z
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@mia @wjmaggos @Twiglet No not really, #Christian nationalism is NOT the move.
(DIR) Post #AaRnZZPLZ590sYIn3o by mia@freespeechextremist.com
2023-10-05T03:31:05.936743Z
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@realcaseyrollins @wjmaggos @Twiglet I'm just being rude for shits and giggles. I'm not Christian or a Republican, I just loathe the braindead person talking to you.
(DIR) Post #AaS2OqDIExvz7y0Rf6 by Twiglet@mindly.social
2023-10-05T06:17:12Z
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@realcaseyrollins Florida schools now teach the benefits of slavery in the school curriculum. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna95418#gop sycophants from Boebert to MTG to the orange ape himself post tweets and videos of themselves rattling on about making the US a Christian state. These r super easy to find and they r their words tweeted by them.Roe v wade. Birth control will b next.That's all w/o talking about tax cuts for the rich or the environment.How can u not be aware of these things?
(DIR) Post #AaS76n29p5K9pB0dqy by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T07:09:58Z
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@Twiglet The #Florida curriculum says the following:> slaves developed skills which, in some instances, could be applied for their personal benefitIs this a lie?> #gop sycophants from Boebert to MTG to the orange ape himself post tweets and videos of themselves rattling on about making the US a Christian state. These r super easy to find and they r their words tweeted by them.Share some then. Even if you could find them, the vast, vast majority of #GOP members are #Christian nationalists. You would be hard pressed to find more #Christian nationalists in the #GOP per capita than #GOP members who voted to oust #KevinMcCarthy.
(DIR) Post #AaSB8oWyBpOyvAV3cu by Twiglet@mindly.social
2023-10-05T07:55:09Z
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@realcaseyrollins What valuable skills did the underage female slaves sold to be raped by their slave owners learn?Trump inherited a booming economy from Obama. Which he tanked. It is now back on track thanks to Biden.What I find most hilarious about the whack job nazis u vote for is how they all voted against the infrastructure bill and then started bragging about it when it started delivering benefits to their constituents.They r utter scum.
(DIR) Post #AaSBhsHCFuXOfnq9rs by Twiglet@mindly.social
2023-10-05T08:01:29Z
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@realcaseyrollins And here's some bonus facts from some other people who know the tax cuts did not trickle down to workers (cannot believe anyone still falls for that shit).https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/uaw-demands-2023-strike-why-contract-negotiations/
(DIR) Post #AaSCE0bGqMCrkuYJiS by Twiglet@mindly.social
2023-10-05T08:07:18Z
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@realcaseyrollins and here, since u seem to struggle with independent research, is some facts about Christian nationalism and the gop.https://www.npr.org/2023/02/14/1156642544/more-than-half-of-republicans-support-christian-nationalism-according-to-a-new-s#:~:text=Christian%20nationalism%20is%20a%20worldview,service%20in%20Republican%20ones%2C%20too.Though we all know u folk don't want actual Christianity, which involves loving your neighbor and caring for the sick and the poor.
(DIR) Post #AaSYcwBCc6moHEeRhg by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T12:18:18Z
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@Twiglet > What valuable skills did the underage female slaves sold to be raped by their slave owners learn?It depends, I don't know much about a lot of them but many of them learned to cook exceptionally well, to the point where to this day, with the passed-down knowledge and recipes, black women in the south particular are known for being better cooks than white people.> Trump inherited a booming economy from Obama. Which he tanked. It is now back on track thanks to Biden.#Trump did tank it during #COVID19, yes, but he also made it even stronger before that. The economy was on track before #Trump decided to print money and give it to everyone as income for two years, no wonder the economy tanked and we're still feeling the inflationary effects to this day. Not that #JoeBiden isn't making the situation worse, but #Trump made it worse too, and the situation wouldn't be this bad if #Trump hadn't signed off on those stimulus checks.
(DIR) Post #AaSYjKCIEIxGVICuNk by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T12:19:28Z
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@Twiglet Doesn't this showcase that your "middle out" plan doesn't work? "The rich" aren't getting tax cuts right now, and now the #UAW is claiming that things have never been worse. Maybe you would have a point if this happened under the #Trump administration, post tax cuts.
