Post AaRO76aYcfRQXFsMy0 by riadnasla@mstdn.ca
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(DIR) Post #AaQnGGImBLKCxk3tui by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-04T15:52:41Z
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The "New Outlook" demands that when adding your Gmail account, you also give Microsoft a copy of all your email, contacts, and calendar data. The "Learn More" link confirms: "Syncing your account to the Microsoft Cloud means that a copy of your email, calendar, and contacts will be synchronized between your email provider and Microsoft data centers."WOW. Good time to switch to @thunderbird, folks! #Privacy #Outlook #Email
(DIR) Post #AaQnStMklgkdaowdJw by gerowen@mastodon.social
2023-10-04T15:54:53Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Your personal data is the new oil.
(DIR) Post #AaQnupAZxo8YgcZMo4 by ReverseModule@mstdn.games
2023-10-04T15:59:57Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Holy cow! This is absolute insanity!
(DIR) Post #AaQo2ptP9whxFHMAXQ by my_actual_brain@fosstodon.org
2023-10-04T16:01:23Z
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@thunderbird @killyourfm I’m in disbelief. This is truly insane. Microsoft keeps walking away from the direction I want them to go. I just need two apps to release on Linux and I’m all set. I’m migrating one workflow, but my main app is not on Linux yet.
(DIR) Post #AaQo8wsS6U8oe4pGAi by winghongchan@social.opendesktop.org
2023-10-04T16:02:26Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird oopsWell now Microsoft has 12 GB of my emailsI used the built in apps because of live tiles and being able to see my calendar events when clicking on the taskbar clock. Can third-party apps integrate like that, or do I need to migrate back to GNOME/KDE for that?
(DIR) Post #AaQoMDrWGVPJ5VidTk by Ariantoser@chaotic.social
2023-10-04T16:04:58Z
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@killyourfmAnd no one of your contacts will be asked if he / she is fine with this data sharing!!You are not permitted to send ANY personal data of ANY of your contacts to any cloud. Or do you own a signed permission for this from all of your contacts?@thunderbird @schenklklopfer
(DIR) Post #AaQoQPVAvo1OLVGSkS by ThePlant@mastodon.social
2023-10-04T16:05:43Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird that seems pretty ridiculous, what will they do with all that data huh? Nothing bad i’m sure…
(DIR) Post #AaQoir1zJiQ2wGPJ56 by Belganon@mastodon.social
2023-10-04T16:09:04Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Utiliser Gmail ou tout autre service Google relevé de l’hérésie. Utilisez plutôt les service de #ProtonMail@protonmail
(DIR) Post #AaQopW6tUyk054sYZE by lyonsinbeta@mastodon.social
2023-10-04T16:10:15Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird also a good time to switch to @fastmail.
(DIR) Post #AaQp54G6oiu6KobWlc by inanedirk@metalhead.club
2023-10-04T16:13:03Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird hmm. I think the "new outlook" is nothing more than a shell that displays the web version of outlook. Since nothing is actually left on your local device, this is just a side effect of Microsoft's attempt to make everything cloud'y. Sure is convenient though, of course. 😂
(DIR) Post #AaQscSUy10rKvoASMC by dogemocenigo@ioc.exchange
2023-10-04T16:52:43Z
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@killyourfm I suppose the next step will be to offer some advanced features for free if you then migrate everything to a Microsoft Product, which would also be instantaneous. And, after a couple of years they will ask money for that, since nobody reads the fine print.
(DIR) Post #AaQt21oxp9dNioiJ4y by bartvdpoel@mastodon.green
2023-10-04T16:57:21Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Something tells me storage is too cheap.
(DIR) Post #AaQtigH3oJ7xLcC4x6 by Kadae@social.vivaldi.net
2023-10-04T17:05:01Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Giving contacts and calendar data to Google - yes, yes, yes.Giving contacts and calendar data to Microsoft - no, no, no.
