Post AZvyJJy8HN5LsmFCDY by tzafrir@tooot.im
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(DIR) Post #AZvm7aqGWLN5HxCoLo by WahbAllat@mas.to
2023-09-19T15:32:36Z
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A view of the pre-1948 Palestinian village of Bayt Mahsir in the Al-Quds subdistrict, Palestine, in 1932. šµšøThe village was depopulated by invading Zionist militias during the 1948 #Nakba
(DIR) Post #AZvm7beFWVLzmyajGC by oatmeal@emacs.ch
2023-09-19T16:44:02Z
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@WahbAllat I love to compare the Zionist Wikipedia (under control of right wing activists in the last 10 years or so) entries in Hebrew, with various other languages. The #Hebrew #Wikipedia states the āreason for depopulationā of most Palestinian villages as āabandonmentā, never military assault, or massacre, which were commonly performed by militia forces. They actually have custom metadata fields ready for āreasonā and ādateā of āabandonmentā of any #Palestinian village. Epistemic violence on the Wikipedia is almost a standard these days. @palestine @israel @wikipedia
(DIR) Post #AZvyJJy8HN5LsmFCDY by tzafrir@tooot.im
2023-09-19T19:00:36Z
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@oatmeal @WahbAllat @palestine @israel @wikipedia Never? I took a random pick of Lajjun . It seemed more comprehensive than other articles I remembered. So I checked three others whose names I did not remember. Three of the four mentioned attacks as the cause (in one of the three: abandoned after Tiberias was taken).There is quite some activity on those articles in hewiki.Articles:* Lajjun* Ghuwayr Abu Shusha* ×××”××× / Ų„Ų³ŲÆŁŲÆ* Al-Mirr
(DIR) Post #AZvyjY42Unx17xVsAa by oatmeal@emacs.ch
2023-09-19T19:05:22Z
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@tzafrir @WahbAllat @palestine @israel @wikipedia dear zafrir, Iāve been in enough editing wars to know what happens ā¦ theyāve simply not been discovered yet. Try editing one and see what happens. If youāre THE zafrir from the Hebrew Wikipedia youāre also part of the problem as an operator that enables the settlers, btw.
(DIR) Post #AZvzesiKOPu1g5hEO0 by tzafrir@tooot.im
2023-09-19T19:15:42Z
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@oatmeal @WahbAllat @palestine @israel @wikipedia I checked the edit history for the article of Lajjun:https://he.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D7%9C%D7%92%27%D7%95%D7%9F&action=historyInitial work was done by an editor (Left-leaning) on Apr-25 2023. A while later you naturally see other editors working on it, as it is a new article. One of them is a known Right-leaning editor. So the article got the attention. And so far so good.Note that on hewiki there is distrust for some Palestinian historians. In this case a major source is Morris's book.
(DIR) Post #AZw0b0E8cLBfm7I0gq by oatmeal@emacs.ch
2023-09-19T19:26:07Z
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@tzafrir @WahbAllat @palestine @israel @wikipedia we were both involved in an edit of one of this articles where your right wing moderator friend used the opportunity when someone tried to update an entry to remove all references to settler violence and locked the entry for editing. You supported that decision. Iām pretty sure itās still locked. The Hebrew Wikipedia is so far off of any other version itās absurd. There many more articles which are not favorable to the Zionist narrative, they were simply not discovered yet. Benny Morris is the source of the information presented in the English version but not used in the Hebrew one. āāāBayt Mahsir was depopulated on May 10āMay 11, 1948, after a military assault by Yishuv forces.[4][23][24][25] Two days later, on May 13, Israeli troops contaminated the village wells with a biological warfare agent consisting of typhus and diphtheria bacteria, as part of a programme to render Palestinian resettlement impossible and ensure 'the destruction of its ability to constitute an economic and military base for enemy forces surrounding the road.'[26]In August 1948, the new Israeli leadership started finalising plans for resettling Bayt Mahsir land.[27][28]
(DIR) Post #AZw1GufbfUqUhe7dCK by tzafrir@tooot.im
2023-09-19T19:33:47Z
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@oatmeal @WahbAllat @palestine @israel @wikipedia Note that the Hebrew and the English articles provide completing narratives. The English article completely misses the Jewish forces' motivation of the time: the road to Jerusalem. The Hebrew article notes that the village was a base to several Arab military units at the time and notes the fierce battle there. It notes that the village was abandoned, but as part of a paragraph that describes an attack on it.