(DIR) Post #AaSYq1WA4uQwb5h8T2 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-05T12:20:41.950966Z
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@realcaseyrollins @Twiglet > :dumb_wojak: stimmies are good akshually
(DIR) Post #AaSYvVxYK8MkSV7oMi by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T12:21:40Z
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@Twiglet #Christian nationalism is a lot worse than that, that's pretty tame in comparison. A bit weird that you're using #NPR as a dictionary.https://www.britannica.com/topic/Christian-nationalismThe problem with #Christian nationalism is that it seeks to enforce #Christian law on non #Christians. The government has no place in enforcing religious law.
(DIR) Post #AaSZ2O67x4LY6SPfsG by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T12:22:55Z
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@thatguyoverthere @Twiglet I'm waiting for him to say that lolBut the thing is you can very clearly track when the economy under #Trump went bad with when he signed off on those stimulus checks
(DIR) Post #AaSZWizmopvpbUufdg by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-05T12:28:24.701240Z
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@realcaseyrollins @Twiglet yeah things were getting pretty nice before covid hit. Now I keep hearing people saying things about how "bidenomics" are working but my wallet disagrees. I'm doing pretty well for myself and I still feel pinched and keep having to make changes because costs continue to rise. I don't know how anyone can make a claim that things are better now than they were a year or 3 ago.
(DIR) Post #AaSaECzJBTSv4jQMC0 by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-10-05T12:36:16.592275Z
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@thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @realcaseyrollins In fairness, we were overdue for a correction anyway. It's just continual kick the can with QE and strange fed manipulation. Enough factors hit at once that we couldn't mitigate and all the invisible inflation that was being kept at bay by artificial currency non-parity disappeared.
(DIR) Post #AaSaijmJpmrXScuDGC by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-05T12:41:47.175582Z
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@BowsacNoodle @Twiglet @realcaseyrollins afaict we haven't corrected shit. Money printing is full tilt but it's going to defense contractors and Ukraine. I would think a correction would be a reduction of total supply.
(DIR) Post #AaSb7J9hxDVm8CYtf6 by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T12:46:12Z
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@thatguyoverthere @BowsacNoodle @Twiglet > I would think a correction would be a reduction of total supply.This is true. I told @Marbleturtle the other day that the problem would only go away if the government of the #USA got a big collection of cash together and burnt it all.
(DIR) Post #AaSc4nofbNceJE5gX2 by porkcow@shitposter.club
2023-10-05T12:56:59.433334Z
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@Twiglet @realcaseyrollins @wjmaggos >You want Newt Gingrich to make Handmaiden's tale real and send scholars back to the cotton fields?Woodchipper every roasty with blood on her hands, send racial others to Africa, and set up Clarence Thomas with a cushy job as their unquestioned dictator.The GOP is not as cool as you're making them out to be.
(DIR) Post #AaScJhGwDNfGMBPnEm by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T12:59:38Z
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@porkcow @Twiglet @wjmaggos There aren't many real human beings that want THAT type of "utopia" 😂
(DIR) Post #AaScXGlrXh6oDdLrhQ by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-10-05T13:02:07.621834Z
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@realcaseyrollins @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle Too much m1/m2 in circulation to actually do much with physical destruction of currency. I think if they can inflate faster than they print new money, they'll hopefully be able to get stability with a devalued dollar. Their hope, not mine. I want things to not be broken and usury based.
(DIR) Post #AaSdiyGgGHa2GJuUZU by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-05T13:15:26.962987Z
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@realcaseyrollins @BowsacNoodle @Twiglet @Marbleturtle yeah I don't know if it's currency or just supply. I say printing but really I just mean creatio ex nihilo which these days happens on computers before and no printing actually has to take place for it to inflate the supply.
(DIR) Post #AaSeXJeh1CEP4a9Eno by Xenophon@nicecrew.digital
2023-10-05T13:24:32.078934Z
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Niggers arent Christian
(DIR) Post #AaSewGlatZx5LyH5pw by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T13:29:02Z
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@thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @BowsacNoodle @Marbleturtle I think it's supply. We should consider any imaginary creation of more #USD digitally (do we do this?) to be the same as printing more money.But it explains why the economy went so bad once #Trump signed all those stimmies, as he ballooned the supply.
