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(DIR) Post #AZkRivHhY6CE5WRA3M by malteengeler@legal.social
2023-09-14T05:33:25Z
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Good morning everyone. Some time ago I said that the left needs to stop idolizing the GDPR.I decided to elaborate on that and explain how and where the political economy of neoliberalism is alive and kicking in the GDPR, how alternatives would look like and how we (don't) get there 👇https://www.malteengeler.de/2023/09/14/the-left-needs-to-stop-idolizing-the-gdpr/
(DIR) Post #AZkSWSdWKtNriVGRvM by malteengeler@legal.social
2023-09-14T05:42:24Z
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The blog post is primarily meant to inform left tech circles where the lack of tangible progress has given GDPR the role of the second best thing. I don't mean to just talk it down though. GDPR has its positive aspects. But we have to avoid having ourself lulled by its existence.
(DIR) Post #AZkSfTtT1zHuDq1ZtA by malteengeler@legal.social
2023-09-14T05:44:02Z
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The blog post also is a write-up of my (German) talk at this years @republica. So in case you understand German and prefer a audio-version of the written article this is pretty much it:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwze7G0rn6M
(DIR) Post #AZkT4PVUTgiNrAhG9g by malteengeler@legal.social
2023-09-14T05:48:35Z
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(You might find this interesting @FutureHistories )
(DIR) Post #AZkVd4e8EFbHCbOYqG by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-09-14T06:17:17Z
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@malteengeler the problem is that #GDPR allows #paywalling of #privacy as a "premium feature"...Also it does nothing about shit like #CloudAct because it's not being enforced at all...
(DIR) Post #AZkYycRe3rYJyEWHuC by Kapirsnick@mastodon.xyz
2023-09-14T06:54:46Z
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@malteengeler For me, the most important sentence of your essay: "A truly post-capitalistic data protection regulation would have to be embedded in economic environment where digital infrastructure, social media and services are not privately owned, but under local, decentral, or collective governance exclusively devoted to the interest of the public and the local communities."
(DIR) Post #AZkZSDS7XxG395r4uO by neopostmodern@tldr.nettime.org
2023-09-14T07:00:06Z
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@malteengelerWould your critique be different in any way if the GDPR were actually enforced fully (e.g. by disallowing consent to hundreds of trackers since that can't be free, informed and meaningful consent) and thus making surveillance based advertisment a near impossible business model?
(DIR) Post #AZka3cZl6OHDmKGQGu by malteengeler@legal.social
2023-09-14T07:06:55Z
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@neopostmodern No. My criticism would be the same. But thank for that comment. I will add a sentence regarding this.
(DIR) Post #AZkagw9qEMA7nwt9M0 by malteengeler@legal.social
2023-09-14T07:13:59Z
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@Kapirsnick I feel seen 🙂
(DIR) Post #AZkugG3ujtDSKZ4Nu4 by hanscees@social.sargasso.nl
2023-09-14T10:57:58Z
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@malteengeler @anneroth yeh, but no. #gdpr gives citizens rights. In a #capitalistic world sure. These are Still human rights in a digital word.
(DIR) Post #AZkukeZtX2PnWW7lVw by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2023-09-14T10:58:44Z
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@malteengeler This.Also see:GDMR: https://ar.al/2018/11/29/gdmr-this-one-simple-regulation-could-end-surveillance-capitalism-in-the-eu/The Future of Internet Regulation at the European Parliament: https://ar.al/2019/11/29/the-future-of-internet-regulation-at-the-european-parliament/Small Tech as the (non-colonial) alternative to Big Tech: https://small-tech.org/about/#small-technology#gdpr #gdmr #SmallTech #BigTech #eu
(DIR) Post #AZkullKhu0GUlOY6vA by malteengeler@legal.social
2023-09-14T10:58:56Z
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@hanscees @anneroth Don't you find it embarrassing to comment before reading? I mean ... Jeez
(DIR) Post #AZkuogIr3lKY244gfA by malteengeler@legal.social
2023-09-14T10:59:30Z
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@aral I am familiar with your work 😚👌
(DIR) Post #AZkusjo3yaQy3Xbeee by malteengeler@legal.social
2023-09-14T11:00:12Z
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@antonia Did you read the article?
