Post Aa80oGmwUEGXiaToH2 by graf@poa.st
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 (DIR) Post #Aa7xxuI2gql0yRvk5g by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T13:53:08.540741Z
       
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       Also what's a good cheap VPS host nowadays. It's for a static website, so probably don't need much?Also best domain name provider?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7y3xDkhr8znjo6y0 by burner@norwoodzero.net
       2023-09-25T13:54:24.286608Z
       
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       I use ethernetservers.com for vps and cloudflare for my registrar.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7y4KhJQ7SIc4oXjc by sjw@bae.st
       2023-09-25T13:54:28.018609Z
       
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       @coolboymew I still recommend :francisco: https://my.frantech.ca/aff.php?aff=2256And :porkbun: https://porkbun.com
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7y621pnnGDI8Dung by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
       2023-09-25T13:54:47.376904Z
       
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       @coolboymew porkbun are generally liked because they're hip and cool, but they're still javascript niggers.ethernetservers.com USD$12/yr VPS if you poke around a bit, you pick a choice then it gives you a different list where you look in "special offers". @p might be able to beat that.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7y9rntl9WojpX97Y by sjw@bae.st
       2023-09-25T13:55:27.818506Z
       
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       @coolboymew at least until :francisco: finally gets NameCrane up and going.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7yF3mceDpnL7Pfpw by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2023-09-25T13:56:21.740893Z
       
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       @coolboymew >good cheap VPS host nowadays.None are both good and cheap.I find that self hosting is the ultimate solution and it's cheaper in the long run, as you don't have to pay monthly rent aside from maybe power (but you live in the forest with self-sufficient electrical generation right?).>best domain name provider?All seem to require proprietary JS just to rent a domain, so none?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7yNdS7uhXqHbuoka by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T13:57:55.304209Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki ISPs here are gay and won't allow good self-hosting without significant bullshit to pass around that
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7yYEE03BcfE3MJRg by romin@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T13:59:52.902127Z
       
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       @coolboymew static website? github pages unironically.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7ya6F4hVPL2ykoE4 by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:00:09.170933Z
       
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       @romin ehh
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7yqDiifHi0sDJ5d2 by romin@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:03:07.976357Z
       
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       @coolboymew nanda?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7ytxRN8PgPXayVnc by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:03:46.606513Z
       
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       @romin not private enough? It's kind of, ehh?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7yx08nYE7smijqaW by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:04:19.877714Z
       
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       @romin Also I legit don't want to deal with git
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7yzfEVk5jgoDgEts by captain_arepa@moar.cachapa.xyz
       2023-09-25T14:04:48.482Z
       
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       @coolboymew@shitposter.club I use Webdock (https://webdock.io) for VPS, they have cheap options and you can even build your own profile, depending on your needs. For domains... No idea, I've use Namecheap (https://www.namecheap.com/) since forever, I've gotten some nice bargains there ​:lain_shrug:​
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7zAG8tMwcSB36WrA by romin@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:06:45.288351Z
       
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       @coolboymew>not private enough?The only thing that's private is the machines you run locally under your protection.>Also I legit don't want to deal with gitThat's fair.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7zJZofajsfni5XaC by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:08:24.447951Z
       
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       @romin as for not private enough, I mean, every files are on the open and that's kinda ehhh? I dunno?Don't wanna shell for a private repo either
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7zezrlvvR8ftkln6 by romin@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:12:16.960850Z
       
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       @coolboymew I'm not following you, the website needs to be confidential with restricted access or what?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7zitUPaGXi3WgWye by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:12:59.203925Z
       
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       @romin I don't don't like the idea of everything being in the open even if people could just crawl it easily
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7zlmR4GbE72zUt7I by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:13:30.468411Z
       
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       @romin Plus I couldn't host apps or anything other thing I could want to do with it
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7zvrijTLikKlZJvE by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
       2023-09-25T14:15:21.737379Z
       
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       @sjw @coolboymew Tell me more about NameCrane
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7zwvaWZuN4cQEhI8 by olmitch@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:15:32.896478Z
       
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       @coolboymew @romin I can't remember what it's called right now but there is a cool VPN provider that is run by fedi people, maybe @coldacid or @dushman knows
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7zzWqN29i4kBt7qK by coldacid@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:16:01.041674Z
       
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       @olmitch @coolboymew @dushman @romin sounds more like a @graf thing
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa7zzkLKqLCebzTXPc by olmitch@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:16:03.504919Z
       
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       @coolboymew @coldacid @dushman @romin VPS I meant
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa802zzh6ruw1Mu6j2 by Furret@swooret.com
       2023-09-25T14:15:08.623024Z
       