(DIR) Post #AaSfKanA5rEWPWbddw by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-05T13:33:25.870812Z
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@realcaseyrollins @Twiglet @BowsacNoodle @Marbleturtle The entire US federal government budget is created this way. The tax dollars just pay off some of the interest. That's why we can spend so frivolously without having to immediately increase taxation. It's also why the "debt ceiling" is a joke. The stimmies definitely got the ball rolling, but I think a good bit of money was created to speed up vaccine research too, and then of course there's Ukraine.
(DIR) Post #AaSfWBMQTK430ocwIC by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-05T13:35:32.877531Z
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@realcaseyrollins @BowsacNoodle @Marbleturtle @Twiglet > We should consider any imaginary creation of more #USD digitally to be the same as printing more moneyYes this is why I just calling it printing, but then it gets confused with the notes. I'm pretty sure that in a fractional reserve banking system even smaller banks create new money when they hand out loans.
(DIR) Post #AaSfpKH9YC8oACHzN2 by EssentialUtinsil@poa.st
2023-10-05T13:39:00.797960Z
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@thatguyoverthere @BowsacNoodle @Twiglet @realcaseyrollins fool.com/investing/2023/09/03/money-supply-great-depression-ominous-sign-stocks/
(DIR) Post #AaSgz5AafVPSACR4Jk by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T13:51:57Z
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@thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @BowsacNoodle @Marbleturtle > The tax dollars just pay off some of the interest. That's why we can spend so frivolously without having to immediately increase taxation.Interesting, I didn't know that! TBH I had no idea why we still pay taxes, looking at the ratio of tax revenue to expenditures.> then of course there's Ukraine.That didn't happen under #Trump though, I thought the point of this thread was criticism of #Trump's policies
(DIR) Post #AaSjHm32Bf68GhwSJM by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-05T14:17:45.503461Z
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@realcaseyrollins @Twiglet @BowsacNoodle @Marbleturtle > I thought the point of this thread wasI didn't scroll up :smirk:I think he overused the Executive Order (they all do). I think economically he seemed to be doing ok up to the pandemic. I think he trusted the experts a little too much [although I don't know that I'd want a person in a position of such power that was completely unwilling to take advice from people more knowledgable either]. He fell for 2 weeks to slow the spread. He fell for the stimmies. He also fell for bumpstocks and flavored e-liquid. He acts quickly which isn't necessarily bad, but I don't think he course corrects fast enough.
(DIR) Post #AaSjWd6PjE2krtbewi by CatLord@poa.st
2023-10-05T14:20:27.174473Z
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@realcaseyrollins Mark Levin is a racial jew and this colours his analysis.
(DIR) Post #AaSkATCrwMpzlBcgvg by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-05T14:27:38.909543Z
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@EssentialUtinsil @Twiglet @BowsacNoodle @realcaseyrollins https://invidious.flokinet.to/watch?v=tf49AfxGw5U > Governments around the world are trying to increase unemploymentI guess maybe he's right then :Thinker:
(DIR) Post #AaSmaoRLohnT3J5N56 by BowsacNoodle@poa.st
2023-10-05T14:54:49.233127Z
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@realcaseyrollins @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle >TBH I had no idea why we still pay taxes, looking at the ratio of tax revenue to expenditures.Fair question. The idea is that we pay some interest and economic growth offsets some via borrowing. ✨ Magic ✨ power of GDP providing additional credit because the assumption is our entire system becomes more robust and capable of repaying debt. As the economy becomes more financialized, that assumption becomes less reasonable, particularly because lack of manufacturing means we become more dependent on other nations (east Asia is our factory now) and their potential instability and challenges become our own. A lot of it is also other countries buying our debt to protect and hedge their own currency (we do the same) and US citizens buying bonds and such. During the mid 90s, there was talk about what to do when we paid off the national debt, because the tech bubble made it look like it was certain to happen within a decade.
