Post AYrT4ADWs4s0bdS7KS by ben@mastodon.bentasker.co.uk
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(DIR) Post #AYpiE42VnwnJL2YgAy by torproject@mastodon.social
2023-08-17T20:25:03Z
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We're happy to be included in the Web3 Open Source Software round of this iteration of @gitcoin grants! 🙏 Help us unlock up to $300,000 in matching funds by making a donation to Tor and other web3 open source projects before August 29.💸 Donate here: https://explorer.gitcoin.co/#/round/10/0x8de918f0163b2021839a8d84954dd7e8e151326d/0x8de918f0163b2021839a8d84954dd7e8e151326d-162
(DIR) Post #AYq1scoxo02TvKH9fM by peter@social.linss.com
2023-08-18T00:20:15Z
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@torproject I know you always need more funding and support, but this is not the way.Associating with ponzi-grifters just delegitimizes your project. And makes me want to stop running my TOR nodes.Rethink this. You’re better than that.
(DIR) Post #AYqE03zoMo5JgMfAFU by amolith@nixnet.social
2023-08-17T20:26:47.420142Z
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@torproject > encouraging people to use cryptocurrenciesI expected better from The Tor Project :flan_disappointed:
(DIR) Post #AYqZBc505CSTc7RG2i by selea@social.linux.pizza
2023-08-18T06:33:20Z
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@torproject No thanks.
(DIR) Post #AYqnFiiClTGYhTd2wq by izaya@social.shadowkat.net
2023-08-18T09:07:21.902633Z
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@chjara @torproject scamming grifters is a net good, I'd argue
(DIR) Post #AYqvyPcdO0ae9tqRvM by krolli53@digitalcourage.social
2023-08-18T08:16:03Z
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@torproject account got hacked? April fool?! Cc: @tante
(DIR) Post #AYqvyQaBoaEF8bi0ki by tante@tldr.nettime.org
2023-08-18T10:48:34Z
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@krolli53 @torproject Thanks for the pointer. What a weird way to trow a bomb at one's reputation.
(DIR) Post #AYqxc9Pz9SZjRMRPyi by voxel@infosec.exchange
2023-08-18T08:21:30Z
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@torproject Checked the privacy pratices first, before dealing with partners... otherwise you will become like Firefox and Brave, both going in a wrong direction, related to partnerships.https://www.gitcoin.co/privacy#privacy
(DIR) Post #AYqyJG1yRQcOOwlU9o by gabriel@mk.gabe.rocks
2023-08-18T11:14:58.330Z
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If you love @torproject@mastodon.social but hate this I think the ideal move would be to chose donating specifically after this window is over.If enough people did it, I think it would send a clear message.
(DIR) Post #AYr3BNsPt1CSBmMLui by prettygood@socially.drinkingatmy.computer
2023-08-18T12:09:30.673628Z
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@torproject say no to crypto grifting
(DIR) Post #AYrDPG8CTnCJlLzsiu by accretionist@techhub.social
2023-08-18T12:31:45Z
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@amolith @torproject Must be nice to be so financially set and with such free time you're ready to mock projects in need. I suppose it's better for you that tor dies.
(DIR) Post #AYrDPHJa4xtZQwKU6K by amolith@nixnet.social
2023-08-18T13:34:50.833621Z
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@accretionist @torproject it's better for everyone that Tor lives and these shitcoins and blockchains die
(DIR) Post #AYrDPJTw1RMk9dBmW8 by amolith@nixnet.social
2023-08-18T13:39:03.309353Z
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@accretionist @torproject I donated to Tor just last week at DEF CON and I've run guard nodes out of my own living room as well as multiple exits. I believe Tor is absolutely essential.That does not excuse promoting the use of cryptocurrencies and blockchains.
(DIR) Post #AYrS6Fb9jfNhv6w1su by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-08-18T16:48:46.029243Z
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They are fundraising using a currency that works for them. If you don't like it, give them more money from *your* chosen currency instead.
