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(DIR) Post #AYpwmyO2DELZIfAJhA by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-17T23:23:13Z
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Wow, more misinformation from John on this episode re- Wind Turbines than I have heard in a long time. About 90% of what was said is just plain wrong. The woman speaking was pretty much spot on. But the notion that "the wind cannot make the turbines spin from a standing start" Please, that is just completely wrong and after being involved in the construction of 6 windfarms, I have enough knowledge to just sit here cringing at most of what was said. Very disappointing.
(DIR) Post #AYpxWSqvmr3WouNDFY by sirJoho@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-17T23:31:27Z
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@ChefsCatch john@dvorak.org, I'm sure he'd love a BOTG report. Contribute your expertise to the show!
(DIR) Post #AYpxrsNm3yo852wgAy by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-17T23:35:19Z
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@sirJoho Sent one months ago it was ignored.
(DIR) Post #AYpxw55Mm8AGdXLADg by sirJoho@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-17T23:36:04Z
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@ChefsCatch fair enough
(DIR) Post #AYpzyiWRJzkPR1O8uW by harvhat@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-17T23:58:57Z
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@ChefsCatch > The woman speaking was pretty much spot on. But the woman said, more than once, that the wind turbines need coal fired electricity to work.
(DIR) Post #AYq46KeYLkqFXV4OoK by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T00:45:09Z
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@harvhat Because that is true. They cannot generate the correct power to run the computers and other equipment. They generate DC, the equipment runs on AC. They require it to "function", not to spin.
(DIR) Post #AYq4RanJX2yxgLJ0S0 by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T00:49:00Z
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@harvhat Also a more accurate statement would be "they require grid power to run". In Australia that is 80% likely to be coal.
(DIR) Post #AYqDFh1VRkAL74LQEy by harvhat@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T02:27:41Z
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@ChefsCatch John was just reacting to what the lady said and she clearly said twice that "they have to have coal fired power in order to turn."The interviewer asked her about the turning part and she doubled down! So she's not "spot on" in my book. Also technically a windmill is a turbine yet she tries to draw a distinction.
(DIR) Post #AYqGdfwhP6yyaFDujo by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T03:05:39Z
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@harvhat Ok I must have missed her tying it to rotation. It has nothing to do with rotation. The input from the grid is purely about powering the electronics that manager the turbine. Also I think the only reason they say "wind turbine" and not "windmill" is to try and create the impression this is not 15th century tech.
(DIR) Post #AYqKEFv5QlPYRUbU92 by Bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T03:45:52Z
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@Johncdvorak ⬆️Plus lots of links.@ChefsCatch
(DIR) Post #AYqKgiYmXZIlNQk5vE by GettingCooked@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T03:51:00Z
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@Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak @ChefsCatch My understanding was the turbines require grid power to spool up, and then the wind takes things from there.
(DIR) Post #AYqKriyDM6sTpnt2FU by KillerMule@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T03:53:00Z
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@ChefsCatch Well, drop the truth bombs Man, new shit has come to light! Enlighten!
(DIR) Post #AYqMbNaFIosCmR0e6y by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T04:12:27Z
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@KillerMule Ask away
(DIR) Post #AYqMmWZmD24tr56Woa by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T04:14:28Z
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@GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak Not exactly. The blades connected to the hub can turn as soon as they are properly installed. Generally when we install the hub and blades, they are locked until many other stages are complete. But the turbine does not require power for the blades to spin, or to start them turning. There may be models of turbine I am not familiar with that do it way, but I have never seen or heard of them.
(DIR) Post #AYqMrILUXqWtAUhIe0 by GettingCooked@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T04:15:20Z
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@ChefsCatch @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak Myunderstanding was in what I heard uttered this morning.
(DIR) Post #AYqMus8NwLxD28Gy2K by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T04:15:59Z
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@GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak The hub and blades are so wind efficient as I stated earlier that they can capture and turn on a breeze you cannot even feel. They will however run optimally when the power is applied and the computers that control the pitch of the blades starts to tweak them for the prevailing conditions.
(DIR) Post #AYqN2K8MEkRbtpoT8S by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T04:17:19Z
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@GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak Yup and I have heard Senators like Malcolm Roberts and Gareth Rennick in Australia saying the same things. Its not true of the turbines I have had experience with and that is the 3 major brands. Vestas, Goldwind and Suzlon/Repower.
(DIR) Post #AYqPUM8yYbhe9Mb3ku by Bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T04:44:48Z
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@GettingCooked @ChefsCatch @Johncdvorak We have to deconstruct the deconstructors?https://noagendasocial.com/@ChefsCatch/110907557191863252
(DIR) Post #AYqPsCwiPDgwZdEeTw by Bunnyslope@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T04:49:07Z
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@ChefsCatch @GettingCooked @Johncdvorak It is truly amazing how many producers have such varied experience and expert knowledge across so many disciplines and businesses. It’s like having an infinite living repository of knowledge. TYFYC @ChefsCatch !
(DIR) Post #AYqQkjqwH70CGnXHNY by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T04:58:58Z
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@Bunnyslope @GettingCooked @Johncdvorak I get triggered by the details. This topic particularly I have had people screaming at me with these same myths, the whole time I was in the industry. We had a model with an electronic "kiosk" at the base of the tower. Locals managed to convince themselves they were diesel generators that kept the turbine spinning when there was no wind. Le sigh...
(DIR) Post #AYqQmettet4lUQpp0i by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T04:59:19Z
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@Bunnyslope @GettingCooked @Johncdvorak Connection is protection right!