(DIR) Post #AaSmmQw520Bld704wK by chiclet@infosec.exchange
2023-10-05T14:46:50Z
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@thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @BowsacNoodle@poa.st @realcaseyrollins @Marbleturtle "I think economically he seemed to be doing ok up to the pandemic"That's like saying, "I was doing fine studying for the test, until I took the test"
(DIR) Post #AaSmmRmXsw9kFpXyiW by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T14:56:42Z
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@chiclet @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle 😂 What an apples and oranges comparison!It's more like saying "I was fine in Accounting I, but I failed Principles of Business after that". There are some things that are similar, sure, but a situation where there's a pandemic will always be different than a situation where there isn't one.
(DIR) Post #AaSoADy6zjGqJhrJ4K by Monsignor_DickFace@poa.st
2023-10-05T15:12:25.802130Z
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@Xenophon @Twiglet @realcaseyrollins Niggers aren't human. Therefore the possibility of becoming Christian is out of the question.
(DIR) Post #AaSoaYXf7rPheZ2k3k by chiclet@infosec.exchange
2023-10-05T15:17:10Z
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@realcaseyrollins @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle The economy isn't managed day-to-day by the president. Even the Fed, which has the most control, doesn't "run" the economy.The pandemic was the first real test.Prior to the pandemic, the economy was running just fine on its own momentum from the Obama era stimulus growth.Look at any chart about any economic growth metric over time. The economy was going up pretty steadily since it turned the corner from the Great recession.Unemployment was dropping and GDP was rising. All at the same steady pace since Obama.But presidents tend to take credit for long-term trends that preceded them. "Lowest unemployment of all time"? Or "highest ___ in modern history"?Yeah, absolute numbers are impressive but statistically misleading. You have to look at charts and trends, over long-term.The economy of a country like ours is huge. It's a freighter ship that takes years to turn. Yes, it's easy and much faster to scuttle. But takes years to make course corrections.
(DIR) Post #AaSp1cp3JqMWkQ5K88 by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T15:22:03Z
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@chiclet @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle > The economy isn't managed day-to-day by the president.Never said it was. But presidents can pass policies that influence the economy nonetheless, such as choosing to drill and frack more, which makes it cheaper to acquire oil since people trying to use oil and natural gas can get it domestically rather than importing it from other countries (who BTW aquire their oil in dirtier ways that cause more emissions), or lowering taxes, both of which are things that #Trump did.> Unemployment was dropping and GDP was rising. All at the same steady pace since Obama.> > But presidents tend to take credit for long-term trends that preceded them. "Lowest unemployment of all time"? Or "highest ___ in modern history"?What about inflation? That's part of the economy too.
(DIR) Post #AaSpYTOZOEWp4AMR9s by AmericanChampion@poa.st
2023-10-05T15:28:00.970011Z
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@Twiglet @realcaseyrollins They should also teach the benefits of buck breaking so as to include the lgbtq+ community
(DIR) Post #AaSru3wKued6OfZque by chiclet@infosec.exchange
2023-10-05T15:54:17Z
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@realcaseyrollins @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle True.Making it easier to lease cheaper land for drilling and reducing regulation to allow fracking in more areas, it's a great example of economic policy that takes years to show an impact.Just like incentives for electric vehicles and solar panels. Policies that take years, possibly even decades to have the desired effect.Lowering taxes, like a direct stimulus package, is a bit quicker. But the effects are also temporary.Remember that Trump tax cuts were designed to expire at a politically advantageous time. Both tax cuts and stimulus checks have contributed to the inflation we experienced this year.And again, inflation manifested years after the contributing factors were in put in motion.
(DIR) Post #AaSsCCHocTfjUmGsRU by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T15:57:35Z
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@chiclet @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle Agree on everything, except that I don't think that subsidies for EVs in particular help the economy because it kneecaps the traditional vehicle market, which is still pretty lucrative in the #USA, and I'm not sure how lowering taxes would contribute to inflation either.