(DIR) Post #AYrSG90X5uukNKWS2q by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-08-18T16:50:32.090858Z
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Sure it does. Cryptocurrency is exactly what tor needs : a decentralized, crypto-based solution to financial coordination problems.
(DIR) Post #AYrSGqXJFvgNNRBjbU by accretionist@techhub.social
2023-08-18T13:44:39Z
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@amolith @torproject I admire you.This is my one argument with you:Who cares.Tor needing funding is far more important than quibbling about how tor gets funding.To me your concern is like complaining about the optics of the homeless collecting cans for redemption. Utterly ignoring why the homeless are collecting cans in the first place.None of us are so precious as to look down our nose at funding sources. You give so I admire you for that. But I am giving you the honest criticism that tut tutting the source seems like quibbling.
(DIR) Post #AYrSHddMiCdpePOlLU by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-08-18T16:18:37Z
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@accretionist @amolith @torproject I think #Tor should choose #Monero :monero and @tails should drop that #Bitcoin :bitcoin: wallet app for #FeatherWallet instead.https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110911512100104344
(DIR) Post #AYrSMpsOcdzX4GuJTk by gmate8@mastodon.online
2023-08-18T10:32:29Z
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@amolith @torproject "scam" cryptos because Monero still has a legitimate use tbh
(DIR) Post #AYrSN8eumzUtJxkJbU by kkarhan@mstdn.social
2023-08-18T16:17:33Z
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@gmate8 @amolith @torproject +9001%#Monero :monero: works.Everything else.is a #Shitcoin! https://mstdn.social/@kkarhan/110911512100104344
(DIR) Post #AYrSQpFIuO4wGqWaye by Bachus@mastodon.social
2023-08-17T22:30:32Z
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@torproject Good job delegitimizing your entire project with one post.
(DIR) Post #AYrSQvK8JLVT7YpXKy by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-08-18T16:52:27.999900Z
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This post doesn't delegitimize the tor project.This post is how it can get closer to being sustainably funded.
(DIR) Post #AYrSRrsAcxCChvCXRY by EdG@mastodon.social
2023-08-17T23:50:03Z
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@torproject I now have much less trust in TOR than I did only a minute ago. 🚩🚩🚩
(DIR) Post #AYrSTVWOhQNzxvnafQ by vdaron@mastodon.social
2023-08-18T06:24:20Z
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@torproject please, stop this
(DIR) Post #AYrSTWKNhaMuSxBVZo by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-08-18T16:52:57.452907Z
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No, don't.
(DIR) Post #AYrSUSGqGu04AlyV72 by tomkoid@fosstodon.org
2023-08-18T08:32:57Z
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@torproject big 🚩
(DIR) Post #AYrSVqvw3ryEx7rX6W by Moon@shitposter.club
2023-08-18T16:53:21.871801Z
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@kkarhan @accretionist @amolith @torproject @tails Platforms like gitcoin are only possible on smart contract cryptocurrencies.
(DIR) Post #AYrSoTab4wBO3PlIhM by katzenberger@social.tchncs.de
2023-08-18T09:57:53Z
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@torproject #Tor falling for #Web3 and #crypto ?This is disappointing, folks. I expected better.
(DIR) Post #AYrSoUlyg6sdj05u4m by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-08-18T16:56:45.441298Z
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This isn't disappointing. Using cryptocurrency to fund crypto development is great.
(DIR) Post #AYrSpwubXjG1Hop41A by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-08-18T16:57:01.954747Z
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This isn't grifting.
(DIR) Post #AYrSrVGDJzaI6dfg1o by cafou@raru.re
2023-08-18T12:23:03Z
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@torprojectNo cryptocurrencies please. You worth better.
(DIR) Post #AYrSrVsr0KUc2TkXFw by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-08-18T16:57:18.249399Z
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This is a dumb take. Cryptocurrencies are a useful thing for a project like tor.