(DIR) Post #AaQtmLUN21ea2dAPiK by FritzAdalis@infosec.exchange
2023-10-04T17:05:44Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that's how Outlook Mobile has worked since Microsoft bought it from Accompli (and before). If you were already using it then Microsoft already has a copy.
(DIR) Post #AaQuS2XFtGvHQ9OibA by servelan@newsie.social
2023-10-04T17:12:58Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird I recommend Thunderbird. Easy to use. Vivaldi has built-in mail as well.
(DIR) Post #AaQuXrmemGk5oSNcDw by obscurestar@mastodon.social
2023-10-04T17:14:18Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird The best time to stop using Outlook was 20 years ago. The second best time is immediately.
(DIR) Post #AaQv4pOuesG5yizVzc by corpsmoderne@mamot.fr
2023-10-04T17:20:15Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird the large language model gods need their data sacrifices.
(DIR) Post #AaQvkja4gesC5gC75E by Mary625@mstdn.social
2023-10-04T17:27:51Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird I can't even use my work email address without it logging me into Microsoft 365. I have my own license for office and I DO NOT WANT 365. So I just stopped using outlook
(DIR) Post #AaQwGOfby4gMVIskkK by billseitz@toolsforthought.rocks
2023-10-04T17:33:32Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird The best time to drop Outlook was 20 years ago. The next-best-time is now.
(DIR) Post #AaQwRAzv8rqFHjWP8y by SaschaFreud@mas.to
2023-10-04T17:35:23Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Thunderbird is *great* going on more than 20 years of using it!
(DIR) Post #AaQwbpVzM3eZqJbKl6 by imadnyc@mstdn.social
2023-10-04T17:37:24Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird also try mailspring!
(DIR) Post #AaQwkdsXzG7cMOM3iy by BubblegumYeti@mastodon.social
2023-10-04T17:38:55Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Errr?? Google also has your emails no?
(DIR) Post #AaQy2N3nMBABMgdL16 by Mulderc@xoxo.zone
2023-10-04T17:53:19Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird why anyone would ever willingly use outlook is beyond me. Worst email app I have ever seen and you can usually use other alternative, even in a work environment.
(DIR) Post #AaQyxadvWqd9ztomHY by rticks@mastodon.social
2023-10-04T18:03:45Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird They ALL suckhttps://youtu.be/9ic3cqHwRWo?si=YVPHY8_HxuvpxGTo
(DIR) Post #AaQzSBhOJvZ9bz1pYG by melgu@norden.social
2023-10-04T18:09:18Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird It’s the same for all email providers. Microsoft also wanted to get all my data from IONOS.
(DIR) Post #AaQzqY4Inp6lwJMRu4 by bleuenzian@norden.social
2023-10-04T18:13:36Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Thank you for information!
(DIR) Post #AaR0ucaW2aeD4Lw0mW by alanthecampbell@techhub.social
2023-10-04T18:25:30Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird already there and have been for years
(DIR) Post #AaR1UnBa7ESCMYWGp6 by tehstu@hachyderm.io
2023-10-04T18:32:10Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird This is enough to push me to try Thunderbird. I tried adding my Outlook email but received an error, trying both IMAP and POP3. I later received an email from Microsoft advising me to create an app password for whatever I was trying to do that failed, because I have 2FA enabled. Hope this is useful to anyone reading this thread.
(DIR) Post #AaR1ZFzQxsKEr5xyqW by th0r4g@mastodon.social
2023-10-04T18:32:55Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Ich leiste mir eine Domain mit Email Hosting (IMAP) und nutze Thunderbird.Den GMail Account nutze ich noch für Account Registrierungen und die Mails von da leite ich alle weiter.Damit fahre ich die letzten Jahre sehr gut. Quasi gar kein Spam.
(DIR) Post #AaR1b2HetWGOvTL5Wa by Frances_Larina@sfba.social
2023-10-04T18:33:16Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Wait; why are you adding Gmal access to Outlook if you don't want it to access Gmail?I'm at a bit of a loss as to how Outlook would be able to act as a client for Gmail without access to that data? I mean, that's sorta the of adding your Gmail account to Outlook (which is something I would never do, for just this reason).