(DIR) Post #AaT48VvAsIXQgQgufY by chiclet@infosec.exchange
2023-10-05T18:11:22Z
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@realcaseyrollins @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle Incentives for EV's shifts dependency from fossil fuel to electricity. Growing one market at the expense of another takes time.But the fossil fuel industry has enjoyed decades of incentives like tax breaks and low interest loans and land investments.The benefit comes when we can start reducing those subsidies, which are much higher over time than direct subsidies for green technologies.On the consumer side, people like me were fairly insulated from high gas prices because there were incentives to buy electric vehicles years ago. And this certainly increased my buying power even during inflation.For vehicle production, gasoline / diesel engines and multi-speed transmissions have been lucrative for those businesses who pay taxes. Yes I agree. That's why battery production must be equally local and lucrative. But again, it takes decades to build up a brand new industry. It's already started, but still will take time.As far as lower taxes contributing to inflation...That's pretty basic macro econ. Consumers having lower tax burdens increases their spending power with disposable income which they then put back into the economy. A sharp increase in consumer spending raises demand for all sorts of products and services and thus shifts the demand curves. Since lowering taxes is fairly instant, but supply increases could not move equally as fast, The prices will rise.That's why a stimulus check is very similar in effect to lower taxes.
(DIR) Post #AaT56jRri3ls0phEOW by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T18:22:15Z
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@chiclet @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle > Incentives for EV's shifts dependency from fossil fuel to electricity. Growing one market at the expense of another takes time.It could, but that would take at the very least 20 more years, I'd imagine. In the meantime, it damages the national economy by driving (hehe) people to buy natural gas vehicles from foreign nations rather than at home (many people still don't know how many #EV chargers there are in the #USA so they balk at getting an #EV).> But the fossil fuel industry has enjoyed decades of incentives like tax breaks and low interest loans and land investments.This is a very fair point as well though.> Consumers having lower tax burdens increases their spending power with disposable income which they then put back into the economy. A sharp increase in consumer spending raises demand for all sorts of products and services and thus shifts the demand curves.Interesting. A fair argument, but I'm not sure if I agree entirely. Did a quick #Google search and it looks like economists are pretty split on the effect taxes have on inflation.I would posit though, that I'd be more apt to agree with you if the government didn't spend its money, but it does, especially on domestic things such as the military industrial complex. Not sure if the government spending money domestically would have significantly different effects than the citizenry spending money domestically.
(DIR) Post #AaTCRF9oE5OHpHyicC by chiclet@infosec.exchange
2023-10-05T19:44:23Z
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@realcaseyrollins @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle I don't understand how incentives for electric vehicles would cause people to buy natural gas vehicles.The EV transition could indeed take 20 more years, but positive effects can reach an inflection point much sooner. The acceleration in the last 5 years alone has been impressive.
(DIR) Post #AaTCkHxw0acc2SVPZQ by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-05T19:47:51Z
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@chiclet @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle > I don't understand how incentives for electric vehicles would cause people to buy natural gas vehicles.They certainly don't incentivize them to buy more of them than they usually would, what I said was they could cause people to buy gas vehicles from international manufacturers rather than domestic manufacturers.> The EV transition could indeed take 20 more years, but positive effects can reach an inflection point much sooner. The acceleration in the last 5 years alone has been impressive.True.I'm not environmentalist (I'm not even sold on the "climate agenda" yet), but EVs are pretty cool, and I'm glad that they're more accessible. I do wish that more EVs are plug-in hybrids, since I think being able to support more forms of energy is better than just transitioning from one to another, and plug would be a smart way to onboard traditional vehicle users to the world of #EV, but I'm even starting to see more plug-in hybrids getting announced, which is very exciting!
(DIR) Post #AaTJYBz77SBth2Ei36 by Twiglet@mindly.social
2023-10-05T21:04:05Z
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@realcaseyrollins There are literally hundreds of articles on Christian nationalism and the #gop. NYT, Guardian, The Atlantic. There is also a #whitenationalism hash tag here on mastodon and on every other social media service, with links to Republicans spouting this shit.They want to whitewash slavery bcos they want to bring it back. Make no mistake about it. Womens rights and racial equality r what they think is wrong with the world.And then there's gun control ...