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       @sjw @coolboymew francisco dias 🙏 (i use their services, 10/10)
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa806ZISJPEsNYNi9Q by olmitch@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:17:17.419821Z
       
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       @coldacid @coolboymew @dushman @graf @romin it's fun pulling peoples handles out like they are yuigi oh cards
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa807o6OkcLWaSKfY0 by romin@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:17:30.982543Z
       
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       @coolboymew> if people could just crawl it easilyEasily done with a wget invocation>I couldn't host apps or anything other thingThen "It's for a static website" becomes "It's for a static website and other stuff" so sure github pages won't be of use to you in this new particular requirement.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa808RtgnHwo0ch5I8 by coldacid@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:17:37.855369Z
       
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       @olmitch @coolboymew @dushman @graf @romin stealth hellthreading
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa80C3CWYWW4ZcDm6q by olmitch@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:18:15.440946Z
       
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       @coldacid @coolboymew @dushman @graf @romin building a hellthread like a carefully curated deck
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa80RddtLkO7wESGsi by graywolf@emacs.ch
       2023-09-25T14:20:44Z
       
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       @coolboymew I use https://vpsfree.cz/, because it is a community project, but does not fit the "cheap" if you just need a static website.  Otherwise I was fairly happy with vultr.com when I used is as a proxy for crunchyroll.  But that is a long time back.  Hetzner looks reasonable, but I hope their network for VPSes is bit more stable then for dedicated machines (we had bad experience).For static content you can probably just pick by cost pretty much.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa80YECOLYPZ3NjaIi by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:22:11.565985Z
       
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       @graywolf 12 euros a month is a tad costly unfortunately
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa80oGmwUEGXiaToH2 by graf@poa.st
       2023-09-25T14:25:09.129528Z
       
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       best deal you can get from a provider that will take a bat to the heads of your detractors free of charge get.crunchbits.com/order/yearly-kvm-ssd-vps/84you'll have to shell out a couple dollars for an ipv4 address but it's way worth it
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa80sHHgaKDOPklrcm by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
       2023-09-25T14:25:54Z
       
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       @coolboymew I use #GithubPages for static sites tbh but I think #GitLab offers something similar
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa80vJj9xRtirP4SY4 by kirby@lab.nyanide.com
       2023-09-25T14:26:22.632763Z
       
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       @coolboymew porkbun is pretty goodvultr has some kick ass 5$ a month vpses, those are good enough for most websites
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa80w79QCb1I92jcmm by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:26:34.936023Z
       
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       @realcaseyrollins not private enough (also microsoft)
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa80ytdqsxYp7EIM64 by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:27:04.865613Z
       
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       @graf @dushman @coldacid @olmitch @romin thanks
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa817PXkA0P2NBUvse by realcaseyrollins@social.freetalklive.com
       2023-09-25T14:28:38Z
       
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       @coolboymew I think #GitLab can be self-hosted though
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa81jlg8JI501piD6e by xianc78@gameliberty.club
       2023-09-25T14:35:34Z
       
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       @coolboymew Why are you using a VPS to host static HTML?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa81mufrJyj4nS5FFg by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:36:05.051014Z
       
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       @xianc78 I don't wanna do github man
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa81wYKbFL2eOgji8e by xianc78@gameliberty.club
       2023-09-25T14:37:52Z
       
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       @coolboymew Github or just Git in general.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa823QY8ZozaI2LXNo by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:39:05.626209Z
       
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       @xianc78 noooo gitttttt
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa82VfZ4LR9QxzFVR2 by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:44:10.383152Z
       
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       @coolboymew https://www.kimsufi.com/fr/vps/
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa82bPyvC9MMNG5B9k by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:45:14.857742Z
       
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       @mangeurdenuage vraiment pas chère
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa82gHNoaj7Z9d2oFM by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:46:04.469174Z
       
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       @sjw @coolboymew >font.googleapi.com on both websitesImagine using templates instead of doing your freaking job, they do that for a website I can't imagine what they do for their servers.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa82nKb32gMd9Db32m by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:47:23.286139Z
       
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       @coolboymew @Suiseiseki Maybe on the North American continent, here in fFrance it's not an issue, at least not with the major ISPs.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa82o19unRD59WEUDo by pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb
       2023-09-25T14:47:26.593946Z
       
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       @coolboymew It’s for a static websiteany free tier of s3 of any cloud provider or cloudfl*re
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa82pbOrXROdqFyo7s by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:47:48.881082Z
       
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       @pomstan S3 has free tiers?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa82sV7NLqMTE9BNrM by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:48:21.186764Z
       
