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(DIR) Post #AYfrgi2IwW1QMPTn5U by brewsterkahle@mastodon.archive.org
2023-08-13T02:37:58Z
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Now the Washington lawyers want to destroy digital collections of scratchy 78rpm records, 70-120 year old, built by dedicated preservationists online since 2006. Who benefits?https://www.reuters.com/legal/music-labels-sue-internet-archive-over-digitized-record-collection-2023-08-12/
(DIR) Post #AYfsitjSWnnHAVGwHA by zeruch@mastodon.social
2023-08-13T02:49:43Z
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@brewsterkahle The RIAA (and MPAA) were clients of mine when I worked in "anti-piracy" (a categorically broken and/or stupid industry if ever there was one) and the petty, reactionary, scrooge on meth personalities there were utter gobshite on a good day...good days were rare.They are utter turd-tsunamis.
(DIR) Post #AYft10XZxAYdUrLoAa by wpgne@mastodon.social
2023-08-13T02:49:44Z
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@brewsterkahle boggles the mind how limited some are
(DIR) Post #AYftJt5jsB4ltcKbqq by matsu_monitor@mastodon.social
2023-08-13T02:56:06Z
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@brewsterkahle Let folks know how we can help. Donations?
(DIR) Post #AYftvm7kE7PnI4KsbI by llywrch@masto.ai
2023-08-13T03:03:23Z
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@brewsterkahle I guess the Internet Archive is threatening their possible but unrealized profits. That the music industry might leave money on a table that doesn’t yet exist.
(DIR) Post #AYfuDQZv4TzJgFvpOy by spamvictim@infosec.exchange
2023-08-13T03:06:05Z
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@brewsterkahle Some of the songs in the complaint are considerably less than 70 years old. This isn't going to go any better than CDL did.
(DIR) Post #AYfv0AwPzxbXN9hT1s by Dhmspector@mastodon.social
2023-08-13T03:13:54Z
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@brewsterkahle aren’t they out of copyright and in the public domain???
(DIR) Post #AYfx2wnJFiaoH1tB4a by simonsez40@mastodon.social
2023-08-13T03:38:12Z
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@brewsterkahle Doesn’t stuff this old enter the public domain at some point??
(DIR) Post #AYfxXp7LqPtDRRzD2e by jonhendry@iosdev.space
2023-08-13T03:43:49Z
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@brewsterkahle Can you give a copy of the archive to the Library of Congress or Smithsonian just in case?
(DIR) Post #AYfzSZgK0WEa1oy5eS by that_ac@hachyderm.io
2023-08-13T04:05:10Z
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@brewsterkahle Their lawyers."The lawsuit said the recordings are all available on authorized streaming services and "face no danger of being lost, forgotten, or destroyed.""Anyone watched Willow (tv series) this week oh wait that was a tax write off.Because the archive exists, there will be no market for their "remasters" meant to extend the copyrights another 150 years because you call it a remaster & restart the clock.Just happy the artists will be paid... oh wait...
(DIR) Post #AYg14retiXiok27khs by ColonelPanic@infosec.exchange
2023-08-13T04:23:23Z
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@brewsterkahle since having *almost* everything is never enough
(DIR) Post #AYg5jcd8tey1ozze1w by JohnSullivan@mastodonapp.uk
2023-08-13T05:15:21Z
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@brewsterkahle @deborahh Information wants to be free… to provide profit increasing exponentially annually to the wealthiest owners who can buy everything they desire.
(DIR) Post #AYgDCzKiGbUiJHK5OC by c6h12o6@pfalz.social
2023-08-13T06:38:54Z
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@brewsterkahle Records are subversive anyway as they don’t provide recurring revenue streams. A concept like „buy once and listen as often as you like“ is a dangerous idea and people shouldn’t be reminded something like that ever existed. 😈
(DIR) Post #AYgEyB0am8105LybwG by stadsplanering@mastodon.nu
2023-08-13T06:58:54Z
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@brewsterkahle Aren’t those past copyright protection thus making them “free”?
