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(DIR) Post #AZKyAZKV9FzAOL5NIW by stux@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T22:34:36Z
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Why Is There So Much Right-Wing Media?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ApjSrB6E1c
(DIR) Post #AZKyFYcbCz43dwvguG by admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net
2023-09-01T22:35:31Z
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@stux because there's so much left-wing media, and balance must be maintained?
(DIR) Post #AZKyG2EX71dhTzttYm by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-01T22:35:41Z
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@stux Right-wing a few years back felt like it was dying off. Then left-wing went to super extremist mode and then the right-wing saw a resurgance in response.. now i cant tolerate either side anymore.
(DIR) Post #AZKyHYYIRBIk0Vs0Po by stux@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T22:35:43Z
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@admin no
(DIR) Post #AZKyJbmXOt9cbSVfkG by stux@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T22:36:19Z
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@freemo It's mostly 2 families who "control" or "invest" so much in it, it's kinda scary
(DIR) Post #AZKyNJIi3RxMRYK6BU by admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net
2023-09-01T22:36:53Z
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@stux Because there will be media to support whatever world view anyone has... It is what it is.
(DIR) Post #AZKyOnwxaSoln1rXhA by starship_lizard@geekdom.social
2023-09-01T22:37:10Z
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@stux because money.
(DIR) Post #AZKyPvLTZoQX12razI by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-01T22:37:27Z
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@stux I mean thats true of left wing too.. a few super rich billionairs make up most of the lefts narrative just like on the right.
(DIR) Post #AZKyS9ejLDpFyivv9s by stux@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T22:37:34Z
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@admin Oh yeah that's always the case, but the huge increase and amount is not by accident
(DIR) Post #AZKyTbpU4vu7e8emPo by stux@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T22:38:05Z
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@starship_lizard exactly..
(DIR) Post #AZKyWYOBKHnfqSI3lY by admin@mastodon.ai8w.ddns.net
2023-09-01T22:38:25Z
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@stux I doubt it's a sudden increase - we're just seeing more of it because we're looking for it, now.
(DIR) Post #AZKyX8IlnsrVE62FKS by FallsMom@mastodon.coffee
2023-09-01T22:38:34Z
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@stux Is this also true in The Netherlands? Much right wing chatter here is on radio, in addition to tv.
(DIR) Post #AZKyXKfBqLvTZ6cJwO by stux@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T22:38:37Z
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@freemo Oh I bet! But the amount and extremes are faaaaar less
(DIR) Post #AZKyaEU5H1zlGmnzcW by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-01T22:39:20Z
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@stux Less extremes in what sense? Ideological?
(DIR) Post #AZKybqWhJrVJXqnUZs by stux@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T22:39:34Z
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@FallsMom Not as extreme luckilyThere are right wing parties but not as lunatic as in the US :amaze: There where but they where dropped rapidly because it was just too mad
(DIR) Post #AZKyprDbXjZlkHY0xs by stux@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T22:42:04Z
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@freemo Uh, noo not persee I think but the lies perhapsNot sure if i say it right but the "depths" of the lies if you know what i meanFar right is soo damn extreme, in many views like voilence etc
(DIR) Post #AZKz4qKp6uLVLh4Oh6 by thatguyoverthere@shitposter.club
2023-09-01T22:44:54.863961Z
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@stux @freemo violence isn't a lie. It might be the only real truth anyone actually knows.
(DIR) Post #AZKz9kPyXL6ARhonvk by ZySoua@mastodon.ml
2023-09-01T22:45:46Z
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@stux for me it’s not even that much about right or left wing as much as about the “talking heads”, who push the narrative and agendas and brainwash people to believe things. Who tell other people whom to hate, what to hate, when to hate and why to hate.