(DIR) Post #AaR224DLpCfSjSDJUu by totentanz@metalhead.club
2023-10-04T18:38:12Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird No thanks, M$. Never again.
(DIR) Post #AaR2EgRZVyh4m0siES by pinecones_sx@mastodon.world
2023-10-04T18:40:28Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird I wonder if I can use this to finally migrate my personal Gmail account to my personal Outlook account... 🤔
(DIR) Post #AaR3JZWalbmgiU7mIy by bkoehn@hachyderm.io
2023-10-04T18:52:32Z
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@killyourfm I never put anything on a Google account that is important (the only Google account I have belongs to a partner). Giving the data to another vendor to scan simply lowers the value of that data to Google, which wouldn't bother me much.
(DIR) Post #AaR3x3UnGku8xo6uMy by vendetta@techhub.social
2023-10-04T18:59:42Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Wanna get straight to the point - what else could be expected from Google or Microsoft? It's a bit obvious. The first mistake was to use Gmail/Outlook.
(DIR) Post #AaR5WX6JI2Yis78hKC by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-04T19:17:20Z
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@vendetta @thunderbird Just to be 100% clear, I'm not using Outlook personally. This was a screenshot used to make a point.
(DIR) Post #AaR5YIbGAt58TfSSCO by diarra@framapiaf.org
2023-10-04T19:17:36Z
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@killyourfm:flan_set_fire: Ahah —Looks like big data wars make big tech dogs agressivesAnd it's so sad that the general public don't give a F about leaking their data that much :capitaine_haddock: @thunderbird
(DIR) Post #AaRAwhJORoyZqBYRJQ by di0v0n@graz.social
2023-10-04T20:17:55Z
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@killyourfmBut when you are using #gmail you give #google access to your mails. so better to use some mail provider who takes care of your privacy. @thunderbird
(DIR) Post #AaRB7qqFM8psaBEvxI by santoperdido@me.dm
2023-10-04T20:20:04Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird I'm going to give a shout-out to 9Folders. I've been using it for years and have never had a single issue. I've used Thunderbird in the past and it's definitely highly recommended, as well. I found it a little clunky to configure, which was probably the only bad thing I could say about it.
(DIR) Post #AaRDCpLaXWzPItOrvk by Heliograph@mastodon.au
2023-10-04T20:43:21Z
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@killyourfm already Thunderbirding since nineteenninetynine :akko_fistup: :awesome: @thunderbird
(DIR) Post #AaRDMWQJkisNVbEdF2 by Ailuridae@hachyderm.io
2023-10-04T20:45:09Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Best bet not to use Outlook or Gmail :-)
(DIR) Post #AaREyMwFZ8PP39mXOy by ppatel@mstdn.social
2023-10-04T21:03:08Z
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I have questions about this post From @killyourfm about Microsoft wanting to sync your Gmail to their own cloud. Will Microsoft have access to these, meaning will your data be encrypted or will Microsoft be able to read and analyze it for purposes other than letting you have access? There are more questions. But we can start with that.https://layer8.space/users/killyourfm/statuses/111177548524347041
(DIR) Post #AaRGQearcNXFrupVGS by GuyDudeman@beige.party
2023-10-04T21:19:29Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird We shouldn't be using Gmail anymore to begin with. We should be hosting our own email servers and we should have control over our data. But that's not really an option right now.
(DIR) Post #AaRHJ7gze3zbkqfaAC by sapphireangel@mastodon.online
2023-10-04T21:29:20Z
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@arush @thunderbird @killyourfm I left thunderbird because of constant issues.