(DIR) Post #AYgHmtqCYzTzWBQmEy by brewsterkahle@mastodon.archive.org
2023-08-13T07:30:36Z
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@matsu_monitor Please donate: https://archive.org/donate
(DIR) Post #AYgIFBfXs99ev3w29A by JSharp1436@mstdn.social
2023-08-13T07:35:49Z
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@brewsterkahleNo one. We all lose when history is destroyed.
(DIR) Post #AYgIYbsce30jiHJTge by bassplayer@mas.to
2023-08-13T07:36:05Z
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@brewsterkahle UME is evil https://youtu.be/pSIHNCNcTiA
(DIR) Post #AYgIpCT0NqvvooF37Q by DYSX@mastodon.world
2023-08-13T07:36:59Z
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@brewsterkahle the minute they filed suit and unleashed headlines across the internet, millions of people who weren't aware of the collection are now checking it out (and hopefully downloading it)
(DIR) Post #AYgJN87T3NriBILYem by VulcanTourist@mastodon.social
2023-08-13T07:48:32Z
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@brewsterkahle No one should forget that our previous Vice President and current President Biden has had in the past, and probably still does, a hand firmly stuffed in the pants of Big Copyright. One of his first acts as VP was to crow to a meeting of Big Copyright execs how much he was gonna be able to help them with copyright exploitation.
(DIR) Post #AYgMP6GdD7nYsWGQvA by trib@aus.social
2023-08-13T08:22:18Z
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@brewsterkahle what kind of arseholes sue The Internet Archive? Oh, wait, it's music industry lawyers working for the labels. Of course.
(DIR) Post #AYgTlgJEaTzyi7CE76 by JoeOriginal@mastodon.world
2023-08-13T09:44:38Z
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@brewsterkahle There is a handful of niche music collectors who seek out mostly obscure 78s for aesthetic as well as historical reasons—and many of these recordings don’t exist on vinyl, CD, or Spotify. One example: extensive digital collections of Paul Whiteman’s complete works from the ‘20s through the ‘40s. Or a personal favorite, Marion Hutton. Lots of ‘78s, but only one CD in circulation by an obscure label. This is not the modern record label’s market.
(DIR) Post #AYgVkypSRhhnld3taq by UndamnedOne@mastodon.online
2023-08-13T10:06:57Z
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@brewsterkahle Oh for Pete's sake. Because they're really rolling in cash from all those Etta James residuals, they've just gotta put a stop to it. So sick of corporations!
(DIR) Post #AYgav12zYKIhJVzsRs by rrwo@fosstodon.org
2023-08-13T11:04:56Z
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@brewsterkahle Why "the Washington lawyers" instead of "music companies"? The lawsuit was also filed in New York, not Washington.The last time I heard someone use "Washington lawyers" was an antisemitic dog-whistle.
(DIR) Post #AYgc85rb3c6ZyBT0Sm by xs4me2@mastodon.social
2023-08-13T11:18:34Z
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@brewsterkahle Greed and capitalism, not beauty… Perverted.
(DIR) Post #AYgcZmyMt0jVUOq9tg by Jamesboswell@seocommunity.social
2023-08-13T11:23:42Z
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@brewsterkahle all of those songs are on YouTube etc making a fortune for tech giants, but if a not-for-profit has a go it's $400 million worth of damages?
(DIR) Post #AYgdPmJ2brJsTqIg5I by jhavok@mastodon.social
2023-08-13T11:33:07Z
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@brewsterkahle Copyright originated as a way to reward and encourage creativity. It's been weaponized by regulatory capture into a system of corporate monopoly.
(DIR) Post #AYgexcyHvEwhKTIWKe by yma@mastodon.social
2023-08-13T11:50:19Z
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@brewsterkahle Fuck copyright and fuck those IP hoarding idlers.