(DIR) Post #AZKzH9x9znNBfXsHse by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-01T22:47:06Z
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@stux In terms of lies I think there is some truth there. But I think it has less to do with them intentionally lying and more to do with the fact that the right tends to be less educated than the left, so I think that is more the higher idiocy levels with see more so than intentionally lying (plenty of that too but the intentional sort of lies Id say are equal to left and right).As for the far rights extreme on my views... I mean yea I agree, but I see the same super extreme on the left. I've heard as many on the left call for white genocide as those on the right calling for minority genocide, for example (and for the record its a small minority on both sides in that regard). Or take taxes, I've heard views from the left that supports pure communism (100% tax rate) which matches the extreme nature of some of the most extreme on the right who call for no or nearly no taxes.
(DIR) Post #AZKzMFqhVDy3P1HagS by dynode@mas.to
2023-09-01T22:47:56Z
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@stux A lot of grifters seeking that sweet money 😋
(DIR) Post #AZKzOwLyRXcLo5BuTY by lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T22:48:31Z
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@freemo @stux If you're referring to extremes in the US, that would include the attempted violent overthrow of the US Government on January 6 and now Trump/right wing second run at it. This what-aboutism is intellectually dishonest.
(DIR) Post #AZKzPoNFb0izLgCgxk by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-09-01T22:48:42.086647Z
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@thatguyoverthere @stux @freemo violence is also a proven way to have fun, especially against old people and small children
(DIR) Post #AZKzjfPccp3nLVmT44 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-01T22:52:15Z
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@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux Yes I am talking about the US, but really any english speaking country at this point is on its way there.So when I pointed out the extremism of the right, which you just confirmed, you find that intellectually dishonest? Weird, but ok. First time I heard someone say i was intellectually dishonest while in the same breath literally spewing "counter" points that agree with exactly what I was saying, that the right (and left) have been quite extreme lately. Or are you one of those people who cant help but hear someone defending one evil entity simply because they criticize some other evil entity?
(DIR) Post #AZKzmhVTILRgi5xnHc by lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T22:52:44Z
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@stux You have to go back to Murdoch hiring Roger Ailes, Nixon's guy, to create Fox News, which was originally and became increasingly a propaganda outlet for the right. They got eventually got rid of all their reporters and only do "opinion" on their programming. The adverse ruling obtained by Dominion made much more clear exactly what they were doing, which was supporting the insurrection and that continues.
(DIR) Post #AZL0LO8pHoPymkua7U by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-01T22:59:05Z
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@freemo I know you're a committed "both sides do it" :) but I'm thinking of the MANY preachers and whatnot currently spreading the message that gay and trans people are mentally ill, are "groomers" and child abusers, and so on. I don't even know what a similar extreme on the left would be. "Gay people aren't mentally ill" just doesn't hit the same way. And "kids are in more danger from youth pastors than from drag queens " is just objectively true.cc: @stux
(DIR) Post #AZL0OaQk3KOfleogXA by lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T22:59:39Z
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@freemo @stux Seems I hit a nerve - your statement equated current extremism on the right - with the left. All domestic terrorism in the US for more the 20 years has been from the right. NO domestic terrorism from the left or anyone else. Per the FBI. There is no domestic terrorism (i.e., political violence) by the left in the US. So I think you've engaged in a false equivalency, which is intellectually dishonest. Just own it.
