Post AZyJsWOsXQQbvWIgaG by danny@strangeminds.social
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(DIR) Post #AZyFdyoEEUbRsIy58y by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-20T21:24:13Z
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So I just heard about this through @bonifartius ... maybe im missing some details but let me see if i got this straight.1) Russel Brand was accursed of some sort of sexually inappropriate activity, not sure what it is yet, but sounds serious. While serious as of yet no evidence has been made public, no trial, and his guilt is unknown.2) Based on only accusation and rumer the UK parliment decided he should be treated as if he is guilty before a trial3) the UK parliment has reached out to several platforms asking to deplatform him as punished for something we havent determined if he did yet4) Platforms like YouTube saw no problem with this and agreed.Is this seriously where we are at....QT: https://qoto.org/@bonifartius/111099540273078639
(DIR) Post #AZyIeX7yw8icAtAAhE by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-09-20T21:57:59Z
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@freemo sums up what i know about it pretty well.i actually only remembered him about a week ago for is role as annoying musician in "forgetting sarah marshall". looked up what he does now and gave his podcast a listen.fast-forward a few days he is cancelled. :itsaliens:
(DIR) Post #AZyIoqOOAMWcooknU8 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-20T21:59:49Z
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@bonifartius I see him talking a lot about pro-left wing politics. Kinda ironic him being the victim of the very toxic environment he has supported.
(DIR) Post #AZyJ0vPLLRKbqfxdSa by danny@strangeminds.social
2023-09-20T22:01:56Z
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@freemo @bonifartius in my opinion he shouldn't have been named at all, this is trial by media. If the law says he should be named before a trial in court, then his accuser(s) should be named as well
(DIR) Post #AZyJHLWe0W37U7CqAq by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-20T22:04:58Z
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@danny That is valid, but if accusations werent public then how could people with evidence in the public who hear about it come forward?@bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AZyJY9myteFu0WrbIu by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-09-20T22:08:02Z
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@freemo well, he did interview tucker carlson. not sure if i'd put him into the leftist corner. seems to be more british-libertarian-new-age-health-guy to me, but i haven't really listened to much of his stuff.anyway, the point is that it's absolutely crazy how things are handled lately, cf. the whole episode with the rammstein guy.
(DIR) Post #AZyJgLBIQNxJel8g5o by danny@strangeminds.social
2023-09-20T22:09:29Z
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@freemo @bonifartius true, but I still say if a person is named and subject to media scrutiny, their accusers should be prepared for the same treatment
(DIR) Post #AZyJjUFHBG0MdZV6rw by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-20T22:10:03Z
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@bonifartius I have never heard him say or have an opinion that would be on the right (by any measure) and quite a few on the left.Interviewing tucker carlson doesnt tell me anything about if he is right or left.... disagreeing/agreeing with him might.And yea it is nuts.. like i wouldnt be too surprised if people boycotted him.. but to have the UK parliment itself actively pull something like this based on rumor alone... Im astonished.
(DIR) Post #AZyJsWOsXQQbvWIgaG by danny@strangeminds.social
2023-09-20T22:11:41Z
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@freemo @bonifartius The thing is, it's probably already destroyed Russel Brand's career, and he hasn't been found guilty of anything yet
(DIR) Post #AZyJtNHxtrODxQTPfM by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-20T22:11:50Z
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@danny I tend to agree. We could argue the same, if the accuser isnt made public then how can people with evidence related to the crime, about the accuser, ever come to light either.The transparency absolutely should go both ways.I'd argue that hiding their identities makes sense if there is a special circumstance where they would be at particular risk... but that should be the exception and should that be the case I'd agree the entire case should be sealed including the name of the accused.Also, making the accuser anonymous, not sure how that would even work from a practical standpoint.@bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AZyKHEBNPNuofHlXEW by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-09-20T22:16:11Z
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@freemo > i wouldnt be too surprised if people boycotted him.. but to have the UK parliment itself actively pull something like this based on rumor alone... Im astonished.well, the parliament is made of people :P
(DIR) Post #AZyKxXDt0TSnse74oC by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-20T22:23:48Z
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@bonifartius Pretty sure that is a false statement....
(DIR) Post #AZyL4mWAXTsNLN7W8u by jtb@toot.wales
2023-09-20T22:25:07Z
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@freemo @bonifartius That should be 'accused' not 'accursed' otherwise it looks like a Freudian slip.
