Post AYgSfFlCHcFYg8e97g by BrianSmith950@mas.to
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(DIR) Post #AYdOTPAcULjL66kjp2 by simon@en.osm.town
2023-08-11T14:17:28Z
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The downsides of being frugal. The #OpenStreetMap Foundation spends, even with a slightly more ambitious budget this year than previously, less than %1 of what WMF/Wikipedia does, but is struggling to make ends meet.There is no threat a la the infamous Wikipedia ads that the project will shut down, but without the funds activities will have to be cut back significantly.If you consider OSM valuable consider https://supporting.openstreetmap.org/
(DIR) Post #AYdfldJMLkmlO87Ou8 by adam@hax0rbana.social
2023-08-12T01:15:54Z
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@simon Thanks for the reminder. I don't have dollars to donate, but I have bitcoin I could spare. I've emailed the board to see how I can get more funds into their hands!
(DIR) Post #AYeHCzgkxKcgufyK24 by batalanto@todon.nl
2023-08-12T08:15:21Z
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@adam @simon Indeed the payment options are shit. The problem with #Paypal & credit card via paypal:https://git.disroot.org/cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm/src/branch/master/rap_sheets/paypal.mdThe only alternative is intl. bank xfers. And since it’s not SEPA there’s likely a money grab by the intermediate banks involved. Fuck that.
(DIR) Post #AYfE5FiJNysFapHBzc by adam@hax0rbana.social
2023-08-12T19:15:05Z
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@batalanto @simon Good news, the board got back to me and they do accept bitcoin! Their address is 1J3pt9koWJZTo2jarg98RL89iJqff9KobpAnd that can be confirmed here: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Donations(I mention both the wallet address and URL in case someone tries to update that wiki page to do a little switcharoo)
(DIR) Post #AYgSfDYiT34tqqn9OK by batalanto@todon.nl
2023-08-12T08:16:28Z
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@adam @simon If they really need money, they will:* publish a mailing address where people can send cash or cheques.* publish some cryptocurrency addresses* publish seminars/events they attend where they would have a physical “tip jar”* get bank accounts opened in the US and Europe
(DIR) Post #AYgSfEHNmyo65Ngp0q by simon@en.osm.town
2023-08-12T08:24:32Z
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@batalanto @adam Note that the OSMF has an "EU bank account" https://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Donate/International_Bank_TransfersCheques nearly never make sense (if you think bank fees for xfers are bad, you are in for a surprise wrt cheques outside of the US), and accepting cash has its own issues.
(DIR) Post #AYgSfExvEopoDJanJo by batalanto@todon.nl
2023-08-12T08:55:19Z
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@simon @adam I thought cheques were the norm in the UK.In the US: paper checks are still king for sending money remotely. Wires are absurdly expensive. E-checks move slower than snail-mailed paper checks & they are subject to scrutiny. I tried to send ~$300 by popmoney (echeck) & got interrogated as to how I know the person & what I was buying. Took like 4 days.If they need the money bad enough, they will accept cash. We have a civic duty to fight the #warOnCash.
(DIR) Post #AYgSfFlCHcFYg8e97g by BrianSmith950@mas.to
2023-08-12T10:58:44Z
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@batalanto @simon @adam I'm in the UK and I haven't written out a cheque in about 5 years.Near enough everything is Card or contactless (Phone etc).
(DIR) Post #AYgSfGVHWH74z4CwxE by batalanto@todon.nl
2023-08-12T11:03:36Z
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@BrianSmith950 So say you rack up a credit card bill. Then how to do you pay the bill?And for remote p2p payments, how is that done?@simon @adam
(DIR) Post #AYgSfHKKSTwjXO5iWO by BrianSmith950@mas.to
2023-08-12T11:17:05Z
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@batalanto @simon @adam I pay my bills through my bank's website or phone app.Remote P2P can be done through the bank app or paypal or a number of other apps.
(DIR) Post #AYgSfHMSKZeDdz5Ppw by batalanto@todon.nl
2023-08-12T08:56:34Z
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@simon @adam OSM needs to reference that wiki page from their donations page. On their donations page, I had to click to get a paypal alternative and on that page they only mentioned the GBP account.
(DIR) Post #AYgSfILQfsQ8h5c6sK by batalanto@todon.nl
2023-08-12T11:22:38Z
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@BrianSmith950 We can scrap the Paypal option. It’s shit.The “by app” options are not really by software, but rather an underlying transfer mechanism. Americans login to their bank accounts to pay their bills, but that’s just a façade for how the money moves. The user often does not even know. Typically an outsourced #billpay service checks whether a payee such as a credit card is linked electronically, then the money moves electronically by ACH. If not, a check is printed and mailed & that’s entirely invisible to the payer. The free bill pay service covers the cost of the stamp. Of course there’s a bit of dodgyness there because how does the billpay service pay their bills if they’re free to you and your bank? They must be snooping & selling your data to data brokers. So sending a paper check yourself manually is the only counter to that.The UK has the GDPR, so perhaps you have some protection against those shenanigans.@simon @adam
(DIR) Post #AYgSfJ323lIasK0vq4 by matzipan@hachyderm.io
2023-08-13T07:24:34Z
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@batalanto @BrianSmith950 @simon @adam just because you think it's shit doesn't mean it is. Lots of people use it and find it practical.Most banks in Europe that I know have almost instant if not instant bank transfers. Why would I bother with checks 😂
(DIR) Post #AYgSfJoBET0rEY4aKO by batalanto@todon.nl
2023-08-13T08:14:02Z
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@matzipan Not sure you read the whole thread. Anyone who is well informed & does not consider #paypal shit is likely a piece of shit themselves. By “informed”, I mean being aware of these damning facts:https://git.disroot.org/cyberMonk/liberethos_paradigm/src/branch/master/rap_sheets/paypal.mdMost people are either uninformed, or unwilling to let ethics get in their way. OSM needs to become informed about Paypal.@BrianSmith950 @simon @adam
(DIR) Post #AYgSfKWqYOk3T4yFwu by simon@en.osm.town
2023-08-13T08:17:42Z
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@batalanto @matzipan @BrianSmith950 @adam the point is without paypal the OSMF would be without a payment processor, nobody has any illusions about the company as such, using them is simply a practicality.
