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 (DIR) Post #AZXhMR4SHJPZgKbkwa by adam@hax0rbana.social
       2023-09-08T01:57:33Z
       
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       OK, environmental policy discussion time!In the UK, there appear to be areas where only ultra low emissions vehicles can drive without incuring a fine.https://metro.co.uk/2023/07/30/which-vehicles-are-exempt-from-ulez-full-list-of-exclusions-19216073/What are the entirely predictable consequences of such a law?Wealthy people probably have a new car and will pay nothing. Or maybe they have a gas guzzler from the 1972 or earlier, in which case they will still pay nothing thanks to a loophole.So who is impacted?
       
 (DIR) Post #AZXhNblW0AdX8jJA3c by adam@hax0rbana.social
       2023-09-08T01:57:47Z
       
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       The people who either:1. choose to use a car for as long as possible, thus using less metal, plastic and other materials used in production2. can't afford a late model carSo they probably can't afford the fine and/or don't want to break environmental regulations. So what is the expected result? They drive around the zone... in their higher emission cars.When environmentalists argue for better emissions laws, this is not what they want.
       
 (DIR) Post #AZXxKb9jPSUneDDoEi by seanm@infosec.exchange
       2023-09-08T04:56:26Z
       
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       @adam I think this will only be the short-term situation. In a few years, the wealthy people will upgrade to the latest models and sell their older, emissions-compliant vehicles on the used market. The cycle will repeat as each class upgrades and resells.As this progresses, the wealthy will continue to fund the bleeding edge technology and manufacturing efficiency will increase (possibly bringing down some costs or at least adding functionality).Changing an entire system usually needs to be done in iterations, not massive sweeps. This may require an adjustment period with some negative outcomes.I've also read that health outcomes have seen improvements in these zones of lower emissions. Vehicle emissions are toxic and harmful, so lowering them in population dense areas is also a societal (and economic) positive.
       
 (DIR) Post #AZjeIQzudYTos6r8zY by adam@hax0rbana.social
       2023-09-13T20:19:46Z
       
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       @seanmSome people have found another way to make it a short term problem: destroy the cameras that are enforcing these rules.https://bird.makeup/users/trhlofficial/statuses/1702041428770033855