(DIR) Post #AYqQqRO7q6IKjwmGcC by GettingCooked@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:00:00Z
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@ChefsCatch @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak What about the financial numbers mentioned? SOunds like the citizens are getting hosed, no? Relative to the input the turbines add to the grid...
(DIR) Post #AYqR8THjWdTfpsNwrw by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:03:15Z
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@Bunnyslope @GettingCooked @Johncdvorak The diesel generator thing is also from a kernel of truth though. When we finish a top build and need to adjust parts that require power to manipulate, such as the pitch of the facing of the hub, before the turbine is connected to the farm grid, we use big generators to power up those parts and adjust them as required. So one of the first things we do is face the hub in a direction that make is easier for us to align the crane for fitting the blades.
(DIR) Post #AYqR94Wv38brLgm6Ay by ringo@freeatlantis.com
2023-08-18T05:03:22Z
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@ChefsCatch @GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak and what about constant servo based pitch adjustment?i was told through a friend who spoke with a gent that installed wind turbines that they're not even hooked up to the grid...
(DIR) Post #AYqROn9DRbye4WBR5s by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:06:12Z
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@ringo @GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak Yes that is pretty accurate. There are computer controlled servo motors that handle the pitch of the blades to have them optimally catch the wind second by second. At first we use a generator to power these systems and test them. Once the turbine is commissioned (certified as ready to go) it is locked up and we move on to build the next one. Eventually when the high voltage cables are all done, it gets hooked to grid. Usually the very last phase.
(DIR) Post #AYqRXaOIF8rp76QflA by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:07:48Z
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@ringo @GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak I say "usually" because depending on the build order of each turbine and how the electricians are progressing getting the grid in place, we may energize one part of the farm, while other parts are still under construction. Or a turbine may be individually hooked up for testing purposes to ensure we are getting the ones down the line correct.
(DIR) Post #AYqRhp2cczq1RmApdo by GettingCooked@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:09:39Z
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@ChefsCatch @ringo @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak I appreciated that BOTG knowledge. As far as I'm concerned, the worst thing about turbines, aside from their intermittent working, is that they are an aesthetic blight on the landscape.
(DIR) Post #AYqRkAgh7P35A32NjU by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:10:04Z
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@GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak This was the "boots on the ground" I sent a few months ago, right on JC's birthday. I am happy to repeat the numbers, but it would take too many posts so I put it in a PDF, I would just have to find it on my laptop lol. In short "hosed" is not the word. The MW return on investment is beyond pathetic. Musselroe Windfarm for example 300ish Million for effectively about 20MW of power. The math is not complicated but I am long winded in explaining it.
(DIR) Post #AYqRyarEcEgANcqQHQ by GettingCooked@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:12:40Z
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@ChefsCatch @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak Okay. What about the intermittent availability of wind? If it were to be 'viable', or palatable, wouldn't it be best blended with some sort of grid-tied massive battery storage tthat can be turne don when needed? Just spit-balling here. Plus, I'm a dude named Ludd who mostly posts pics of his dinner, and such...
(DIR) Post #AYqSGHkQP83AKB5yT2 by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:15:52Z
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@GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak So the last couple of windfarms I worked on used 3MW turbines with a height of around 110m. They can generate in very light winds, but have an optimal wind speed of about 7-8m/s (from memory) but will generate from about 3m/s to about 25m/s when the computers will start to shut down to save the machinery. I always argued that they should be combining windfarms with staged height dams. Pump the water up, then hydro power it out. Inefficient, but also not.
(DIR) Post #AYqSfNkvCgzmCJILGi by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:20:23Z
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@GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak In Australia the grid is about 10GWH hours oversupplied. So using excess wind and solar, of which there is a LOT! to pump water up to elevations, then letting it gravity down pipes through a hydro turbine would be like making giant batteries. The engineering inefficiency of pumping up then running out is an argument, but the alternative is wind and solar being built, then not being used at all. Which is the current status quo.
(DIR) Post #AYqTej7QOJfi7O4Vpg by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:31:30Z
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@GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak My breakdownhttps://easyupload.io/osbvn8
(DIR) Post #AYqTfRK22nttDEJCam by Sophistifunk@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:31:37Z
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@ChefsCatch @GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak of course, they’re only really being built for green brownie points with the uneducated public, so they’ve served their purpose.
(DIR) Post #AYqTnyRQn78qFMq54K by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:33:10Z
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@Sophistifunk @GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak Exactly, the subsidies are so enormous that the construction shareholders basically get a free windfarm, that they then get to sell to whoever they like. All funded by the tax payer. The average Windfarm job is subsidiesed to the tune of about 90k per employee also.
(DIR) Post #AYqTr7ZfIAarRNBuTY by GettingCooked@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:33:44Z
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@Sophistifunk @ChefsCatch @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak Porpoise? What the hell do dolphins have to do with this?
(DIR) Post #AYqTwCXmF7FcIjjLlY by ChefsCatch@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-18T05:34:39Z
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@Sophistifunk @GettingCooked @Bunnyslope @Johncdvorak The wholesale power price is the price all the ABC types use to argue that power prices are falling with more renewables. But the wholesale price is of little interest to the consumer. The retail price continues to go up and all that is caused by is greed.
(DIR) Post #AYsXpYwvKTMnteVCvQ by Johncdvorak@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-19T04:43:08Z
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@GettingCooked @Bunnyslope that what we said in essence.
(DIR) Post #AYsXpZlcHzusQsDgwK by GettingCooked@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-19T05:27:41Z
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@Johncdvorak It appears I do indeed have a keen grasp of the obvious. Excellent. @Bunnyslope