(DIR) Post #AZL0dQNhhGcAweTFWi by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-01T23:02:19Z
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@ceoln Not every fucked up message has an inverted equally fucked up one on the other side. But for every fucked up thing you can find there is an equal measure of fucked up (though perhaps unrelated) stuff on the other side.For example the most extreme left has the view of "We should take away hard earned pocessions of people, everyone, and give it away to all the people who didnt work for it" I mean the counter to communism of "You can keep the things you earned" just doesnt have the same kick to it either.@stux
(DIR) Post #AZL0jyhwz6339149S4 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-01T23:03:31Z
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@lawyersgunsnmoney Taking something that represents 0.00001% of the problem (terrorism) and using it as a model to equate the whole problem... now that is intellectually dishonest!@stux
(DIR) Post #AZL0kFERY3XwOQOKJs by drunkenpriapus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-09-01T23:01:38.928844Z
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@Soy_Magnus violence? Nice @thatguyoverthere @freemo @stux
(DIR) Post #AZL0kG9s6XU3GXGBpg by Soy_Magnus@detroitriotcity.com
2023-09-01T23:03:35.480041Z
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@drunkenpriapus @freemo @stux @thatguyoverthere its real violence hour
(DIR) Post #AZL1KFdnVO2i5PQ5ia by lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T23:10:04Z
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@freemo @stux Political violence and threats from the right happens here every single day. The grand jurors in GA were doxed and are receiving death threats, the J6 committee members still receive death threats, 3 people were just shot in FL by a racist Nazi. Read the news, not propaganda, and it will open your eyes hopefully. You just don't like anyone calling you on your shit, apparently.
(DIR) Post #AZL1ZojVJezfGYVm5Y by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-01T23:12:53Z
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@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux When you live in a country of 300 million people then saying it happens everyday is not a rebuttal to what I said. There are fringe cases of terrorism, no doubt. and im not debating if that leans right or left. But its such a small microscopic part of the overall extremism using it to represent the whole picture of the extreme is, as I said, intellectually dishonest.
(DIR) Post #AZL2E7FRtcoYH0fYgq by lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T23:20:09Z
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@freemo @stux Sorry buddy, that is a weak response. You've lost the argument. My view is accurate is based on facts, which is intellectually honest. You can discount, minimize or whatever, but apparently you don't live here and you don't see it. Your profile looks familiar - are you the guy who signed the NDA with Meta? I'm curious, though maybe that was someone else
(DIR) Post #AZL2ekhXphHeAFVoCO by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-01T23:24:57Z
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@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux Sorry buddy, that is a weak response. You’ve lost the argument. My view is accurate is based on facts, which is intellectually honest.Its not, and i pointed out precisely why its intellectually dishonest. Sadly more than facts are needed to make an argument, they also need to stand up to logical consistenty, which I pointed out why they didnt here (you are using something that happens at a very small fraction as a benchmark to judge eh whole of the extremities).Also the fact thatyou care more about “winning” than seeking truth is very telling inteeed. but apparently you don’t live here and you don’t see it.No I live here. Moved back about a few months ago. While I do try to stay out of the country a lot I grew up here and know the lay of the land quite well. I’ve had a house int he USA for 20 some years. Your profile looks familiar - are you the guy who signed the NDA with Meta? I’m curious, though maybe that was someone elseI did not. We are one of the oldest instances in the Fedi, and of course I was approached to sign the NDA, but I refused to do so.
(DIR) Post #AZL3FwCQ2wZSXUgVpw by lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T23:31:42Z
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@freemo @stux I always seek the truth and cut away the propaganda and false equivalence, as in this thread. It appears my work here is done. Good day.
(DIR) Post #AZL3ZH2GnlsSfE9pyq by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-01T23:35:10Z
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@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux Why is it the people who always lie to themselves the most always say this.
(DIR) Post #AZL3nsvAk0WsDZnxhY by Imakethingsforu@mastodon.social
2023-09-01T23:37:21Z
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@stux even ground news is a bit obnoxious, even if it is accurate at pointing out the slant of an article. I wish they'd add a category for working class vs the rich instead of left vs right.
(DIR) Post #AZL5igEIhSz5JgOjXE by lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.social
2023-09-01T23:59:19Z
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@freemo @stux "lie to themselves the most"? Not sure what you're referring to, but you haven't supported anything you've said. Now you've moved on to ad hominem and projection. Good luck with that.
(DIR) Post #AZL5oZaEK8P0ROSttI by webhat@infosec.exchange
2023-09-02T00:00:13Z
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@stux grifters gonna grif
(DIR) Post #AZL6TMWRmz41o195bk by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T00:07:44Z
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@lawyersgunsnmoney @stux I havent asserted anything yet that needs backing up. Been dealing with your ego the whole time.
