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(DIR) Post #AYZbQLROQ5QrQxd6Yq by ShariVegas@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-08-10T02:08:26.829674Z
26 likes, 19 repeats
Please, if you respect and love the availability of ad-free and spy-free services, don't bring your sysops to their knees to ask for donations to keep your favorite services online.@graf had to remind people that his network of services wouldn't make it unless he got a day job, and he caught a lot of heat - and love - as a result. But I hate to watch him come to that point, because it could just as easily be me.Well, actually, it kinda is us. NHTB survives because of the love we have for our little community, and our fallen brother (no, he's not dead) Illuminazi paid for it out of his pocket for years, and @thomaslewis before that as well.While on the other hand, misskey.io is rumored to have raked in $10k recently. A Japanese instance, and since I can't read moonrunes anymore, I don't know what they're talking about. But they really got quite the boost from whatever caused their instance to get flooded suddenly.Friends, this isn't about me, or graf, or japs, this is about the preservation of our communications infrastructure. This is about the love for our White brothers and sisters. This is about preserving your mind and sanity - such as it is - by providing services that aren't there to specifically target your hormones and make you the product. This is about excising the ghosts of Edward Bernays and Sigmund Freud from our technology, so that we can have a healthy future, hand-in-hand with these technologies. Please, if you can, donate gladfully to the sysops running the services you use. If you can't, try to encourage others who can to do the same. I would even appreciate your fervent prayers in our case, for the strength and resolve to keep this wagon going, however we can. Please, I beg of you, don't make me, my friends or compatriots beg for donations.RE: https://poa.st/objects/310bf36f-a296-48e3-ba83-b3a5a4175c86
(DIR) Post #AYZbXiYGtNTZ8dMYEK by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T02:09:44.745922Z
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@ShariVegas @thomaslewis give link to contribute to nhtb @matty you too whats your link
(DIR) Post #AYZbh22hnLfCC72VH7 by Bead@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-10T02:11:28.023137Z
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So true, nigbot
(DIR) Post #AYZcBpy8jatrj3apKi by ShariVegas@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-08-10T02:17:01.897869Z
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@graf @matty @thomaslewis We don't have anything cool, after losing Illuminazi I haven't had a chance to rebuild donation methods. You've had luck with LiberaPay/Stripe, I may try that route, because I couldn't pick out anything besides a flat "we have the right to refuse service" bit in the Stripe TOS.People on my instance know that they can contact me directly and ask for my PayPal address, which is the best I have so far. I think we have crypto wallets, but I don't know what they are.
(DIR) Post #AYZcEQ0TiZq84duxBw by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T02:17:27.194198Z
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@ShariVegas @matty @thomaslewis send it to me on matrix
(DIR) Post #AYZcpZvrmH9BZXTnsW by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-10T02:24:12.126449Z
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Que?
(DIR) Post #AYZcqpSTXPz20yKQtc by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T02:24:24.277259Z
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@matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis give donation link nerd
(DIR) Post #AYZdQBuc2ywFn0Lr4y by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T02:26:15.108172Z
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@ShariVegas @thomaslewis @graf copying the business model of social media sites operated using deep pocket angel investor money, while not having any actual angel investors is always funny to watch unfold.
(DIR) Post #AYZdQCdHMufS1XFWhU by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T02:30:48.756618Z
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@af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis I dont consider us as copying the business model. I started Poast as somewhere to shitpost with friends. that's all it was ever intended to be. explosive growth due to branding, advertising and etc was never considered. we are just trying to get by, man
(DIR) Post #AYZddTwYJo63Tdb2VE by ShariVegas@pleroma.nobodyhasthe.biz
2023-08-10T02:33:13.885674Z
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@af2 @thomaslewis @graf The fediverse doesn't have that kind of business model. And truly, that business model is utterly destructive to the consumers. It kills my brothers and sisters.We have to change this. People spend upwards of $100/month on individual streaming services making media that intentionally targets us to force our hand into their favor. Get rid of Disney+, and pay your Sysop with it instead. graf and I host peertube instances, for example, and there's an incredible amount of content available out there.
