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(DIR) Post #AZGI4znWr0jW2KU21g by MishaalRahman@androiddev.social
2023-08-30T16:24:13Z
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Congrats to Fairphone for the launch of the Fairphone 5! Promising 8 years of software support (5 major Android OS updates) for a consumer smartphone is a first in the industry!The Fairphone 5 ships with Android 13 out of the box and should receive OS updates all the way to Android 18!
(DIR) Post #AZGI5ar150VWxrOq6C by MishaalRahman@androiddev.social
2023-08-30T16:24:21Z
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This is largely made possible by the company's decision to use the QCM6490 SoC, one of Qualcomm's IoT platforms. Qualcomm offers extended software support for its industrial IoT platforms compared to its consumer mobile platforms. The QCM6490 is roughly equivalent in specs to the Snapdragon 778G, so the Fairphone 5 will have fairly mid-range performance. Still, I think the benefit of significantly longer software support from the silicon vendor outweighs the downsides.
(DIR) Post #AZGI6fZH2V7psEc7FI by MishaalRahman@androiddev.social
2023-08-30T16:24:33Z
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I didn't even know that there were Qualcomm IoT platforms with BSPs that support Android, but apparently, the QCM6490 is "purpose-built for industrial and commercial IoT applications such as ruggedized handhelds and tablets..." Indeed, the Fairphone 5 isn't the only Android smartphone to have this chip, as there are other devices like the AGM G2 Guardian with it.
(DIR) Post #AZGI7VywAKYEQt1LSy by MishaalRahman@androiddev.social
2023-08-30T16:24:42Z
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It remains to be seen if Fairphone will actually be able to deliver on their promise of 5 major Android OS updates, though I have no doubt that they have the technical capability and drive to do so. We don't really know what Android's hardware requirements will be like in 2028, after all.Qualcomm used to publish its software support roadmaps for its IoT platforms. This roadmap for the QCM6490 is dated July 2021, so it's possible it has already been extended.
(DIR) Post #AZGI8IZ5XDzP6uItTk by MishaalRahman@androiddev.social
2023-08-30T16:24:50Z
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QCM6490/QCS6490 Android support planAndroid version | ACK | Launch config | CS | Std. SW maintenance EOL | Ext. Life SW maintenance EOL11 (R), 5.4 NPI, Jul’21 4Q22 4Q2812 (S), 5.4 NPI, OTA 4Q21 4Q23 4Q2813 (T), 5.4 NPI, OTA 4Q22 4Q24 4Q2814 (U), 5.4 NPI, OTA 4Q23 4Q25 4Q2815 (V), 5.X NPI, OTA 4Q24 4Q25 4Q28
(DIR) Post #AZGI9c3MYzKpqG5iPg by MishaalRahman@androiddev.social
2023-08-30T16:25:05Z
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If this roadmap is still correct, and the QCM6490 is indeed a GRF'd platform, then it's possible the Fairphone 5 is launching with Android 13 on top of a vendor implementation built for Android 11 with a Linux 5.4 kernel. And by 2028, it'll be running Android 18 with a vendor built for Android 15 and a compatible version of the Linux kernel (the oldest supported Linux kernel version is bumped each release eg. Android 15 will drop Linux 4.14 support).
(DIR) Post #AZGIAHJ3BZFFmmkK3c by MishaalRahman@androiddev.social
2023-08-30T16:25:09Z
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(If anyone from Fairphone is reading this, please reach out! I'd love to chat with you.)
(DIR) Post #AZGReGfX1F9Q5GdWoy by MishaalRahman@androiddev.social
2023-08-30T18:11:27Z
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The Fairphone 5 indeed ships with an Android 11 vendor, suggesting the roadmap I posted for the QCM6490 is accurate and it's a GRF'd platform.
(DIR) Post #AZGT80poYR5PcJC3Xc by judeswae@toot.thoughtworks.com
2023-08-30T18:28:00Z
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@MishaalRahman You'll probably get a better chance at them reading you by tagging them: @Fairphone
(DIR) Post #AZH8WThQz2ISD63gVk by kiranrao@androiddev.social
2023-08-31T02:11:52Z
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@MishaalRahman I have the FP3+. It went straight from Android 11 to Android 13, skipping Android 12.I wonder whether 5 OS updates for FP5 could be spread over 8 years.
(DIR) Post #AZHRJndfR8y9PnxrSC by agnes007@mastodon.social
2023-08-31T05:42:28Z
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@MishaalRahman happy to speak 😊
(DIR) Post #AZHShnzJtETDP16RTE by ragectl@hachyderm.io
2023-08-31T05:58:00Z
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@MishaalRahman does the Fairphone design allow user upgrade of the SoC? Like a Framework laptop sort of user upgrade design?
(DIR) Post #AZHapw66QFfEVGfCSm by taketwo@social.tchncs.de
2023-08-31T07:29:08Z
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@MishaalRahmantoo bad that other manufacturers still don't work Upstream first and allow for a solid generic image updated by Google automatically
(DIR) Post #AZHk688qJEkk4vk4Fk by santiago@masto.lema.org
2023-08-31T09:12:54Z
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@MishaalRahman @alcinnz Looking great ! I wonder how one can plan to support Android 18 ? Like we don’t even know for sure if it will run on *phones* or what may have changed by then.
(DIR) Post #AZHkyV813s550YHVTc by louiscad@androiddev.social
2023-08-31T09:22:42Z
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@MishaalRahman Here's Agnès' Twitter (active): https://twitter.com/agnes_crepet
(DIR) Post #AZHv8JAzLw64NPzFKa by TrinidadSkorpio@mastodon.uno
2023-08-31T11:16:33Z
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@MishaalRahman Sono contentissimo è molto meglio rispetto ai modelli precedenti!
(DIR) Post #AZIkLaSxTaOhQXTtpY by alex_mastodon@troet.cafe
2023-08-31T20:50:23Z
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@MishaalRahman@ct_Magazin has an extensive test in German on #Fairphone5, in brief:Processor substantial faster than Samsung Galaxy A54, slightly slower than Google Pixel 7. Fast enough even for demanding games.Battery replaceable without tools (40€=44$), but only good for 11.5 hours continuous YouTube.Cameras (50 megapixel) much better than its predecessor especially in the dark. But does not pass comparison with high-end phones.AFAIK similar Samsung Note 8.https://www.heise.de/tests/Fairphone-5-9288854.html?seite=all
(DIR) Post #AZMFF65xA7HLY4zBvk by gusandrianos@androiddev.social
2023-09-02T13:20:42Z
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@MishaalRahman Why would you want to use a mid range chip from today in 5 or even 8 years time? The camera is likely lackluster too, I don't get it. The rest seems really nice but camera and long term performance is king for a lot of people, including me.
(DIR) Post #Aa7ygIhNIiD9PwwpeK by cameronbosch@fosstodon.org
2023-09-25T14:01:18Z
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@MishaalRahman Now if they'd ship it to the U.S. and Canada, I'd buy it...