(DIR) Post #AZyLCRtf5ju9hmlUCu by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-20T22:26:30Z
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@danny Oh absolutely... look at johnny vs amber...The moment amber accused Johnny he lost **everything** every franchise dropped him no one would hire him.. even Pirates of the Carribean killed the franchise just to drop him from it... all on an accusation with no proof.Now fastforward, trial over, he is found to be **clearly** innocent. Amber is found to have lied about every piece of evidence and caught red handed... johnny is found innocent, and Amber even found guilty of lying and forced to pay...So where are we now... Amber hasnt been dropped from even a single franchise that I know of. Still getting work, still on magazine covers. Her life was barely effected....Meanwhile johnny is getting work again but all the contracts he lost, hasnt been fixed at all.@bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AZyNoNMqZzFSZQd2xc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-20T22:55:45Z
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@danny I just did some checking in the scientific journals.Of people who have bipolar and need treatment, 40% of them refuse to take their meds despite having access.It would seem your personal view of having many friends with bipolar who all take their meds very much inaccurate. It would seem a very large portion of the general bipolar population refuse medication.https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5975358/#:~:text=Among%20populations%20with%20bipolar%20disorder,associated%20with%20poor%20illness%20outcomes.@bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AZz2zrPdJG4d3jWj4a by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-09-21T06:37:15Z
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@freemo > meanwhile below the parliament:P
(DIR) Post #AZz34XTYrRWqftaxSS by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-21T06:38:07Z
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@bonifartius I think you meant to send me a picture of something underneath the parliament? Thisis just a picture of an ordinary parliament session.
(DIR) Post #AZz3Aifs8bwr8zIhJw by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-09-21T06:38:45Z
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@freemo lol xD
(DIR) Post #AZz45J77qM8mNN1zpg by timorl@social.wuatek.is
2023-09-21T06:46:56.439516Z
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@freemo @bonifartius That’s almost correct:The accusations happened a couple of years ago, the investigation only now got to a point when the evidence has been made public. I suggest taking a look at the publicly available evidence before saying anyone acted hastily, it might change your mind.Perhaps relevantly Brand switched to championing much more right-wing cases after the accusations have been formally made, so a couple years ago. It might be a coincidence though, since he mostly came in there from the direction of COVID-related conspiracies.And, in relation to another of your posts in this thread, you might want to be aware that the Depp situation is far from clear cut – he lost the cases in the UK and won the case in the US.
(DIR) Post #AZz45Jsczk8ckhFvsG by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-21T06:49:24Z
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@timorl Good info, thanks.Which cases did he loose exactly? That seems weird that he would loose a csae for rape and not go to prison.@bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AZz4qQDrEQ8I27e7MW by timorl@social.wuatek.is
2023-09-21T06:56:31.714712Z
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@freemo Neither of the cases was about rape (I don’t think anyone even alleges any rape around this, just general abuse), they were both defamation/libel cases. As is often the case, Wikipedia has a decent summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Depp#Legal_issues .@bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AZz4qR3y6fogdk1jaS by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-21T06:57:56Z
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@timorl Thats fair, I dont remember hearing about rape in the hearing when i watched parts of it.@bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AZz4ytYw1vwFLWXrbU by olives@qoto.org
2023-09-21T06:59:29Z
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@freemo @timorl @bonifartius Apparently, the U.K. case was against a newspaper, whereas the U.S. one was against her directly and involved far more evidence.I've only heard of the case in passing though. I'm not familiar with it, so I might be mistaken.
(DIR) Post #AZz51Qbs8EZgQ67vTk by olives@qoto.org
2023-09-21T06:59:57Z
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@freemo @timorl @bonifartius Apparently, the U.K. defamation case was against a newspaper, whereas the U.S. one was against her directly and involved far more evidence.I've only heard of the case in passing though. I'm not familiar with it, so I might be mistaken.
(DIR) Post #AZz51fo7cyHnYQyQ9g by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-21T06:59:59Z
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@timorl I'm probably still missing a lot... So far all I hear are the accounts of the witnesses. While they will be heard and considered in court (As they should be)... I cant find, as of yet, any evidence beyond that.One woman said she visited a rape center after the incident... that sounds like it could be a piece of evidence... has that been confirmed or do we just have her word on it.Any other evidence i have overlooked in my quest search?@bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AZz56eWloV0b26EQVc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-21T07:00:52Z
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@olives Ahh yes I think i remember that.. if so I'd say that makes it a pretty cut and dry case of his innocence and her guilt@timorl @bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AZz6YKALDAipwcV1TE by timorl@social.wuatek.is
2023-09-21T07:14:14.020486Z
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@freemo There are also some verified SMSes in which he admits to at least one of the instances. @bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AZz6YKxyEeQAQXiepM by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-21T07:17:03Z
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@timorl That alone would be quite damning.That said even if i review it and decide I think he is likely guilty, it doesnt justify the UK parliment to punish him as if he is guilty before a court of law has found him guilty... Its a scary overstep to say the list and wrong.@bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AZz8WyZ4EqfGZIY8i8 by timorl@social.wuatek.is
2023-09-21T07:16:15.670573Z
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@freemo @olivesConsidering the first court found a significant portion of the allegations to be true, it doesn’t seem like lack of evidence was a problem there, so this kinda doesn’t add up. But I haven’t followed that whole situation that closely. :blobshrug: @bonifartius
(DIR) Post #AZz8WzQb1pTzFJat96 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-21T07:39:13Z
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@timorl What do you mean, a lack of evidence from Johnnys side would have exactly that effect, he would be found guilty, especially if the other side did not have a problem there.@bonifartius @olives