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       @coolboymew En effet.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa82yLIukggYWlMi6S by pomstan@xn--p1abe3d.xn--80asehdb
       2023-09-25T14:49:19.929085Z
       
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       @coolboymew i have several tens of gigs on scaleway but you need to pay for something else
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa83DnBbMy3xLVJOi0 by adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl
       2023-09-25T14:52:12.571Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com I find that self hosting is the ultimate solutionI cannot agree with this enough. I have my own server in a colocation center, but if I lived in a place that would facilitate it (i.e., without a god-awful ISP in a country full of god-awful ISPs) I would absolutely host from my home. @coolboymew@shitposter.club
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa83DwA9zhG1BdhsDA by mangeurdenuage@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T14:52:11.644214Z
       
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       @coolboymew Ils ont aussi des servers dédier pour 6euros ttchttps://www.kimsufi.com/fr/dedicated-servers/Mon seule problème avec OVH c'est que il n'y a pas vraiment de bon concurrent (a ma connaissance) et tout commence a se centraliser chez eux.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa83LXlgZq8NqPszaq by xianc78@gameliberty.club
       2023-09-25T14:53:20Z
       
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       @coolboymew You could try Neocities, but I've heard that they do practice some censorship. You could also try any of the tilde.club clones. They offer web hosting along with a SSH environment to play around with.Those are just the free options. You also have shared hosting which should be cheaper compared to VPS hosting.But if you really want a VPS in particular, the only good one I know of is cockbox (run by the same guy who runs cock.li). He only accepts crypto (Bitcoin and Monero) payments though.https://cockbox.org/
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa83rNi3Vg99unMxzk by sjw@bae.st
       2023-09-25T14:59:21.370320Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki @coolboymew :francisco: hasn't raised his prices
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa84DnsksicRSV48eW by iska@catposter.club
       2023-09-25T15:03:22.491Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @coolboymew@shitposter.club still proud of my self hosted instanceI should move my XMPP and email there too.. once I install gentoo-libre or guix on the upgraded machine ​:woozy_cat:​
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa84GN8skwzhOYplMe by dsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
       2023-09-25T15:01:41Z
       
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       @coolboymew @realcaseyrollins I2P is the best VPS we recommend. For a good DNS service, though, called 'jump services' or 'subscriptions' on #I2P, we studied the different providers and they are all okay except for reg.i2p, which was giving out broken pubic keys for some keys sites.If you need more info we are here.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa84vWtXOx4dVzHXkm by iska@catposter.club
       2023-09-25T15:09:25.572Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @coolboymew@shitposter.club If 64-bit SMP hurd comes out soon enough I'll probably turn the instance into pleroma on a full GNU minus linux system (hopefully corebooted too)not *key because porting nodejs will take another 10 years
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa853d6KD7a9517qNc by kirby@lab.nyanide.com
       2023-09-25T15:12:40.831859Z
       
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       @iska @Suiseiseki @coolboymew cc me if u do that
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa854bUrf0rWOV4HxY by adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl
       2023-09-25T15:12:57.454Z
       
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       @iska@catposter.club ​:based:​ and ​:gnu:​-pilled. ​:ignucius:​ @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @coolboymew@shitposter.club
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa85GdSADDxhw9XfJw by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2023-09-25T15:15:02.960095Z
       
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       @iska 64-bit SMP Hurd is was out months ago, there's just a few more bugs to iron out.I hope your hardware is of high enough quality to be GNUbooted.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa85H9Kpg16yogMGKu by iska@catposter.club
       2023-09-25T15:15:10.449Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @coolboymew@shitposter.club less so comes out (it technically did) moreso becomes fully usable. Maybe it's already there
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa85NigX9vIqBqdqAS by malakai@the.usualsuspects.lol
       2023-09-25T15:16:24.227542Z
       
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       Hetzner’s arm64 VPS as long as you don’t need to host swastikas n shit
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa85dFLa0LjtpjFChk by iska@catposter.club
       2023-09-25T15:19:09.551Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com yeah I misworded it.Also, does writing 12 mb of data into a filesystem at once still crash it?
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa87xnBs5L2MUrczoG by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
       2023-09-25T15:45:18.499Z
       
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       @olmitch@shitposter.club @coolboymew@shitposter.club @romin@shitposter.club @coldacid@shitposter.club Airvpn. Gonna shill my referral. Shit's great cuz you get port forwarding, ddns and they don't discriminate against any protocol. They have a client but you can use plain ovpn or wireguard if you want.https://airvpn.org/?referred_by=660417
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa880pelNBr10uaiwa by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
       2023-09-25T15:45:53.296Z
       