(DIR) Post #AZw1Nrzi101CQnqGrw by oatmeal@emacs.ch
2023-09-19T19:35:03Z
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@tzafrir @WahbAllat @palestine @israel @wikipedia yes and thatās straight from godās (the famous historian) mouth
(DIR) Post #AZw24cUrVhWOoonZL6 by oatmeal@emacs.ch
2023-09-19T19:42:47Z
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@tzafrir @WahbAllat @palestine @israel @wikipedia also, youāre forgetting to mention that the Hebrew version is copy pasting historiography based on the preferred narrative of the milita forces who committed crimes against civilian population. Also, one of the most quoted historians on the Hebrew Wikipedia in respect to the 1948 war is Yoav Gelber. A member of the neo-fascist Tzomet political party (now defunct). Iām pretty sure you didnāt blush when you right some Palestinian historian are not trusted. On the Hebrew Wikipedia you canāt even write 1948 war. It has to be the āwar of independenceā. From whom? Only god know but thatās the Zionist narrative that guides it today. Letās not go into Judea and Samaria instead of the occupied territories etc. Orwell would have to redefine #newspeak to keep up with the Zionist Wikipedia.
(DIR) Post #AZw3ifLkQEcjCkC82a by tzafrir@tooot.im
2023-09-19T20:01:13Z
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@oatmeal @WahbAllat @palestine @israel @wikipedia Hmm.... some facts in that Hebrew article seem to be based on non-optimal sources. Maybe this could be improved.
(DIR) Post #AZwAfNIBnmpK0juLwG by adalah@devs.live
2023-09-19T18:39:37.842775Z
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@oatmeal @WahbAllat @palestine @israel @wikipedia Comparing different versions of #Wikipedia can indeed be very enlightening, sometimes shocking even; of course this is true in particular for any #Palestine related entries!A while ago, I compared the articles about #Jerusalem. Since then, Iād say the results have even worsened, but as always, the #German depiction of Palestine is ā in a very negative sense ā on par with the #Hebrew language site.For example, according to the #propagandist page authors, the whole city is āin #Israelā ā period; a blatant lie ā no #occupation at all! Palestine and #Palestinians are hardly mentioned in the main section (or anywhere else, except in the #history part), only at the very end it is started that āmoderateā Palestinians āclaimā #EastJerusalem; even the #English site differentiates between āadministrationā and claims of the two ā de facto unequal, n.b. ā parties, like most others (mega #FunFact: even the #Afrikaans text ā #apartheid), too.Another aspect that is quite striking is whether the site displays the Palestinian town flag and coat of arms ā as of now, this is true for the #Arabic and the #Dutch page, for example (didnāt check āem all ā¦). In the past, this was true for more versions (as far as I can remember) ā #hasbarists doing their thing ā¦ š#PaliverseNow šØ #Paliverse šµšø
(DIR) Post #AZwAfOjASy08ShXPd2 by adalah@devs.live
2023-09-19T19:23:08.269654Z
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@oatmeal @WahbAllat @israel @palestine @wikipedia They even replaced the name of the place ā #Meir (of all names ā #GoldaMabovitch; in fact, itās after Meir Bar-Ilan, a #fascist #insurgent ā #rabbi ā) instead of #Maįø„sÄ«r! #ŲØŁŲŖ_Ł
ŲŲ³ŁŲ±https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayt_Mahsir#Nakba #Palestine
(DIR) Post #AZwAfPex08DpLuZYh6 by oatmeal@emacs.ch
2023-09-19T21:19:03Z
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@adalah itās a common practice the erasure of Palestinian names. Typically after a Jewish victim of some violent event in the area.
(DIR) Post #Ab3rebKdp7aj3REgHQ by ec670@pawoo.net
2023-10-23T12:15:45Z
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@oatmeal @WahbAllat @palestine @israel @wikipedia #Hebrew #Arabic #Israel #Zionist #occupation #Jerusalem #Gaza #war