(DIR) Post #AYrSuvScMnTOEV6ZnM by eaon@tldr.nettime.org
2023-08-18T12:02:30Z
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@torproject I'm really disappointed. You are something akin to critical infrastructure in civic/privacy tech. That comes with responsibility to not engage with garbage like this, even if it's at the expense of funding that is available to you.
(DIR) Post #AYrSuwO2vHPV6byRJA by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-08-18T16:57:55.056261Z
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No it doesn't. It comes with a responsibility to *engage* in sustainable funding models that are based on the available tools of our day (ie crypto) even ones that you don't personally approve of.
(DIR) Post #AYrSuxLbLr365Jq08W by eaon@tldr.nettime.org
2023-08-18T12:09:23Z
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@torproject while on the SecureDrop team, I (along with others) advocated for FPF to come through with financial support when you needed funds to strengthen onion services. It happened even if it wasn't at the scale I wanted.Please don't make me regret that by going down further into this 💩
(DIR) Post #AYrT4ADWs4s0bdS7KS by ben@mastodon.bentasker.co.uk
2023-08-18T16:18:40Z
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@accretionist @amolith @torproject > None of us are so precious as to look down our nose at funding sources.Some, though, stand by their principles and say that there are in fact sources that they won't accept funding from.Reputation is important, particularly when seeking funding. What impact will there be on future funding when the name "Tor" ends up being associated with "rug-pull-scamcoin" or similar?
(DIR) Post #AYrT4B5PdjyJIkf9Jg by thecyberd3m0n@101010.pl
2023-08-18T16:59:34Z
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@ben @accretionist @amolith @torproject Gitcoin exist couple of years. I've been participating with one of hackatons there and won. Not a scam, just crypto-crowdfunding platform that works (perhaps better than bountysource).would it be better for you to use your credit card for stuff like this?
(DIR) Post #AYrTFhYVGDUJBjlSmu by thecyberd3m0n@101010.pl
2023-08-18T17:01:41Z
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@ben @accretionist @amolith @torproject btw they moved bounties to project called "bounty-box" if someone interested.
(DIR) Post #AYrUKa6CVjvJSrPuvA by ben@mastodon.bentasker.co.uk
2023-08-18T17:13:45Z
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@thecyberd3m0n @accretionist @amolith @torproject You mean the credit card, issued by a provider who'll reverse/refund problematic transactions (admittedly, subject to some caveats) and who's agreement and behaviour with me is governed by strong regulations (like Section 75)?Yes. It'd be better to use my credit card for *most* stuff.For many, the immutability of crypto transactions is a bug, not a feature.
(DIR) Post #AYrV8BViCkRPgS0D6O by ben@mastodon.bentasker.co.uk
2023-08-18T17:15:56Z
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@thecyberd3m0n @accretionist @amolith @torproject You're almost certainly correct that gitcoin aren't a scam (time will tell).But, they exist within an industry that is characterised by scams (or, at least, failures that tend to lead to "users" losing a lot). At a certain point, it just doesn't seem worth figuring out which outfit is genuine and which isn't.
(DIR) Post #AYrV8C9lnoU3ggkCXY by thecyberd3m0n@101010.pl
2023-08-18T17:22:43Z
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@ben @accretionist @amolith @torproject well, don't invest, or invest it only on trusted projects, or just use it by occassion (don't hold at all). That will minimize your risk almost to 0.It's not hurt to teach yourself how to use Binance/Metamask/Trust Wallet quickly and safely.I also rarely "holding" crypto and perceive myself more like "crypto-user" than "crypto-investor"
(DIR) Post #AYrVmcLnph88VheCDQ by thecyberd3m0n@101010.pl
2023-08-18T17:30:02Z
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@ben @accretionist @amolith @torproject remember that than government institutions (or government itself) fails, people losing their lives, not just money. Remember that not all governments should be trusted, and I feel glad for you that you're living in one that deserves that trust.Trust in government or banking institutions is still unresolved issue in many countries.