(DIR) Post #AYZdfSsvE1HElzqNQ8 by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-10T02:33:35.225105Z
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https://liberapay.com/ncdmatty/donateBut I think you should save your money. Regardless, it's much appreciated.
(DIR) Post #AYZexmhmN9OPPYvnRw by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T02:45:02.818083Z
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@ShariVegas @thomaslewis @graf You're kind of right, but the business model is actually "beg for donations once the sysop has been financially devastated by paying for the service out of pocket". I've also seen "refuse to beg for donations, then close down due to complete apathy since it becomes nothing but a time and money sink for the sysop". Both these models are bad for the stability of the fediverse and any other service. We need to move to a model where people pay for their use, and stop expecting everything to be free. This isn't Twitter where saudi shitheads are bankrolling the server bills and admin work. Opt-in donation systems are retarded because there will always be more parasites than paychads, and frankly I don't like donating just to support the 90% who never donate.If you can't afford a few bucks maybe it's time to get a job.
(DIR) Post #AYZf34xNwMlfSwktJQ by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T02:49:02.788015Z
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@af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis I considered deeply not asking for handouts but the reality of it is, it's handouts or its advertisements. once you introduce outside money you introduce control. introducing outside control influences your userbase, your ruleset and your culture. i wont ever accept outside funding from advertising or whatever, but i also cant stand idly by and let the site require intervention to the tune of nearly half for 2 3/4 years without trying to rectify it. it's also not an astronomical number by any stretch of the imagination. if everyone who is registered here donated 1$ we would have enough to pay for poast for a year and a half. if even 10% of them gave 1$ per month, we would have 1.5x what we require to operate which would give us the ability make regular donations to developers. i dont think asking for that is a lot. but some people cant and I get it. other people just consume and have no interest in contributing because they dont care, thats fine too. the point is, this is so easily rectified and by such a little commitment its surreal that i have to repeatedly do it
(DIR) Post #AYZfrRd9ujDkGaJKro by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T02:52:24.343935Z
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@graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis I appreciate your intents but (in my non-instance-operating view) you probably should have closed registration once it got the point where you could not comfortably handle the time and expense of additional users. I've just seen to many services go down over the years for this very reason it's hard to stay quiet anymore. I expect the next 10 years of web culture to be one of very hard lessons on the actual cost associated with the formerly "free" services. It's always the nicest, most competent sysops who get ground down by the endless burden of people who expect everything for free.
(DIR) Post #AYZfsYnUknUGmcg43c by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T02:57:38.329967Z
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@graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis The answer is honestly to stop making it voluntary and just be explicit. If you can run on 3k users paying a dollar a year and someone can't afford to pay you a dollar each year then fuck those niggers. We need competent admins and we need to get used to paying for their competence or we are gonna end up with another gmail disaster. Sweet baby Jesus I do not want another decade of that shit.
(DIR) Post #AYZgRdlaGpJ0KXVkXo by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:04:41.464908Z
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@af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis 30k users paying a dollar a year or 3k users paying a dollar a month. to be frank -- i would much rather have 3000 people paying a dollar a month because it affords me the ability to properly budget, predict trends and growth ebb and flow and makes operating the site and its costs much more stable. as it stands right now I have to move stuff around every couple months to try to save money and cut corners on the other hand, 30k at one time would afford us the ability to pay for *everything* for an entire year which reduces our total operating cost by between 15-18% which is very far from insignificant when you are talking that kind of money. im torn every which way i look, and we are in a unique position here because we are more or less pioneers in the sphere with a pleroma instance of this size, so i dont have a lot of people to turn to for technical help but i lean heavily on those i do -- including our security audits which are helping the fediverse as a whole.i am talking to both shari (on matrix) and fse pete (on irc) about this and I think admins of larger/more active instances on this side should band together to resolve this not just financially but with tech and other stuff -- i have sent contributions to NCD and NHTB and I'd like to see others pay it forward. I'd like to see a Poast user who might have an alt on NCD to throw a couple dollars matty's way. or someone who doesn't have an NHTB account throw some shari's way because they know we rely on this. so i will try to cultivate this culture here as best i can. in this situation we dont win unless we all win
(DIR) Post #AYZgv4IygBo32JAApU by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:10:01.858724Z
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@graf @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis "how do we monetize without alienating users?" Basically unresolved for every social media website.