(DIR) Post #AYgfRcbZqfxUseyeAK by DanHakimi@mastodon.social
2023-08-13T11:55:44Z
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@brewsterkahle Disney benefits. Their Mickey Mouse bullshit gets normalized just a little more.
(DIR) Post #AYgg22MPZHUXBVFQ12 by brewsterkahle@mastodon.archive.org
2023-08-13T12:02:26Z
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A 78rpm record every hour from the Great78Project-- really a threat? https://mastodon.archive.org/@great78
(DIR) Post #AYgi3QuDzhiJVarC1Q by thecyberjudas@infosec.exchange
2023-08-13T12:25:02Z
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@brewsterkahle bullshit... better start saving asap... any news on software/movie lawsuits?
(DIR) Post #AYgiVgooQOOMy9nbpA by wion@writing.exchange
2023-08-13T12:30:00Z
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@brewsterkahle What about something like what #Radiooooo is doing? I haven’t heard of any lawsuits on them yet.Maybe make these album recordings available so they can be downloaded/uploaded by people in multiple places/platforms.IA is likely being targeted, however illogically, because of the centralized aspect of it.
(DIR) Post #AYglrTRX8PcliezQeG by pascaline@mastodon.nl
2023-08-13T13:07:42Z
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@brewsterkahle What a fun project, it's so sad to see it's considered a threat. Keep up the good work!
(DIR) Post #AYgmmjKsibeRW3BF8y by prasta@toot.community
2023-08-13T13:18:08Z
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@brewsterkahle man, FUCK the labels for this horseshit. Exhibit 9,987 why they should shove their business model up there ass. Hopefully the r/DataHoarders of the world have already pulled all these files into their storage.
(DIR) Post #AYgoAifmvyxgMexiMK by Npars01@mstdn.social
2023-08-13T13:33:33Z
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@brewsterkahle When historical or cultural artifacts are taken into the custody of a tiny moneyed elite, they get to control the narrative.Missionaries destroyed or removed Indigenous cultural artifacts to spread the false narrative that they were savages in need of "civilization".Black culture is under attack by the same tiny moneyed elites. Turn of the century jazz is proof of the very sophisticated music of the era. How can #KochNetwork reconstitute slavery without a false narrative?
(DIR) Post #AYgobnq7pfrYCviB4i by thewolfspirit@mastodon.social
2023-08-13T13:38:29Z
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@brewsterkahle Bunch of fucking vultures, the lot of them.
(DIR) Post #AYgrssIonDZWplxrjE by TeacherThomas@mastodon.online
2023-08-13T14:15:12Z
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@brewsterkahle It'd be nice if there was a torrent available of the music in question so amateur archivists could preserve them in the meantime.
(DIR) Post #AYgvITP8Hmhf0OoeRc by wuffish@mastodon.social
2023-08-13T14:34:16Z
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@brewsterkahle We need to go back to the 1831 range of copyright duration (42 years), or something like life of the author + 10.
(DIR) Post #AYgy4L2urgXatINNEu by thejaysunday@mamot.fr
2023-08-13T15:21:43Z
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@brewsterkahle the ones who benefit are the ones who rightfully own the rights to exploit these recordings? The internet archive can store them until they fall in the public domain don't they?
(DIR) Post #AYgyJMD2p0pIqJH6mW by dangrsmind@sfba.social
2023-08-13T15:23:38Z
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@brewsterkahle ah sweet memories of that time I spent the morning in the RIAA offices being threatened by the RIAA's general counsel. Fun times.
(DIR) Post #AYgycqd1wrNwgiiuzw by enbuenora@mstdn.social
2023-08-13T15:28:36Z
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@brewsterkahle these are the same people who don't think they should pay artists and writers more than maybe 15 cents, one time
(DIR) Post #AYh264TVqWXjtOtjm4 by timo21@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-08-13T16:09:29Z
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@brewsterkahle When music is outlawed, only outlaws will have music.