(DIR) Post #AZL6jnu5kmRvMR2rR2 by lawyersgunsnmoney@mstdn.social
2023-09-02T00:10:43Z
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@freemo @stux Are you adding "gaslighting" to your skill set? 😂 My ego isn't demanding that I have the last word in our discussion bro
(DIR) Post #AZL7eaBrPcBXKsQkpU by davidgaw@techhub.social
2023-09-02T00:20:53Z
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@stux It was a reaction to the large number of left-wing media sites, including most of the largest (CBS, NBC, ABC, CNN, the NYT, MSNBC, the Washington Post, LA Times, the AP, the BBC, HuffPo, BuzzFeed, and Vox all lean left) under-serving right-leaning news consumers. In America, at least, that's a large market, currently representing (per Gallup) about 47 percent of the population. That's a lot of consumers for an untapped market. Started with talk radio in the 90s, then Fox News in the late 90s, then exploded as the internet and blogs and social media lowered the barriers to entry.
(DIR) Post #AZL8yX6ufkGjWuC32O by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T00:35:42Z
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@athousandcateaus Im aware of communism, and yes its more complicated than a 100% Tax rste. You need to make it more complicates for people to be fooled into thinking it coukd work.As for being on the left and not seeing thr extremis. Sadly that is very common, it can be very hard for people to see their own sides extremism and very easy to see it on the otherside.
(DIR) Post #AZLBFCIpUKfNpJqCtE by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T01:01:07Z
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@athousandcateaus I do t recall saying the number of people calling for genocide on both sides specifically was identical.Also we arent talking about centrists here being the ones with reasonable true perspective.. if anything we are implying left, moderate left, center left, and centrist are all more rational than extreme/alt left. Same for tbe right. I think that its fair to say ideologically nonextreme people are going to be more rational on almost any topic.
(DIR) Post #AZLDJB2CLTCWxa5T7Y by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T01:24:15Z
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@athousandcateaus Perhaps you are a white person so they are less likely to say it arou d you than me. Whatever the reason my personal expiernces certainly have been about equal from both sides on this (talking in the streets not whatever view you get from the news.Rational here tends to mean a push to objectivity, reason, and facts, as opposed to trying to twist to match your assumptions.
(DIR) Post #AZLHogCeuV9oQDG0nI by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T02:14:52Z
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@freemo No, that's capitalism! :) Communism is exactly that the workers should control the means of production, and the value that they produce with it. Capitalism is when the value goes to non-workers whose names are on the title-deeds to the buildings they work in, or equivalent.We were talking about lies, though, at least originally, not about general fucked-up-ness. As well as lying about queer people, the right lies about for instance who won the Presidential election. Again I can't think of anything especially equivalent on the left.As Colbert said, reality has a well known liberal bias!@stux
(DIR) Post #AZLI3XrGDfsQsqKwRk by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T02:17:32Z
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@ceoln @stux Absolute nonsense.
(DIR) Post #AZLIAioprjLeuBcmwq by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T02:18:51Z
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@freemo If you say so! Those are sort of the definitions of communism and capitalism though...@stux
(DIR) Post #AZLIHx13TnJgxomsC0 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T02:20:07Z
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@ceoln @stux Not really capitalism is not defined as taking the things i paid for, again absurdity.