(DIR) Post #AYrW1glHiOToXCkjbc by ben@mastodon.bentasker.co.uk
2023-08-18T17:32:44Z
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@thecyberd3m0n @accretionist @amolith @torproject I completely agree. Unfortunately, trust in Silicon Valley Crypto startups is also *very much* an unresolved issue.The question, really, is whether it'll ever be resolved - will that behaviour/association destroy it, or will something emerge from the ashes.Either way, there's a ton of opportunity for me to invest/donate without needing to touch crypto at all, so why take the risk?
(DIR) Post #AYrWQla2w6RaieSDTc by thecyberd3m0n@101010.pl
2023-08-18T17:37:17Z
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@ben @accretionist @amolith @torproject as far as I know Silicon Valley still has strong economy, stronger than many countries (just like main cryptos, like BTC, ETH or even BNB).Nothing is safe 100%, blockchain are just a tools like banks. And they will be used for good, and bad purposes just like banks.
(DIR) Post #AYrWVfzl85dwqQp2lE by ben@mastodon.bentasker.co.uk
2023-08-18T17:38:09Z
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@thecyberd3m0n @amolith @torproject At the risk of fragmenting the thread a little: I can achieve a lower risk level by investing/donating to things without using crypto at all.Knowing how to use it isn't an issue, I've been there, done that and built shit around it. I don't see any upside to using it
(DIR) Post #AYrWfIqW3Hybwe5ajo by thecyberd3m0n@101010.pl
2023-08-18T17:39:55Z
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@ben @amolith @torproject PayPal or banks are problematic in use.crypto is easier. I just download an app and connecting it without registration 😀 no mlns of forms, compliance and shitware running in your pc/smartphone.
(DIR) Post #AYrWninNSNd4k4dSJk by ben@mastodon.bentasker.co.uk
2023-08-18T17:41:25Z
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@thecyberd3m0n @amolith @torproject SV's economy isn't really a great indicator of crypto startup trust-worthiness though. Most of SV isn't crypto companies.> Nothing is safe 100%, blockchain are just a tools like banks. And they will be used for good, and bad purposes just like banks.On that we can agree. Where we disagree is whether it's an argument for or against using crypto
(DIR) Post #AYrX2HHM2pYpkFb8Gu by ben@mastodon.bentasker.co.uk
2023-08-18T17:44:03Z
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@thecyberd3m0n @amolith @torproject Easy isn't always good.I've *literally* just been helping someone who did exactly that: downloaded an app, got it connected, fed money into it (via an exchange).Then found out that it was a scam, with absolutely no recourse in terms of getting that money back.Luckily, they weren't too far into it.Sometimes, those forms and compliance forms exist for good reason.
(DIR) Post #AYrX7jJVEw748nCcXw by thecyberd3m0n@101010.pl
2023-08-18T17:45:04Z
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@ben @amolith @torproject imagine Tadjikistan banking, or in India, or Belarus or other shithole like that. Wouldn't you prefer crypto there, instead of accounts that can be sized for saying a bad word about dictaror?
(DIR) Post #AYrXIQZjFU2FD6tRNw by thecyberd3m0n@101010.pl
2023-08-18T17:46:59Z
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@ben @amolith @torproject you could just tell him which one is trusted. There are 2 big a well known. Also Brave Browser has wallet inbuilt, it's legit and also can be trusted
(DIR) Post #AYrXQzQBZkudbHVojQ by ben@mastodon.bentasker.co.uk
2023-08-18T17:48:30Z
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@thecyberd3m0n @amolith @torproject In that scenario, having money in crypto doesn't really help, because they've still got the option to seize *you*. Crypto all you want, rubber-hose cryptography will still win the fight.Plus, for your crypto to be of any use you need to be able to spend it locally. Which currently likely means an exchange.The socio-economic factors that allow bad banks are also perfectly capable of tainting any localised point of access.
