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 (DIR) Post #AaPCABRnQXokhtYkiW by mira@froggie.town
       2023-10-03T19:27:00.319Z
       
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       marxists on their way to not engage critically with the history of their movement
       
 (DIR) Post #AaPCACHCLQvzHJbnpw by anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social
       2023-10-03T19:53:54Z
       
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       @mira no but see if you engage critically with the history of Marxism as a movement that means you'd be criticizing all examples of Actually Existing Communism (as if it ever turns into anything but state capitalism lol) which means you must not truly want communism at all because every time it comes around you criticize it! /s (A real argument I've heard)
       
 (DIR) Post #AaPCADGse6H4McT3yq by mira@froggie.town
       2023-10-03T19:56:58.128Z
       
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       @anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social they are truly the most peculiar type of people
       
 (DIR) Post #AaPCADUhohKj3Uw6Wu by anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social
       2023-10-03T19:59:22Z
       
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       @mira if you think the Soviet Union was a horrible State capitalist authoritarian atrocity then you must not actually be a leftist because that's the most successful example of leftist governance we've ever seen, so you just hate leftist success!What's my definition of successful? When there's a high literacy rate and a high rate of factory production and a large amount of area conquered!Huh? That's "hitler made the trains run on time" level logic?But the USSR was communist!
       
 (DIR) Post #AaPCADuEHnkYKesUJU by anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social
       2023-10-03T20:00:15Z
       
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       @mira it's just another cult. Marxism is honestly among the most Christian atheist ideologies ever invented up there with humanism.
       
 (DIR) Post #AaPCAEqimKXPG4FCU4 by mazel@social.xenofem.me
       2023-10-03T20:40:19.243977Z
       
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       @anarchopunk_girl @mira ok ngl I’m not about to toss out Marxism entirely. But MLs as a social phenomenon, in my experience, refuse to do any serious self-critique about their own implicit values as a “subculture.” MLs rarely view themselves as having a “culture” to begin with because they presume that their framework is “scientific” and thus is too objective to have assumptions of its own (much like STEMlords who diss philosophy of science, tbh). So they don’t pay attention, for instance, to the intellectualism wielded for social capital. Frankly, reading Capital is hard, and for MLs, those who are able to understand it (or who think they understand it) have authority over those who aren’t as “well-read.” It doesn’t actually matter if “AES” is anything but - someone more learned than you in scripture has interpreted it that way, so you shouldn’t question it. Critique of ML culture doesn’t mean Marxism’s content is definitely and entirely wrong. But MLs see self-critique as a threat, because they are so stuck in their intellectualism. It’s baked into how they came up with Marxism in the first place: through academic literature. Occasionally they will acknowledge, with a shallow “humility,” that the “less educated” classes also have decent insights now and then, but their hierarchical thinking is still central to how their uncritical acceptance of “AES” is formed.
       
 (DIR) Post #AaPCAF5bsyRo0FD5gu by anarchopunk_girl@kolektiva.social
       2023-10-03T20:03:00Z
       
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       @mira it's got the self-sacrificing resentment driven morality, it's got the Manicheanism, it's got the inevitable march of history toward a particular glorious end (eschatology), it's got It's religious books and scholars, it's got the same hyper altruistic submission, it's got the hierarchical authoritarianism