Post AZKjhmR5wR7PHfY2im by bthalpin@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AZJkoDHQxDBD4bhV1E by matthannon@mastodon.energy
2023-09-01T08:30:18Z
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What continues to blow my tiny mind is how we have yet to see any major political party apply the following logic chain:1. "Wow, lots of people are really unhappy and open to change" (Group 1)2. "Ok, there's a vocal and powerful minority (Group 2) who likes things how they are, but they are dwarfed by Group 1"3. "Polling suggests resounding support for measures that tackle climate change, improve the environment and tackle the cost of living. People also want well-paid and secure jobs" /1
(DIR) Post #AZJl8DRw2AMlOG9OXg by matthannon@mastodon.energy
2023-09-01T08:33:56Z
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4. "So what we need to do is present a compelling vision of a cleaner, leaner and fairer economy, where we double down on fast-growing green sectors and re-distribute the wealth it creates"5. "Oh wow, we won the election. That's great"This over-simplifies the complexities of politics but the fact Labour are wavering on their Green New Deal approach suggests they don't think this is a vote winner.I'd like to know why. I think this is the route to electoral victory for 2024 & beyond. /end
(DIR) Post #AZKVvlXMgJlTByFtpY by Tony_Meredith@mastodon.me.uk
2023-09-01T17:18:17Z
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@matthannon I admit it, I've unfollowed a politely angry climate activist. I've also not made many steps to reduce my own CO2 output. (Apart from fewer miles by car.) And yet, there's the elephant in everyone's room.So, without any external evidence at all, I'd suspect that most potential voters still feel dealing with climate change is an optional extra for government policy. Not an existential threat. And Biden got elected first, as I recall. Let's try to elect some reasonable people.1/2
(DIR) Post #AZKczSl98c7Rn8PaN6 by 0bvious@mastodon.social
2023-09-01T18:37:23Z
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@matthannon This sentiment is one I’ve wrestled with for quite some time myself. I think there’s a fundamental flaw in the premise, however - It assumes that our votes are the ones being sought. Considering the divide between public sentiment and government actions, it might cause one to consider whether some people can “afford more votes” as it were than you and I.
(DIR) Post #AZKhmsWsVxQninYZFI by ImpossibleUmbrella@infosec.exchange
2023-09-01T19:31:09Z
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@matthannon Honestly I think the logic is that younger people care about this stuff but older people (are at least perceived to) vote more… so I think they’re following the numbers that they think will vote - even though I agree with you that it’s not the best way (and obviously isn’t right from an environmental perspective).
(DIR) Post #AZKiU02sRgHFU65MjA by Sc0tty@ohai.social
2023-09-01T19:38:56Z
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@matthannon They think it’s too high risk, and they fear lack of support from the media and attacks from ‘populists’ who just exploit controversy over reality. Sadly the political ‘logic’ where we have first past post just entrenches the current approach. But as you say, reality will be with us very soon and be very scary, frightened to think how that will be dealt with by politicians who are already showing their willingness to embrace totalitarianism.
(DIR) Post #AZKjhmR5wR7PHfY2im by bthalpin@mastodon.social
2023-09-01T19:52:36Z
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@matthannon The main problem is that action on climate change immediately creates opportunities for wreckers: sources of funding from industries negatively affected by changes, sources of votes from groups who don't like change. A vibrant ecosystem that can support people who just get in the way. From Sunak's mates who can pay enough to make voting for drilling attractive again, to the Irish Farmers Assocn who can make the Irish Environmental Protection Agy retract an "eat less beef" tweet.
(DIR) Post #AZKqDVtbZXuEyeOkpk by kennethb@mastodon.world
2023-09-01T21:05:36Z
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@matthannon It is a matter of giving NO hostages to fortune until they are in office. Realpolitik.
(DIR) Post #AZLtfSlDJiLsNkS67M by sorenhave@mastodon.nu
2023-09-02T09:18:57Z
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@matthannon I think it is the assumption that Group 2 is dwarfed by Group 1. Maybe in numbers, but not in power. Most lobby organisations represent status quo interests.
(DIR) Post #AZNjwdmwxRp8HYjioS by largess@mastodon.au
2023-09-03T06:39:25Z
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@matthannon>What continues to blow my tiny mind is how we have yet to see any major political partyNot sure where you live but for years The Greens in NZ, Australia and UK for example have all klaxonned climate change as part of their policy platform and got precisely no where. So, when voters ARE given the option they ignore it, that tells you the same as it tell the politicans. That while there is lots of pearl clutching and self delusion, there is NO widespread support for effective mitigation or adaption.>Polling suggests resounding support for measures that tackle #climatechangeThe only poll that matters is the election.