(DIR) Post #AYrXV8HYZbiOEwS3Si by thecyberd3m0n@101010.pl
2023-08-18T17:49:17Z
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@ben @amolith @torproject and Solidity is powerful, you'll not have even a 1% of that hackability in banking accounts.It's also kind of... funny in technology terms ;)
(DIR) Post #AYrXe7upJ15Ri26mVE by thecyberd3m0n@101010.pl
2023-08-18T17:50:55Z
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@ben @amolith @torproject not because... Credit Cards. You can spend your crypto "directly" using crypto-card providers ;)
(DIR) Post #AYrXg52SyM5tMlc5i4 by ben@mastodon.bentasker.co.uk
2023-08-18T17:51:10Z
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@thecyberd3m0n @amolith @torproject The same brave that fucked it's user's privacy by injecting affiliate links (including when they went to places like binance)? And who's entire original business model was built around replacing ads on sites?Pass :)I'm going to stop replying on this bit of the thread - bouncing between is doing my nut in, and food's here soon
(DIR) Post #AYrXuitfZsZj2QTt3o by ben@mastodon.bentasker.co.uk
2023-08-18T17:53:53Z
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@thecyberd3m0n @amolith @torproject Oh now, if we're talking interesting + nerd-sniping qualities, that's different.There's plenty to find interest in at a technical level.But, I'm in the camp that a human needs to be able to override things (not just for crypto): https://www.bentasker.co.uk/posts/blog/opinion/the-importance-of-human-oversight.html
(DIR) Post #AYrXw5q3lZC2TqRhjc by thecyberd3m0n@101010.pl
2023-08-18T17:54:10Z
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@ben @amolith @torproject you're complaining too much on small issues, without considering the pros. Don't we have still wars? Oppressive systems on government and corporations? Militaristic or religious dictatorships?I wonder how crypto is a problem comparing to that.
(DIR) Post #AYrYKscO3aVyiWrzJQ by ben@mastodon.bentasker.co.uk
2023-08-18T17:58:38Z
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@thecyberd3m0n @amolith @torproject So your friendly local dictator will simply seize you and/or your card.Foods here - I'm done, but fun talking with you
(DIR) Post #AYrYSIOobMyyhe3e1Q by thecyberd3m0n@101010.pl
2023-08-18T17:59:59Z
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@ben @amolith @torproject this is funny, but you know - well driven known crypto company will not run their SC's untested. Still they can patch it in v2 and it'll be better.You know, I'm not opening random websites, connecting my wallet and run whatever code I find with fresh Ethereum to spend. It's just stupid, and when you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.
(DIR) Post #AYvZeXeObImA47aXk8 by Tadano@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2023-08-20T16:32:09.680747Z
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@amolith you talk like a fag and your shit's all retarded :marisa:
(DIR) Post #AYveuu5zPxXM587Hw8 by bonifartius@qoto.org
2023-08-20T17:31:14Z
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@gmate8 @amolith @torproject i hold a bit of monero after living through the last years. "just in case", not for investment. it's totally clear that we need a tool like crypto currencies, the current ones aren't ideal but the best tool for now to have payment without delivering the data directly to those in power.
(DIR) Post #AYwP0ABpbRdjKvILcu by jplebreton@mastodon.social
2023-08-21T00:36:11Z
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@torproject web3/crypto is an extremely untrusted space for very thoroughly proven reasons, and you are dealing massive damage to public trust in your project by associating with it.