(DIR) Post #AYh3TmELQltcDCfets by shuttersparks@qoto.org
2023-08-13T16:24:57Z
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@brewsterkahle Well, what do you expect from a business composed of (mostly) talentless people who profit off the talents of others? That's what they do. They monetize art created by others. They've always been like this.
(DIR) Post #AYh8kujTZa0XH5DuGu by JeffSharpe@mastodon.archive.org
2023-08-13T17:09:15Z
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@brewsterkahle Bullshit!
(DIR) Post #AYhG6Px5OUCbrPn2oq by AccordionBruce@mastodon.social
2023-08-13T05:02:19Z
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@Dhmspector @brewsterkahleEverything with copyright is overly-complicated, so what do I know?But I think things are likely to be locked up unless they were produced before 70 years agoSo the rolling date of “out of copyright” is now 1923 (moving forward every year)#copyright #music
(DIR) Post #AYhG6QnYFQAaU8Kwb2 by francesca@nerdculture.de
2023-08-13T11:33:50Z
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@AccordionBruce @Dhmspector @brewsterkahle It costs money to make music and the independent system finances roughly 80% of the music that is in the charts, initially. There is no Adele without XL recordings, there would not have been a David Bowie without an EMI 2/2
(DIR) Post #AYhG6Re16M8Z6qsqNE by brewsterkahle@mastodon.archive.org
2023-08-13T18:46:26Z
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@francesca @AccordionBruce @Dhmspector this suit is about 78rpm records. Scratches and all. Good to learn about I have found
(DIR) Post #AYhILqNBdxC63WTwae by JerrDansel@universeodon.com
2023-08-13T19:10:27Z
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@brewsterkahle Seriously, I’m on the Archive’s side, but do you have any evidence that it’s “Washington lawyers,“ whatever that’s supposed to really mean, and maybe not publishers that are behind this?
(DIR) Post #AYhILwjjz0nfnD52Zs by JerrDansel@universeodon.com
2023-08-13T19:10:35Z
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@brewsterkahle 
(DIR) Post #AYhP2cqmOarYIE6gzY by clacke@libranet.de
2023-08-13T03:36:00Z
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To anyone as ignorant as I:"CDL" is "controlled digital lending" and this is how that lawsuit has gone so far (as of October last year):https://blog.archive.org/2022/10/17/the-cdl-lawsuit-and-the-future-of-libraries/The publishers seem to be arguing that all digital lending is a potential threat to their business and libraries have no right to do it. That's as expected. It seems the lawsuit has not reached a summary judgement, reached a settlement, nor gone to court yet?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controlled_digital_lending@spamvictim @brewsterkahle
(DIR) Post #AYi9KIikZTOGxyiXxo by objectObject@hachyderm.io
2023-08-14T05:05:10Z
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@brewsterkahle @mvexel 100 years ago musicians were thinking to themselves "Why should I bother? In 100 years people are just going to be giving this music away for free. I mean not because the copyright is expired, as current laws would indicate, but because the copyright term will be posthumously extended. But no, the rights holders then will protect my rights, and I will be justly compensated today. I guess I should make this recording."
(DIR) Post #AYiLsmuI2rQxsnKHx2 by optimisey@seocommunity.social
2023-08-14T07:25:54Z
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@brewsterkahle #BecauseCapitalism 🙁
(DIR) Post #AYigRwyoaH7cLHUFHc by frasca@ravenation.club
2023-08-14T11:16:06Z
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@brewsterkahle I expect them to come after the Live Music Archive on archive.org next.https://archive.org/details/etree?tab=about
(DIR) Post #AYj3gc0H9cGWZg88vI by yamainu@ohai.social
2023-08-14T15:36:38Z
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@brewsterkahle BRB, going to download a bunch of cultural treasures…
(DIR) Post #AYj4AT6IopuzeOBang by IronCurtain@mstdn.social
2023-08-14T15:42:10Z
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@brewsterkahle @yamainu publishers hate libraries, and this applies to both book publishers and music publishers.