(DIR) Post #AaTQUUb8fmCxwTCm9Y by chiclet@infosec.exchange
2023-10-05T22:21:51Z
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@realcaseyrollins @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle Oh, I thought you said natural gas which is a another alternative niche, slightly greener vehicle.It really depends on how the incentives are specified. Previous incentive schemes were not specific to domestic production. Things like rebates that allow for any automaker. But there are other incentives, like grants for domestic battery manufacturing.Similar to how Biden is trying to incentivize domestic production in the tech industries. These incentives for electric vehicles don't necessarily prioritize helping US businesses. The agenda for fixing climate change is much bigger than that. It certainly is not good for any economy to be spending billions of dollars on disaster recovery.Whether you live in hurricane areas, or affected by drought, there's exponentially growing costs to dealing with the fallout of the climate.It's only an extra added bonus if US businesses can profit from a brand new industry that can be developed.I too had preferred plug-in hybrid technology. That's what my car is. After driving it for years, I realize I don't really need the gas engine, and would have preferred full EV. I only visit gas stations now if I travel and rent a car somewhere. I can no longer get outraged about fluctuating gas prices. I have to hold my tongue to not tell everyone "I told you so". But it's true, gas prices surge for a variety of reasons once or twice a decade. Why people are so surprised and start blaming people, it's ridiculous. It's going to happen again and all I can say is, "transition to electric NOW so you don't have to worry about it".
(DIR) Post #AaTbiLnxGIH8Di0hNY by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-06T00:27:38Z
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@Twiglet > There are literally hundreds of articles on Christian nationalism and the #gop. NYT, Guardian, The Atlantic.It seems as though you are reading op eds and taking them as fact, which is unfortunate.
(DIR) Post #AaTcNRciX5GO8iLhc8 by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-06T00:35:03Z
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@chiclet @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle > I too had preferred plug-in hybrid technology. That's what my car is. After driving it for years, I realize I don't really need the gas engine, and would have preferred full EV. I only visit gas stations now if I travel and rent a car somewhere. Yes but that's the thing, I don't want to have to rent a whole different vehicle just to take a trip to the boondocks. I can have a plug-in hybrid and just not use gas for 95% of the time I'm in the vehicle.> I can no longer get outraged about fluctuating gas prices. I have to hold my tongue to not tell everyone "I told you so". But it's true, gas prices surge for a variety of reasons once or twice a decade. Why people are so surprised and start blaming people, it's ridiculous. It's going to happen again and all I can say is, "transition to electric NOW so you don't have to worry about it".I think it'd be a bit naive to presume that once everyone is using EVs, subsidies will maintain the same structure and prices will remain steady though. This is just an incentive to get people to move to electric vehicles. I see no reason what #EV power providers wouldn't jack up prices, or at least not be tethered by price fixing by the government, once they're ubiquitous. Price fluctuations are a natural part of supply and demand but these companies might want to manipulate or take advantage of those effect. And on top of that, the demand for power to #EV charging stations isn't strong enough to do much to #EV charging prices even if they were operating under a free market system.That said, take advantage of the good #EV charging prices when you can. That's what I plan to do when I get an #EV in the future Lord willing.
(DIR) Post #AaTdx2UnXBKKaQBJrM by Twiglet@mindly.social
2023-10-06T00:52:41Z
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@realcaseyrollins is this gonna b the same way I was lying about the gop saying slavery was beneficial to the slaves bcos "no one thinks that" until it turned out they actually do ?The many articles evidencing republican christian nationalism include links to utube videos and tweets of Republicans saying just that. They r not attempting to hide it or deny it. They r proud of it.U seem like a smart and educated guy and I cannot understand y u vote for a party led by a rapist.