(DIR) Post #AZLIoSjj4xKKbsBV4a by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T02:26:01Z
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@freemo Of course it is! Capitalism is when a worker produces $X of value, and that $X goes to the owner of the means of production that the worker used to produce the value; the owner then gives the worker a wage of some $Y << $X, and keeps the rest. (And mutatis mutandis for landlords, police, etc.)I think what's happening here is that you're assuming that what's in the paycheck is what the worker "earned", and what's in the stock value is what the capitalist "earned", and what's in the rent check is what the landlord "earned", and it's only alterations to that distribution that counts as "taking" from someone. But the taking occurred at the point that the value produced by the worker went to the owner instead.It's all about how you analyze the economic dynamics. If you accept the assumptions of capitalism, then of course everyone gets what they "should". But the assumptions deserve to be questioned.@stux
(DIR) Post #AZLJUATrLPBu9WeLMu by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T02:33:31Z
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@ceoln @stux > Of course it is! Capitalism is when a worker produces $X of value, and that $X goes to the owner of the means of production that the worker used to produce the value; the owner then gives the worker a wage of some $Y << $X, and keeps the rest. (And mutatis mutandis for landlords, police, etc.)But thats not accurate at all. In capitalism is where the owner lets the worker borrow their stuff to make stuff with, at a fixed agreement where both owner and worker get the cut they agreed to.In communism the equipment is stolen from the person who worked to buy them.
(DIR) Post #AZLJlt8wXiSzauJeqW by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T02:36:47Z
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@freemo I will only mildly suggest that you consider whether the worker and the owner really have equal power in the making of that agreement. And, for that matter, how the owner came to own the stuff in the first place. :)But I was actually more interested in the stuff about the lies, given how utterly over-the-top the mainstream GOP even has been going. Is there an equivalent set of "barefaced lies about objective facts, told boldly from the podium (lectern)" on the left, that I'm not thinking of?@stux
(DIR) Post #AZLK1CrPW6up5dQ4PY by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T02:39:31Z
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@ceoln @stux Who said equal power? Why would they or should they. You shoukd have the power you invested into earning.
(DIR) Post #AZLKEzykCvo9ByQV2u by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T02:41:59Z
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@freemo It's a relatively common principle in law that a contract is not valid if there is an overwhelming power discrepancy between the parties. See also, for instance, company towns and the "voluntary" nature of the purchases that the employees make from their stores. The idea that workers "voluntarily" enter into an agreement to use the means of production that "belong" to the owners, in exchange for giving up most of the value that they produce, is similar.@stux
(DIR) Post #AZLKOYtbkv385laGrw by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T02:43:44Z
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@ceoln @stux Which law? Lets be specific.
(DIR) Post #AZLL1hKQKzzDXSmwTo by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T02:50:49Z
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@freemoUS law is the one that's easiest to find online :) but I think it's relatively widespread. And it's a general principle of justice as well: if one party to a contract has no real choice in the matter, then the contract isn't voluntarily entered into.Some links that might be useful:https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/unconscionabilityhttps://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/adhesion_contract_(contract_of_adhesion)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inequality_of_bargaining_powerhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_slavery@stux
(DIR) Post #AZLLqTwBssgOmCfYOm by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T02:59:59Z
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@ceoln @stux So this is different than what you said. Its not about if onenparty has overwhlmingly more power at all. You are talki g about signing under duress, which obviously doesnt apply to communism/capitalism as you dont even need to take the employment contract at all, you can start your own company or just contract for your employer as well.
(DIR) Post #AZLMVQm2YGC0pyRnZw by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T03:07:25Z
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@freemo I'm not sure how those are different. "One party having overwhelmingly more power" and "one party being under duress" are obviously closely related things! :)@stux
(DIR) Post #AZLMhNMT451hjFBL60 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T03:09:33Z
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@ceoln @stux Not according to every us court every, or for that matter any other court. They are hugely different things. The fact that you can compete fornhire with multiple other employers or even work for yourself and do the same work as a contractor means you arent under duress and have many choices.
(DIR) Post #AZLMwbH7cFetE1wOp6 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T03:12:19Z
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@ceoln @stux Communist really struggle with the simple concept that just because someone has a lot more than you doesnt mean you are suffering or in duress.
(DIR) Post #AZLNbOiXD7H29PDVAG by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T03:19:42Z
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@freemo I'm not actually a communist, but I do have a great deal of sympathy for the analysis. And it's not "someone has a lot more than you" that's the problem, I promise. :) It's about unjust structures that result in (among other things) wealth inequality.@stux
(DIR) Post #AZLQ3wxRhMymMWvxVQ by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T03:47:15Z
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@ceoln @stux Then stick to arguing about unjust structures rather than how much someone has earned for themselves.