(DIR) Post #AaRHbv6oeds4EIi9ei by leif@det.social
2023-10-04T21:32:45Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird I can remember that there is a way to add an email accounts via imap/smtp without piping all the mails and contacts through MS Server. But it's hard not to overlook. Most of the intelligent feature of outlook needs some kind of processing on their server, that is the argument of MS. Not that i want to defend MS! Anyhow Google ist doing the same with all mails and contacts on their servers. In the end the stuff will be processed twice here.😉
(DIR) Post #AaRIpQqO4kgyNB294a by Fungi455@mastodon.social
2023-10-04T21:46:21Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird I see the privacy concern. I don't see why it's not justified. Outlook is a Microsoft product. While it technically is an email client, it's optimized for a Microsoft Outlook email much like the iPhone email app is optimized for iCloud emails. Your Microsoft account can also be tied to either a Microsoft Outlook account, or a Gmail account. It makes sense that to use all features outlook has to offer, your content would need to be moved to Microsoft servers. 1/2
(DIR) Post #AaRKgkUdqnhccFqjqa by DryBird227@mastodon.social
2023-10-04T22:07:10Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird There was a time in america when tech people and tech companies didn't act like stalkery ex-boy friends.Right now is not that time.
(DIR) Post #AaRLcgGJjuY2I0m1DM by frabcus@mastodon.social
2023-10-04T22:17:39Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird I assume this is strategically critical for them, so they can index it with LLM embeddings, and offer you AI with ability to read your email archive and write new messages for you?Pretty severe privacy loss. But alas I think will be popular.
(DIR) Post #AaRM1wHtIKIRENYO5A by Neblib@mastodo.neoliber.al
2023-10-04T22:22:17Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird that does seem a necessary permission to sync to their cloud, are you saying there isn't an option to no sync to MS cloud?
(DIR) Post #AaRMfTUNmnd7UtFTKy by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-04T22:29:25Z
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@ThePlant @thunderbird certainly not training AI….
(DIR) Post #AaRNoj3XNTFqL0fPrk by staringatclouds@mastodon.social
2023-10-04T22:42:19Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird I only use Outlook for my junk mail address, I don't send mail from it & have no contacts on itMicro $ oft are welcome to that crap
(DIR) Post #AaRO76aYcfRQXFsMy0 by riadnasla@mstdn.ca
2023-10-04T22:45:34Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Thunderbird for the win! I see they've put a lot of work into their client and have also bought K9 and are working to integrate it as an android solution.
(DIR) Post #AaROyTlz9djTmvfigS by w0ger@woof.group
2023-10-04T22:55:16Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird given the choice between Microsoft and Google, I would choose Microsoft to use the data of my email, contacts, and calendar data less than Google.
(DIR) Post #AaRRflG2Dr2INOUesS by Sassinake@mastodon.social
2023-10-04T23:25:29Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird is MS merging with Google?
(DIR) Post #AaRUo5uLd3zebK0yOW by Arthur_500@noagendasocial.com
2023-10-05T00:00:49Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Wait a minute!Gaggle takes over all your mail accounts, and monitors every move on your internet use.Don't try to tell me Microsoft is any worse than Gaggle.Remember Gaggle was a creation of the CIA whose purpose was to develop a profile of the user.
(DIR) Post #AaRXzZSiO33nJHFnDU by mistermonster@freespeechextremist.com
2023-10-05T00:36:31.057157Z
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@killyourfmIt took you this long to learn this lesson? @thunderbird
(DIR) Post #AaRZNGI7PoTYky9qpU by jimvernon@techhub.social
2023-10-05T00:51:49Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Seems like a bunch of pearl clutching to be upset that a cloud service provider wants access to your data stored by another cloud service provider.
(DIR) Post #AaRcYpLVisKYWax1Ci by LaczPro19@techhub.social
2023-10-05T01:27:27Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird nope. Mozilla isn't exactly my cup of tea. They try stuff like this (https://itsfoss.com/firefox-looking-glass-controversy/) and talk a lot about how they protect users privacy, like all companies do these days... Until we find out something different from what they say. I can't blame them, personal data seems to be the gold of these years.
(DIR) Post #AaRidJdfdUGTMMy7Bw by tux0r@layer8.space
2023-10-05T02:35:33Z
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@killyourfm @goebelmasse Den Erfindern des Computers werde ich den Lösungsweg „ach, bei dir tritt folgendes Problem auf, ja, dann installier doch stattdessen meine Lieblingssoftware“ absehbar niemals verzeihen.