(DIR) Post #AaTeA5sAI3iCpAKu6C by chiclet@infosec.exchange
2023-10-06T00:55:02Z
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@realcaseyrollins @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle Different people have different use cases of course. I think it's just common, like I did, to overestimate the need for long road trips.I simply don't drive as much as I used to. A lot of people also think roadside charging stations for road trips, are too slow. As if they would marathon driving 8 hours straight without a break. But in reality, the driver should need a 45-minute break every couple of hours when the battery gets depleted. I agree that subsidies should not continue once electric vehicle production reaches critical mass. I wished fossil fuel subsidies ended the same way but once power is entrenched, those lobbyists squat permanently.But that's just politics. The same way a Republican politician might lower taxes but there's always a well timed expiration so that when the opposing party takes over, they can get accused of raising taxes.So politicians are afraid to remove subsidies as well.I've done a lot of work studying the economics of fossil fuels versus electricity production. They are very different.The reason why gas prices are so volatile over the decades is a complex topic. Even when domestic production is at an all-time high, imports still affect prices greatly.Electricity production is an order of magnitude more diverse, which nearly eliminates a lot of the economic pitfalls which causes volatility in the market.Not just the price fixing, but since electricity can be made from many sources, it really isn't subject to such wild swings in price.And of course the ultimate consumer benefit with electricity, the ability to generate your own. For someone with their own property, it's possible to take care of water with a well, sewage with a septic system, grow your own food maybe, and generate your own electricity. But refining gasoline or diesel (I've tried biodiesel) is pretty much out of reach.The economics of refueling or recharging your car is also vastly different. I am only dependent on public services if I take road trips, which is rare.Imagine what it would be like if every home had a slow dripping faucet that produced gasoline. With the economics of a dense network of gas station really ever be profitable?
(DIR) Post #AaUdmFk28nKhdk7mRk by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-06T12:25:27Z
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@Twiglet Okay dude. You clearly lack some reading skills so I'll drop this convo. I try to only talk to people who listen.
(DIR) Post #AaUe2CfzIyk8laq0wq by jaimevisser@mastodon.nl
2023-10-06T05:44:46Z
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@chiclet @realcaseyrollins @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle Exactly. We have a short range and a long range EV. The long range (LR Model 3) works great for road trips (Netherlands to Switzerland, UK) and the short range (Zoë 41kWh, no fast charging) still has enough range for both our commutes, grocery trips and visiting family.On road trips we need more toilet breaks than the car needs charging breaks (and it charges faster than we do) so there's no time loss anyway.
(DIR) Post #AaUe2Dot3NSKJU0dSS by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-06T12:28:19Z
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@jaimevisser @chiclet @thatguyoverthere @Twiglet @Marbleturtle > A lot of people also think roadside charging stations for road trips, are too slow. As if they would marathon driving 8 hours straight without a break. But in reality, the driver should need a 45-minute break every couple of hours when the battery gets depleted. Hmm? 45 minutes is a bit much, that's definitely a downside. That said, I'm sure charging technology will get better over time.
(DIR) Post #AaUeN1oStDc79jjVtg by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-06T12:32:06.588946Z
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@realcaseyrollins @jaimevisser @chiclet @Twiglet @Marbleturtle I have had traffic make a 3 hour trip take 7 before. I've also known several people who have driven more than 8 hours in a single day with nothing but a few 15 minute breaks (myself included).
(DIR) Post #AaUeXwjw5jFibjoxKS by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-06T12:34:04Z
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@thatguyoverthere @chiclet @jaimevisser @Twiglet @Marbleturtle I think with proper rest, you shouldn't need breaks longer than 15 minutes.I took an 8 hour drive once. The way there, I only took 15 minute naps, but by the time I had to head back home I was so tired that most of my breaks were about 30 minutes or so.
(DIR) Post #AaUeeufcBWU0DR7bZQ by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-06T12:35:20.624562Z
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@realcaseyrollins @chiclet @jaimevisser @Twiglet @Marbleturtle really long trips with multiple drivers allow you to take longer breaks if need be too. I've driven up and down the east coast with friends and when one of us gets tired of driving just switch.
(DIR) Post #AaUeoc99uSDdf6ZBYm by jaimevisser@mastodon.nl
2023-10-06T12:37:03Z
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@realcaseyrollins @thatguyoverthere @chiclet @Twiglet @Marbleturtle That's still doable with an EV.
(DIR) Post #AaUerPMxs73Wu1M9b6 by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-06T12:37:35Z
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@jaimevisser @thatguyoverthere @chiclet @Twiglet @Marbleturtle 15 minute breaks? So an #EV charges as quickly as a gas vehicle?
(DIR) Post #AaUevnhbLRBHWn6TWi by jaimevisser@mastodon.nl
2023-10-06T12:38:21Z
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@realcaseyrollins @thatguyoverthere @chiclet @Twiglet @Marbleturtle some do, yeah.