(DIR) Post #AZLQPKIA8bqIoToiFk by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T03:51:08Z
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@freemo They're very closely related! :)@stux
(DIR) Post #AZLRKugjUQjCCUlkBs by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T04:01:30Z
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@ceoln @stux Not at all. They can be indirectly correlated by not causative association.
(DIR) Post #AZLRSgh5P7PH7Adpey by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T04:02:57Z
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@freemoSure! Closely related in all sorts of ways.@stux
(DIR) Post #AZLT417EXVIX7WEfMO by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T04:20:52Z
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@ceoln @stux Not in any way causally...
(DIR) Post #AZLTBFT1ZyvFepsOWW by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T04:22:12Z
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@freemo The current wealth distribution is caused by (inter alia) the prevailing economic structures and institutions.@stux
(DIR) Post #AZLTQDrZpDxn1iV6dE by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T04:24:53Z
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@ceoln @stux Well depends what you mean. If you mean the fact that somenpeople have a lot of money, then no. If you mean the fact that money is a bit easier for nonminorities than minorities in any particular society, then yes.
(DIR) Post #AZLUTEo4sDJWmArjJw by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T04:36:40Z
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@freemo I mean all the details of who has how much resources. I think it's reasonably obvious that the economic structures and institutions have a lot of causal influence over that?Resources don't just move around on their own :) they are channeled and guided by institutions.@stux
(DIR) Post #AZLUty2ZJmSwaxOCSO by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T04:41:28Z
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@ceoln @stux You said the unjust aspects of the structure, we disagree on that notnif structures are involved.
(DIR) Post #AZLV2tIeJSuaUyALnU by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T04:43:06Z
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@freemo Okay! :) I'm not sure if you mean that there aren't any unjust aspects, or if the unjust aspects don't cause properties of the resource distribution. But that's okay.@stux
(DIR) Post #AZLehQMdhOccDUR1XM by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T06:31:15Z
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@ceoln @stux There are plenty of unjuat aspects. But having ubeven wealth distribution is not caused by injustice if we are talming rich vs poor ratio. There is unjustice when we talk about distribution between some demographics like race.
(DIR) Post #AZMNuY8waF1K2qf5qS by ceoln@qoto.org
2023-09-02T14:57:52Z
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@freemo I tend to disagree; the fact that 1% of the people in the world control half the wealth seems unjust to me, and it's certainly due to the world's economic structures and institutions. If you think it's just fine and just, that's up to you of course!The unjust distribution across races is, as you say, also unjust, and also due to (among other things) those same structures and institutions.@stux
(DIR) Post #AZMOy1IWkBTNHzMYoS by boxoboo@mastodon.social
2023-09-02T15:09:37Z
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@stux Before watching the video, I knew the Kochs and Wilks would be mentioned. I think simply calling PragerU, Daily Wire, Jordan Peterson, etc. "Right-Wing Media" is a little too generous. It's important that we call them grifters, and why they are grifters! One of hbomberguy's videos "The War On Christmas: A Measured Response" does a great job explaining how InfoWars and PragerU live off of lies.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbZo4x0NbbI
(DIR) Post #AZMp2DqYcw9oAvwdeq by freemo@qoto.org
2023-09-02T20:01:45Z
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@ceoln > I tend to disagree; the fact that 1% of the people in the world control half the wealth seems unjust to me, and it's certainly due to the world's economic structures and institutions.People being able to keep what they earn and work hard and take the risks on is not unjust. If i am the only one int he village spending all my time chopping wood and therefore have much more wealth than everyone else its kinda childish and silly for allt he villagers to complain and demand some free wood. go chop your own.The majority of rich people in the USA started out poor or middle class, there is injustice, but not in the ways you imagine.@stux