Post AZidQ4LASvALo2umOG by efjbgc@denton.social
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(DIR) Post #AZiOjfByB4B2HzUv1U by via@kitty.social
2023-09-13T05:50:44.950Z
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@winter@social.translunar.academy cc @efjbgc@denton.social
(DIR) Post #AZiOonFrcyF4k9lWF6 by via@kitty.social
2023-09-13T05:51:41.897Z
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@winter@social.translunar.academy @efjbgc@denton.social because they reposted something related to this lol
(DIR) Post #AZidQ4LASvALo2umOG by efjbgc@denton.social
2023-09-13T06:18:51Z
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@via @winter We'll admit we didn't know the context when we shared that thread; we're pretty ignorant of a lot of Fediverse community goings-on except for what we get secondhand in our own small feed. Re-reading the thread we shared with a little more context, it still feels like a generally productive conversation of why Black folks feel unsafe in the fediverse, and ways we can change that without having to ignore trans issues, like how they gave examples of productive versus unproductive criticismWe'll avoid getting too deep into an analysis of the thread in question, to avoid having the effect of talking over the Black poster, but it's definitely very true that, when a Black person says or does something problematic, there's a tendency for white folks to all jump on them in a way that, while it might have been caused by an actual issue, can have an effect of "everyone get em" that makes other POC feel unsafe in that space. This can be true even if the exact same reaction from the community would have been fine had the transgressor been white. And it is important for white folks to be mindful of that and open to listening when it's pointed out that that's what's going on and the effect it's having, even if it feels like a claim that we were wrong to be upset about the initial issueIt can be a hard thing to work on, too, because it's not necessarily an individual issue, it's an effect created by many people in a community. So saying "the trans community has this problem to work on with how they act towards Black people" doesn't mean there's a war between the trans and Black communities, just that there's something for us to work on (which is probably also making Black trans people feel unsafe in parts of the wider trans community)We just need to reach a place of "Yes, we were right to be upset about e.g. transphobia. Yes, we should be open to talking about how we can fight transphobia in a way that doesn't make Black folks feel unsafe." Which requires a lot of work on how we listen to and communicate with each other even when we're feeling powerful and justifiable emotions, while being understanding that others are probably also feeling those emotions. It's hard work to separate those things while not demanding that others communicate 100% how we want in order to be heard, but it's the only way we build true intersectional solidarity and supportAgain, we have very little context and none of this is targeted at OP, if it completely doesn't apply just ignore us, we just wanted to say something about being tagged in response to the thread we shared rather than ignoring it :)Solidarity
(DIR) Post #AZidQ53pmqtY2ZoS0m by AnCuRuadh@awwter.online
2023-09-13T06:26:02Z
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@efjbgc If you're that ignorant maybe you should just shut up instead of beclowning yourself? Because right now you're telling me that transmisogyny doesn't matter and that my safety as a trans woman is less important than the fee-fees of a notorious bigot and his reply guys. How about dropping the double standard and treating transmisogyny on a par with other forms of bigotry? Yaknow, since you claim to be defenders of trans people and all...@via @winter
(DIR) Post #AZidQ5cvgMy3nQETiK by efjbgc@denton.social
2023-09-13T06:31:06Z
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@AnCuRuadh @via @winter Saying transmisogyny doesn't matter is the opposite of what we said. Apart from being mostly trans ourselves, we actually specifically said that it's important to recognize that it does matter, and it also matters when we react to it in a way that makes POC feel unsafe. Again, maybe that's not happening here, so if that's the case then ignore us and let the statement stand on its own. Our entire claim is that it is a thing that happens, whether it's happening now is entirely unknown to us. We have no interest in getting into internet arguments, as we find them rarely productive, especially when again we were just tagged into a conversation with very little context
(DIR) Post #AZidQ6J79WiBuFyAT2 by AnCuRuadh@awwter.online
2023-09-13T06:33:55Z
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@efjbgc Maybe don't boost the thread full of blatant transmisogyny then? If you wanna say you made an oopsie, fine, take the damn thing down, if you wanna leave it up you got some questions to answer. Like, why you're tone policing folks that are rightly angry about some nasty bigotry? Why you're whatabouting a very obvious case of transmisogyny? Why you boosted the damn thing in the first place? Questions like that?@via @winter
(DIR) Post #AZjKak9W9yoGPPnmQC by via@kitty.social
2023-09-13T16:39:02.275Z
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@efjbgc@denton.social @winter@social.translunar.academy more tea:RE: https://0w0.is/objects/14e758b6-104a-4a7f-b9f3-e1bcb809a5b4