(DIR) Post #AaRl5paQeGGGScB2xc by JGuz@mstdn.party
2023-10-05T03:03:07Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird How are Google & Microsoft’s policies HIPAA compliant for any agencies that use them?
(DIR) Post #AaRy1syvNlljEh5GTo by xdydx@mastodon.social
2023-10-05T05:28:00Z
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@killyourfm#justNoJust when I was starting to trust #Microsoft on #email again too..This is purely so they can train an #LLM on #yourData (and market you on that).#bastards
(DIR) Post #AaRy2pLcNYNsFs9Cu8 by xdydx@mastodon.social
2023-10-05T05:28:14Z
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@killyourfm #justNoJust when I was starting to trust #Microsoft on #email again too..This is purely so they can train an #LLM on #yourData (and market you on that).#bastards
(DIR) Post #AaS3R0o1vcyiVrmxCy by exception@mastodon.savvy.ch
2023-10-05T06:28:35Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird A good time to switch operating system and no longer use any M$ product!
(DIR) Post #AaS7LbshZOoXZyeZCi by mlabowicz@bigshoulders.city
2023-10-05T07:12:27Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird who the heck would use outlook for their Gmail 🤣
(DIR) Post #AaSAAKT4pk6UJ9pzvc by VacantInside@mastodonapp.uk
2023-10-05T07:44:02Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird @rysiek bound to be for LLM training (anonymised of course! 😂)
(DIR) Post #AaSLSMsxgPWAVvkVyy by tigerjerusalem@ursal.zone
2023-10-05T09:50:32Z
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@killyourfm @mastodonmigration @thunderbird what in the everlasting flying fuck is this bullshit?!
(DIR) Post #AaSQWEUhK6ttPy3ut6 by SteveJB@mastodon.social
2023-10-05T10:47:11Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird , anytime is a good time to NOT use outlook. I have to use it at work and it's a nightmare!
(DIR) Post #AaTGJ79gUdyOVaIcAi by sapphireangel@mastodon.online
2023-10-05T15:21:21Z
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@arush @thunderbird @killyourfm for work yes, but I use outlook for personal now because last year I had nothing but thunderbird issues.
(DIR) Post #AaTGJ8FOQu8LtZygi0 by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-10-05T20:27:34Z
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@sapphireangel @arush @thunderbird Sorry to hear that, Keri. I'd like to believe those issues were ironed out when version 115 came out. Hopefully it's a better experience for your moving forward.
(DIR) Post #AaUDJ1kOUhzF21hFjc by marekzprahy@mastodon.social
2023-10-06T07:28:38Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird not only GMail account, it also applies to any IMAP account. Maybe they “need” it, but I definitely don’t want to let them train their AI with my e-mails. And then they say that the new Outlook is free 😀🖕🏻
(DIR) Post #AaV2NUqnKIbq79ZxOi by damagecontrolblog@mastodon.social
2023-10-06T17:00:51Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Thunderbird for the win!
(DIR) Post #AaVyExMVkLEvHD2vkO by mike805@noc.social
2023-10-07T03:49:14Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Why anyone uses outlook, aside for a corporate environment where you have no choice (and the inevitable security disaster is not your problem!) I do not know.Likewise office 365 and other cloud stuff. Whenever I have to deal with that sort of thing, I am left thinking that if I did not have a choice I would not be using a computer.
(DIR) Post #AayP4PBuqyaDPbY2Iy by AngelaScholder@mastodon.energy
2023-10-20T21:01:49Z
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@killyourfm @thunderbird Check out BetterBird.For now it works better than Thunderbird.
(DIR) Post #Ab8jjg2nu2pFH4bMMS by Rhababerbarbar@tux.social
2023-10-25T20:40:28Z
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@killyourfm@thunderbirdLol dont use GMail? But yeah, thats bad. #Privacy #Outlook #Email