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       @olmitch@shitposter.club @coolboymew@shitposter.club @romin@shitposter.club @coldacid@shitposter.club Not ran by fedi people but this shit is good. ¯\_ (ツ) _/¯
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa88hKDa8UmZxf8iuG by olmitch@shitposter.club
       2023-09-25T15:53:34.463967Z
       
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       @dushman @coolboymew @coldacid @romin VPS I meant VPS
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa89nV98W9ptXwZMKe by fzorb@akko.layer08.com
       2023-09-25T16:05:51.566098Z
       
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       @graf @dushman @coldacid @coolboymew @olmitch @romin looks good might buy
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa8Aunykzrjfw5lFE8 by graf@poa.st
       2023-09-25T16:18:23.616509Z
       
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       highly recommend
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa8agpaMpAdjfmLlgW by gh0st@freespeechextremist.com
       2023-09-25T21:07:13.860930Z
       
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       @iska @Suiseiseki @coolboymew Send Gnudes.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa8gpOWHQK6g3ouAca by p@freespeechextremist.com
       2023-09-25T22:16:00.512138Z
       
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       @Zerglingman @coolboymew I stopped the selling of VMs due to this server being completely effin' flaky.  If I grab another one and and a NAS for backups, I might try to get back into that.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa8mpLfWcewcwZagCW by Zerglingman@freespeechextremist.com
       2023-09-25T23:23:13.835044Z
       
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       @p @coolboymew I just meant you probably know of something cheaper. I didn't know you sold vms.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa8nevyZOQNGJj62sa by p@freespeechextremist.com
       2023-09-25T23:32:33.207688Z
       
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       @Zerglingman @coolboymew Oh, yeah, I mean, Low End Talk is probably the best place to check that kind of thing, graf and sjw are pretty plugged in there.  All I know is Frantech, Cockbox, eat hot bandwidth quota, and lie.
       
 (DIR) Post #Aa8om8KBykiGb6CtBQ by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
       2023-09-25T23:45:02.059875Z
       
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       @xianc78 @coolboymew what do you think hosts that shit, oh right, the same datacentres the vpses are in
       
 (DIR) Post #AaAhsHVwPlszTMbgZ6 by l0ngyap@akm.longyap.name.my
       2023-09-26T21:37:08.104421Z
       
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       @coolboymew if static why not just throw them into s3 bucket or goIthub or cloudflare pages?
       
 (DIR) Post #AaAi8G73OPoTl9aIrI by coolboymew@shitposter.club
       2023-09-26T21:40:00.284643Z
       
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       @l0ngyap I dunno, but fuck big tech
       
 (DIR) Post #AcePasJtk7jHy6PilM by m0xEE@breloma.m0xee.net
       2023-12-10T01:17:33.391598Z
       
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       @iska Does Erlang run on Hurd though? :marseyhmm: @Suiseiseki @coolboymew
       
 (DIR) Post #AcePtnRa61qqLc1v5k by adiz@soc0.outrnat.nl
       2023-12-10T01:21:12.919Z
       
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       @iska@catposter.club ​:based:​ and ​:gnu:​-pilled.Sad about no ​:misskey2022:​ though. @Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com @coolboymew@shitposter.club
       
 (DIR) Post #Acf53w5gtkcYBLkDia by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
       2023-12-10T09:02:23.702262Z
       
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       @m0xEE Seeing Erlang is in the Debian repositories, it probably just werks on Debian GNU/Hurd (yes, that version of Debian is still free out of the box unlike Debian systemd/Linux).Most software doesn't care what kernel you're running and so it was discovered that most software in the Debian repository complies just fine.There was a discussion about implementing Erlang-style parallelism even; https://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/open_issues/multithreading/erlang-style_parallelism.html
       
 (DIR) Post #AcfJMTewEF3YrbxzDE by m0xEE@breloma.m0xee.net
       2023-12-10T11:42:10.399723Z
       
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       @Suiseiseki Well, that's good to know!> Most software doesn't care what kernel you're running Not entirely true when it comes to software implementing some sort of VM like Erlang. Such software rarely relies on means of abstraction such as libc and often calls kernel directly. That is exactly what they are discussing BTW — if they implement some of this stuff in the kernel itself, they can get rid of large portions of said VM, which should in turn improve the performance.
       
 (DIR) Post #AcfMHeMvHe68UcviAC by Suiseiseki@freesoftwareextremist.com
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       @m0xEE >often calls kernel directlyGNU/Hurd implements Linux SYSCALL emulation as well and most software can't tell the difference between Linux and GNU/Hurd's emulation.