(DIR) Post #AYgSfLHzj6SJpJ1uRE by adam@hax0rbana.social
2023-08-13T09:33:05Z
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@simon @batalanto @matzipan @BrianSmith950 This is false. If it weren't for PayPal, OSMF would still be able to have payments processed via their bank or bitcoin.Here's a link to the documentation showing this: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Donations
(DIR) Post #AYgSfLf2LQt4yloJM0 by batalanto@todon.nl
2023-08-13T08:19:40Z
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@matzipan I used Paypal before they locked my account & kept the money -- before I became broadly aware of Paypal’s wrongdoing.w.r.t checks, what do you do in Europe if you want to pay someone who does not have a bank account? A check covers that situation. Cash is better, but because of the #warOnCash Belgium, France, & Spain have outlawed cash transactions above a certain amount.@BrianSmith950 @simon @adam
(DIR) Post #AYgSfNf6u88PBZrOkK by batalanto@todon.nl
2023-08-13T08:23:41Z
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@matzipanHomes in Europe are still bought with checks. E.g. in Belgium upon closing on a house, the buyer must appear at the notaire with proof of down payment. A screenshot of a transfer is not accepted. So a banker’s check is often used.I agree checks are rare in Europe but there are a number of factors that drive people to be unbanked which makes checks more important.@BrianSmith950 @simon @adam
(DIR) Post #AYgSfPk9ANLrdmERsG by batalanto@todon.nl
2023-08-13T08:28:44Z
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@matzipanIn recent years, some EU banks have closed their over-the-counter service and also shutdown their website. If you want to send money, you must buy a smartphone, register an acct with google or apple, obtain the bank’s closed-source app from Google or Apple & be willing to run the app. And you must repeat that cycle when the bank’s chronic upgrades force you to buy a new phone. I would prefer checks over that.@BrianSmith950 @simon @adam
(DIR) Post #AYgbyHBk63MYCJCzoW by simon@en.osm.town
2023-08-13T11:17:28Z
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@adam @batalanto @matzipan @BrianSmith950 there are things like credit cards that many many people prefer to use for such payments, and not supporting that would immediately eliminate a large number of potential donors.
(DIR) Post #AYgepaBqNaIAO0nngO by grischard@en.osm.town
2023-08-13T11:48:31Z
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@adam @simon thank you! Did you get my email? https://supporting.openstreetmap.org/alternative-payment-options/ now has our bitcoin at the very bottom, 1J3pt9koWJZTo2jarg98RL89iJqff9Kobp
(DIR) Post #AYgqTsP1BTVjwzNeW8 by pernia@cum.camp
2023-08-13T13:59:50.804494Z
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@simon open pedophile foundationwhat costs do they have?
(DIR) Post #AYgrPiHYy8HnMJTKl6 by fartkart@shitpost.cloud
2023-08-13T14:10:34.477757Z
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I took one turn against the navigation's (wrong) directions and it stopped navigating all at once
(DIR) Post #AYgtGPzjn9qxwXpWMq by simon@en.osm.town
2023-08-13T14:29:02Z
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@fartkart you would have to explain what app (?) you are using to get a pointer to the correct place for your complaint. #OpenStreetMap is a data collection project and doesn't provide any end user navigation apps.
(DIR) Post #AYgtGQlwtuPyM4O1Vw by fartkart@shitpost.cloud
2023-08-13T14:31:19.144477Z
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🤷♂️ nigga I could've died, but sure Foss is life !
(DIR) Post #AYhGXzlAMyigjdMfeC by dookie@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-08-13T18:52:09.071041Z
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@pernia @simon i hope that mouse in ur pfp dies
(DIR) Post #AYhGfGphI5JviHx9pA by pernia@cum.camp
2023-08-13T18:53:14.372364Z
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@dookie @simon what the fuck. its a hamster. fuck u bus
(DIR) Post #AYhVl7nRIclWjm99Ps by adam@hax0rbana.social
2023-08-13T21:42:35Z
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@grischard @simon I did and I will be dropping money into the account. ❤️
(DIR) Post #AYhnO9l7dPTJL4GCMS by adam@hax0rbana.social
2023-08-14T01:00:04Z
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@grischard @simon The coins are on the way. 🙂 It's not a huge amount, but I wanted to do my part.I've also been spreading the word on various social media platforms to let other potential doners know about the situation.
(DIR) Post #AYhoBCnP8HCqwliScC by grischard@en.osm.town
2023-08-14T01:07:24Z
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@adam thank you very much for your support!