(DIR) Post #AZkvFNEq3AUQirvLfs by aral@mastodon.ar.al
2023-09-14T11:01:43Z
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@malteengeler As am I with yours :) Thank you, by the way; we don’t hear what you just wrote enough and it’s key if we want to see meaningful, progressive change.💕
(DIR) Post #AZkwR0zofjVjAW0pBA by malteengeler@legal.social
2023-09-14T11:17:37Z
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@aral 🫶
(DIR) Post #AZkyoPtS7vNm8GtmYy by thomkennon@mastodon.social
2023-09-14T11:44:15Z
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@malteengeler super stuff, posted with comments to the deathstar LinkedIn ✊🖤
(DIR) Post #AZl1xBcer3IQLBusxE by Ihazchaos@chaos.social
2023-09-14T12:19:26Z
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@malteengeler @republica Ok found this after struggling with your bloody english version! ;-) no offense.
(DIR) Post #AZl3qQKDzYfDp0CIue by benjaoming@social.data.coop
2023-09-14T12:40:40Z
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@malteengeler Thank you 😍In the libertarian socialist tradition, there is a belief that: without freedom, there can be no equality; and without equality, there can be no freedom.I think I've seen different variations of this.For GDPR, I don't think that we need to be so afraid of embracing the individual's digital rights, but to find its counterpart in a similar saying:"without [x], there can be no individual digital rights; and without individual digital rights, there can be no [x]"
(DIR) Post #AZl40Yk9Y2YCpH9sW0 by benjaoming@social.data.coop
2023-09-14T12:42:28Z
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@malteengeler small note: Your post was marked in "German", if you edit it and change it to "English", more people might see it (which it deserves)
(DIR) Post #AZl4oal8KMUNYbTSi0 by malteengeler@legal.social
2023-09-14T12:51:27Z
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@benjaoming done. Thx
(DIR) Post #AZlBPtmf9lHX06MVns by thefirstred@mastodon.social
2023-09-14T14:05:28Z
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@malteengeler a bit too much ideology and bipartisanship, but this part I agree with 100%!“Once data became an economic category, individual consent stopped being an act of individual self-determination and became an act of economic necessity. […] individual privacy is reduced to a question of economic capacity. […] In a world where digital services have become essential for everyday existence, most people have little actual choice but to consent to their data being processed for profit.“ 👌🏻
(DIR) Post #AZlM0oSiu6n6khHBpI by clau@xoxo.zone
2023-09-14T16:04:13Z
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@malteengeler we all need to write and think more about what a left tech means. Being the number 1 person guilty of this, I don't think we have developed the right narrative to reach politician and parties outside of our own bubbles.
(DIR) Post #AZlkp30FVunHEERbl2 by random_musings@social.tchncs.de
2023-09-14T20:42:14Z
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@malteengeler Thanks for the interesting text which I ended up reading twice today. I tend to agree with most of your arguments, but don't really see the "idolization" mentioned in the title or "celebration" mentioned in the text.Are there any specific instances of left parties or organizations you have in mind? At least here in Austria, I can't think of the SPÖ or KPÖ making broad statements to that effect. (That also supports your opening argument of the left's lack of strategy for digital.)
(DIR) Post #AZrXonZMK7Lo4zqP7w by yassin@tilde.zone
2023-09-17T15:44:46Z
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@malteengeler Nice, I've been hoping for this perspective in writing for years, thank you! One takeaway would also be that, focussing on personal data, we have been looking in the entirely wrong direction. What should be at the heart of a leftist theoretical framework regarding data protection, is not the mere fact of personal data being processed, but the exploitative relationship between controller and subjects. The concept of personal data seems to me merely as a liberal smokescreen - we should do away with it.Now what I was missing in the text though: what does a post-capitalistic data protection regulation look like?
(DIR) Post #AZrlA3q6KGMa1e903k by malteengeler@legal.social
2023-09-17T18:14:17Z
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@yassin What exactly are you referring to? I expressively touched upon that at the end.
(DIR) Post #AZrrhivjAi9EkPD8AC by MBrandtner@gruene.social
2023-09-17T19:27:35Z
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@malteengeler Great talk, thanks for this new perspective on the topic. @republica
(DIR) Post #AZtQQyOA8QB7K3Ddmy by yassin@tilde.zone
2023-09-18T13:31:28Z
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@malteengeler Sorry, I was very unspecific. I was wondering whether a data protection regulation (or equivalent) will still need to be in place after the transformation, and if yes, how would that look like. It is probably a much larger question regarding the future of subjective rights, though.
(DIR) Post #AZtX6uDubx4wI7nprs by malteengeler@legal.social
2023-09-18T14:46:14Z
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@yassin There would be so much to talk about there, yes. But it so much depends on the specifics of the economic alternative humanity and it's many communities develope to just say "the GDPR must look like this". The law will always just follow the social and economic order of its time. I could come up with broader outlines though, but that was beyond the scope of the article.