(DIR) Post #AYwP0BJJR7DaoPnpvU by hyc@mastodon.social
2023-08-21T01:42:39Z
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@jplebreton @torproject while your overall point is true in 99.999% of cases, I feel compelled to point out that Tor's DDOS protection mechanism only exists because of work done by the Monero Project. https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/core/torspec/-/blob/main/proposals/327-pow-over-intro.txtWe invented the PoW algorithm and a Monero developer customized it for use by Tor. Without our work there would not have been any viable solution.More background: https://web.archive.org/web/20220212131605/https://www.monerooutreach.org/stories/RandomX.html
(DIR) Post #AYwP0CAUFPkjTKgIoC by eliasr@social.librem.one
2023-08-21T02:07:35Z
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@hyc > We inventedJust to clarify, by "we" here you mean Monero developers?@jplebreton @torproject
(DIR) Post #AYwP5X4Zx4hXkrSl3Q by hyc@mastodon.social
2023-08-21T02:08:25Z
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@eliasr @jplebreton @torproject yes, exactly. Tevador, SChernyk, and myself, to be specific.
(DIR) Post #AYwQ2rleeWYr1Xu5pY by eliasr@social.librem.one
2023-08-21T02:19:18Z
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@hyc Thanks, I see. Good job!By the way I am glad to find you here, it has bothered me a lot that Monero folks seem so attached to Twitter (or whatever its name is now). That is a centralized platform and being dependent on that seems to go against everything that Monero is about, I mean censorship resistance and so on. Relying so much on Twitter means being vulnerable to censorship. Same with Github.Are there others from the Monero crowd here (in the fediverse)?@jplebreton @torproject
(DIR) Post #AYwQraf016wQjdygam by hyc@mastodon.social
2023-08-21T02:28:21Z
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@eliasr @jplebreton @torproject there are a few, you can find most of them with the #monero hashtag. We're also migrating from reddit to lemmy (see monero.town). But I have to say, there's so much open hostility to all things crypto here that I don't expect a lot of Monero folks to come this way.
(DIR) Post #AYwTx2w6cBZTk3GxE0 by eliasr@social.librem.one
2023-08-21T03:03:04Z
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@hyc Great that you are leaving reddit.> so much open hostility to all things crypto hereTrue, I have seen it a lot here, it's like a "cancel-culture" type of phenomenon. But that is stupid and needs to change, and I think the proper way to make that change is to interact with people here and explain things.@jplebreton @torproject
(DIR) Post #AYwUCJJC1c8SrbLkY4 by jplebreton@mastodon.social
2023-08-21T03:05:41Z
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@eliasr consider yourself cancelled then, bye
(DIR) Post #AYyZjYo6JLJKZgOuCu by g0nz4@mastodon.online
2023-08-22T00:48:40Z
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@hyc @eliasr @jplebreton @torproject Hi there, when you will migrate to Lemmy?
(DIR) Post #AYyZjZoUZNDZhBajSK by hyc@mastodon.social
2023-08-22T02:48:35Z
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@g0nz4 @eliasr @jplebreton @torproject what do you mean? Many of us are already there on monero.town.
(DIR) Post #AYyZjaZdk4vq3PeNwe by silverpill@mitra.social
2023-08-22T03:15:48.258230Z
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@hyc @eliasr @g0nz4 ...also on xmrposter.club. Actually, Monero users are everywhere on fedi, they just don't talk about it much
(DIR) Post #Abc0sKNzZ5PejKQFd2 by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2023-11-08T23:39:18.836257Z
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@accretionist @amolith @torproject >Tor needing fundingit needs a full code refactor, not a rust rewrite like arti that just serves as lipstick on the hackish-code-quality pig they began with
(DIR) Post #Abc15ofcHQFOQ568AK by opal@ap.maladaptive.art
2023-11-08T23:41:44.301149Z
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@EdG @Bachus how i can tell you all dont use torit ain't all-caps either, ED G.
(DIR) Post #AbcM9US9UFjrufOR8K by accretionist@techhub.social
2023-11-09T00:08:44Z
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@opal @torproject @amolith i understand but that's a different issue. if you have some sort of grudge with the code i have no problem with you and i don't stand against any reason why you might feel the way you do