(DIR) Post #AYj4UBVNwq4as3JsYK by IronCurtain@mstdn.social
2023-08-14T15:42:35Z
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@brewsterkahle @yamainu CC: @mmasnick
(DIR) Post #AYjRKbXaajkrfVkeBM by Chancerubbage@mastodon.social
2023-08-14T19:57:41Z
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@brewsterkahle the worst part is, they will never restore or rerelease those recordings themselves. Likely they will be destroyed forever as some quarterly write off.
(DIR) Post #AYjSknha6CjmrwTpuC by dellagustin@fosstodon.org
2023-08-14T20:17:34Z
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@brewsterkahle rich people who want to protect their right to get even richer without needing it
(DIR) Post #AYkMVSuSiV4jTLllaK by amunizp@fosstodon.org
2023-08-15T06:41:52Z
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@brewsterkahleThe lawsuit said the recordings are all available on authorized streaming services and "face no danger of being lost, forgotten, or destroyed."Really? @pluralistic I could have sworn some music, books, films and art was being held back by big publishers just so that they did not need to play royalties #enshittification
(DIR) Post #AYlU4DNk2TtfQX3eWe by markvonwahlde@mastodon.world
2023-08-15T19:41:35Z
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@brewsterkahle Copyright holders.
(DIR) Post #AYlp88IGzrhHqGD3XU by williamgunn@mastodon.social
2023-08-15T23:37:35Z
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@brewsterkahle It just never ends, does it? I wonder who will step up to this Promethean task when you're done with it.
(DIR) Post #AYvvnPBNeTBzOseFrE by lightninhopkins@mastodon.social
2023-08-20T20:39:29Z
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@brewsterkahle "The lawsuit said the recordings are all available on authorized streaming services and "face no danger of being lost, forgotten, or destroyed.""Sure, until they are not available because of some corporate cost cutting measure
(DIR) Post #AYvwOJy40FcjwR1ROS by VulcanTourist@mastodon.social
2023-08-20T20:46:11Z
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@brewsterkahle It's worth noting that Biden is supportive of those who seek to exploit copyright to its fullest extent like this. He's been in Big Copyright's pocket for quite some time. One of his first acts as VP was to proclaim, to a room full of Big Copyright execs, how much he'd be able to do to help them exploit copyright.
(DIR) Post #AYvxUXGjYwM8szHZ7w by nickb333@toot.io
2023-08-20T20:58:35Z
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@brewsterkahle my theory on this FWIW is that they sue them over something inert to cripple the platform and prevent them from archiving other really useful stuff that's on the Wayback Machine. We should all be supporting https://archive.org/donate
(DIR) Post #AYvyHckNz1Ak49YiJs by lou@entropyservice.com
2023-08-20T21:07:36Z
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@brewsterkahle I assume that the 'copyright' on these have expired, if they were ever shackled by copyright burdens.
(DIR) Post #AYw0iAhyXTLMpeDaRk by bradpatrick@esq.social
2023-08-20T21:34:09Z
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@brewsterkahle @dangillmor To hell with them. You are heroes.
(DIR) Post #AYw37QT3HbyGrAPKxk by 42DZS@twit.social
2023-08-20T22:00:53Z
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@brewsterkahleCopyright law is travesty. 70 years is way beyond the reasonable time but greed is an admired trait in this country. #RIAA is truly a evil upon the earth
(DIR) Post #AYw43qA9uGzHLRQONE by liquor_american@universeodon.com
2023-08-20T21:36:11Z
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@brewsterkahle These big record labels have seen their last dime from me. I will actively pirate their shit if I want to hear it. Fuck em.There are enough amazing indie artists and labels on #Bandcamp to keep my dollars flowing in their direction for a dozen lifetimes anyway.