(DIR) Post #AaUeyWhR16SrfDKEEK by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-06T12:38:53Z
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@jaimevisser @thatguyoverthere @chiclet @Twiglet @Marbleturtle Interesting. Which are those? I'd like to keep an eye on them since I want to buy an #EV in the (mid-distant) future.
(DIR) Post #AaUf3cWimLelBUk8P2 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-06T12:39:48.353119Z
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@realcaseyrollins @jaimevisser @chiclet @Twiglet @Marbleturtle the first 80% or so on some chargers can be fairly quick, but I doubt you can even find charging stations frequently enough to avoid fully charging up. Also who wants to plan a trip based on where they can plug their car in.
(DIR) Post #AaUfDjdTCebi7zisTI by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-06T12:41:37Z
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@thatguyoverthere @chiclet @jaimevisser @Twiglet @Marbleturtle Exactly, which I think that plug-in hybrids are the move. But is 80% really that bad? Forgot about the fact that charging a device to 80% is way quicker than charging it to 100%.
(DIR) Post #AaUfFUnrJwgQhmQDIW by EssentialUtinsil@poa.st
2023-10-06T12:41:57.610884Z
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@thatguyoverthere @realcaseyrollins @chiclet @jaimevisser @Twiglet @Marbleturtle I can do 5 hours without stopping no problem, I used to do an 8-10hr drive several times a year with usually one break halfway to stop for food plus a couple quick stops for gas. also in the midwest, snowstorms can turn an hour commute (common for a lot of people) into 2 or more, and running out of juice on the interstate in a snowstorm would be incredibly dangerous. rare situation I'm sure, but people do think about those things.
(DIR) Post #AaUfM2sVXldk7lieuW by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-10-06T12:43:08.338775Z
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@realcaseyrollins @Marbleturtle @Twiglet @chiclet @jaimevisser I don't travel like I used to so honestly if I could afford a good home charging unit an ev for daily use would probably be fine. I'd still need my truck for getting things done though.
(DIR) Post #AaUfP8x5PxNxpZL1hg by EssentialUtinsil@poa.st
2023-10-06T12:43:42.272043Z
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@realcaseyrollins @jaimevisser @thatguyoverthere @chiclet @Twiglet @Marbleturtle it takes about 5min to fill up my 20gal gas tank.
(DIR) Post #AaVdkWJXkNtPcOrr1M by Twiglet@mindly.social
2023-10-06T23:59:50Z
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@realcaseyrollins U r accusing me of lacking reading skills when u have twice been caught out in ignorance in the cause of this conversation.60+ judges found there to be no evidence of the election fraud your grifting cult leader spouted. Were they too lacking reading skills?
(DIR) Post #AaVvZBXSRqzLAp7Xrk by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-07T03:19:29Z
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@Twiglet There's no reason for me to listen to you when you're not listening to me.Talking past each other is unproductive.
(DIR) Post #AaW1WzLrO77yWQ21zc by Twiglet@mindly.social
2023-10-07T04:26:19Z
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@realcaseyrollinsWhat has actually happened here is that I have evidenced factual examples of vile conservative policies and behavious that u know r wrong and can't dispute in any way that is consistent with a basic understanding of democracy, decency and human rights.
(DIR) Post #AaW6yQwPQ0Ftg9281Y by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
2023-10-07T05:27:18Z
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@Twiglet Tell yourself that if you like! 👍🏾 That narrative is clearly easier for you to understand than what I have said in this thread.
(DIR) Post #AaWSl4nGeHmmDUnFnk by Twiglet@mindly.social
2023-10-07T09:31:23Z
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@realcaseyrollins you have said nothing that survived critical analysis.All you've done is follow the MAGA script.1. It didn't happen2. Ok it did happen but it's not so bad3 Ok it is bad but I don't care.The ironic thing for me is I'm white and I'm rich. They r not gonna boot me out of my home and put me in a ghetto bcos they've rezoned my suburb whites only. That's u they're gonna do that to and do not think it will not happen. The jews of Germany thought it wouldn't happen either.