Post AZL2wLTQMrF38OIR9s by Wildbill@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AZL2aqOMjW9Megg4hs by J12t@social.coop
2023-09-01T20:13:09Z
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I think I have been on the internet for 33 years now. 1990 sounds about right.The original wow factor for me was Usenet. You could just run this app — it wasn’t called an app then — on a close Apollo workstation, in my case, and have these incredibly knowledgeable discussions on arcane subjects you’d never find anybody in real life to talk about, and with people around the world. For free, too!If you were patient because I think for about 30 people we had one 9600 baud line.
(DIR) Post #AZL2arIjLxEjTV35Yu by shoq@mastodon.social
2023-09-01T21:02:47Z
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@J12t Back in those days, I had business acquaintance with UseNet heavy, Jim Rutt (later CEO of Verisign and coiner of ‘snail mail.”) He used to say something like, “Usenet is where it’s at. We just don’t know where that is just yet.”Younger nerds may enjoy some of these particulars about Usenet and its earliest incarnation of ‘newsgroups.’ https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24771354
(DIR) Post #AZL2as2SbvoflKRbqC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-01T23:24:13Z
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@shoq @J12t I was just a little too late getting online for UseNet. For me, email was the original fediverse, back before businesses and government discovered it was cheaper than letters, and only a handful of geeks were, using it. Everything important I know about tech was learned on email lists.
(DIR) Post #AZL2wLTQMrF38OIR9s by Wildbill@mastodon.social
2023-09-01T20:36:12Z
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@J12t I miss the days of USENET. There was a magic to it that has been lost, though Mastodon seems to channel the occasional flash of it now and again.
(DIR) Post #AZL2wPPfikcJLuZUrg by J12t@social.coop
2023-09-01T20:41:46Z
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@Wildbill I think it was a very special (and privileged) set of people at that pre-web Usenet time who suddenly, like me, found a tribe of like-minded people they couldn’t have imagined existed. The fediverse today in many ways has the same demographics I think. It’s less group-focused though, not sure whether this is good or bad.
(DIR) Post #AZL2wQIcQSZM6KHNVg by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-01T23:28:03Z
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@J12t> The fediverse today in many ways has the same demographics I think. It’s less group-focused though, not sure whether this is good or badThe emergence of the "threadiverse" due to the great Reddit exodus is starting to change that. I think standardising groups is the next big thing for the verse. Combined with messenger apps like Sup, that could finally ready the verse to be the FB giantkiller we've been hoping for since the Diaspora Kickstarter.@Wildbill
(DIR) Post #AZO11iH5P98ordpwxM by jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
2023-09-02T08:20:17Z
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@Strypey @Johannes Ernst I wouldn't bet on total standardisation of #groups on all #Fediverse projects. Sure, #Lemmy and #/kbin could approach each other further.But even #Friendica (the original Facebook challenger) on the one hand and #Hubzilla and #Streams on the other hand handle group functionality differently, also because they've got different sets of user permission parameters. And these projects were all started by the same guy and are part of the same family. Since Hubzilla and (streams) both won't approach other projects if that means giving up key features of their own and re-thinking how they themselves work, even standardisation between these three would mean that Friendica would have to become more like Hubzilla.The difference is even bigger between Lemmy//kbin on the one hand and Friendica/Hubzilla/(streams) on the other hand. A Lemmy community or a /kbin magazine is a specific piece of instance structure, like a sub-instance. On Friendica, a forum/group is a user account with specific settings. Likewise, on Hubzilla and (streams), a forum/group is a user channel with specific settings. If you want to fully standardise this, all you could possibly do is throw Lemmy and /kbin as they are now away and rebuild them as (streams) forks.If #Mastodon should join the fray, chances are that they'll re-invent the wheel and try to bully the rest of the Fediverse into doing everything the way they do them by going on pretending that nothing else but Mastodon exists out there.
(DIR) Post #AZO11jZuYdnGuJeUwC by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-03T09:50:36Z
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@jupiter_rowland> I wouldn't bet on total standardisation of groups on all Fediverse projectsThere's more than one way to do grouping. FB, for example has "Groups" and "Pages", and Messenger chat groups. @erlend has a pretty decent go at laying them out various group types here:https://blog.erlend.sh/transitioning-r-rust-to-the-threadiverseProbably the first thing we need to standardise is a shared vocab for describing the various group types. Then figuring which type is appropriate to each existing app.@J12t
(DIR) Post #AZOwxbLe2BgovJiTtA by jupiter_rowland@hub.netzgemeinde.eu
2023-09-03T10:50:15Z
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@Strypey Even that will require the involvement of all devs.You can't decide upon a new nomenclature behind the backs of the #Hubzilla main dev @Mario Vavti and the #Streams main dev (and #Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams) creator) @Mike Macgirvin, then put proverbial guns on their chests and force them to adapt that nomenclature or else. Especially Mario will not let anyone do that to Hubzilla, and Mike most likely wouldn't either.And @Erlend Sogge Heggen only mentions #Lemmy communities and #/kbin magazines which are essentially the same, plus he mentions group functionality being planned for three more projects based on #ActivityPub. That's all.He doesn't say a word about how to handle or even integrate groups/forums as they already exist on Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams). He doesn't mention Friendica, Hubzilla or (streams) at all. It seems as if he's still completely unaware of their existence, much less of their existing group/forum functionality. All in spite of Fediverse News being a popular public Friendica group with lots and lots of #Mastodon users as members.@Johannes Ernst
(DIR) Post #AZOwxedpn11R8bFY9o by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-03T20:39:55Z
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@jupiter_rowland> then put proverbial guns on their chests and force them to adapt that nomenclature or elseCalm the farm there buddy. Nobody is proposing anything of the sort. @mario @mike @J12t
(DIR) Post #AZPjSTLAeUNSrhHTZA by strypey@mastodon.nzoss.nz
2023-09-04T05:43:22Z
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@jupiter_rowland @erlend @J12t Another recent blog post relevant to the topic of federated groups:https://deadsuperhero.com/2023/04/groups-vs-hashtags/