(DIR) Post #AYZh9hx44TnO3HtUjg by morgthorak@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:12:40.694166Z
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@graf @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Greetings Graf! I just sent you the rest of the bitcoin I had. $33 worth of it as about $3 went to the fee. I am sorry I cannot send more now as I am still poor and looking for a better paying job than what I'm doing. But that brings my total up to about $53 for the year. I hope it helps. I will try to become a regular patron once I have more money. I hope everybody else will give what they can to help you keep this place running.
(DIR) Post #AYZhCEwSNxb0wroj5M by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:13:06.903217Z
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@morgthorak @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis my man i wish you would keep it, you told me your story. can I send it back?
(DIR) Post #AYZhef1L1ERxwFeVJw by morgthorak@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:18:16.350608Z
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@graf @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis No, you cannot. It will not make a difference to me as it's crypto and not easily used like fiat. So keep it. It was just sitting in my wallet anyway. I want you to use it. I will be fine, I have fiat coming in and that is what is paying the bills. You can put it to better use. If you try to send it back to me, I'll resend it and keep resending it until the fees eat up whatever is left each time I send it back. 😂😂😂
(DIR) Post #AYZi5MUI23ysHIvUie by morgthorak@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:23:05.898266Z
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@graf @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Also, I feel compelled to point out to you that we each have a responsibility as users of Poast to try to help support it, even if it means taking a little financial hit. We reap the benefits of this place as a platform so we ought to do what we can to pitch in and keep it going.And anybody who doesn't want to do that can go over to X or Facebook or any of those other types of sites. But even Elon is trying to get users to suppport X.Maybe you could emulate him and offer some bling for patrons? An icon or some other visual crap that people would like to display? There must be some good ideas out there to encourage people to pay monthly for vanity bling.
(DIR) Post #AYZiHmdocT7YrpIyTA by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:24:58.926690Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis It's rough when you start as "free" but then are forced by reality to pay the bills somehow. Users feel like it's a bait and switch, but decades of " :wojak_coomer_clown: everything is free! 🤡" have shown us clearly that no, nothing is actually free.
(DIR) Post #AYZiNmHgrKSVUvoYd6 by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:26:23.916135Z
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@af2 @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Everything is paid for by issuing more stock and zero interest loans from the Fed
(DIR) Post #AYZiSWBq7oT71vL2KO by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:27:14.767098Z
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@morgthorak @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis the reality of this and really anything in life is that if it's free, you're the product. i dont like the idea of ads, even as funny as user generated ads are i feel kind of grimy forcing that shit on users. the problem is I want everyone to have everything I can offer on this platform at all times. the idea of paywalling or gating off features, functions or whatever is how you ostracize your user base. look at the migration from twitter when the 8$ blue check shit hit and they limited how much stuff people can view daily. that makes me feel disgusting even thinking about it. the idea here is providing incentive or value outside of restricting or limiting what someone can or can't do on a platform. a subscription based service like the ability to "boost" a poast so everyone sees it (even tho you do anyway if you check the local timeline) for example. or like another user suggested, views on a particular poast. view counting seems really fucking gay but it seems like something people would enjoy. little stuff like that will go a long way. so it's all stuff i've resolved to explore beyond just asking for handouts. i should be providing something beyond the base experience if i expect the support or whatever
(DIR) Post #AYZiY0pHeE2fUiPL0q by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:28:15.375025Z
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@af2 @monsterislandcolonizer @ShariVegas @thomaslewis ive never implied everything was free. we've accepted and heavily requested donations since march 2021. to allude to me doing anything to the contrary is retarded. everyone here knows poast is not cheap to operate and it's one of the reasons I personally invested heavily in the fediverse.express project and spun up btrfly
(DIR) Post #AYZidWBOUZLQC2NJJo by morgthorak@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:29:16.289695Z
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@graf @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Hey, what about offering bronze, silver and gold monthly patron packages? Come up with a list of additional features/bling you can add to the Poast experience then let people buy it? Right now it seems like everybody who comes here gets it all for free, but if you offer additional benefits at least some people might pay for them. And it would juice the site up too, maybe add some visual flair to people's experience?
(DIR) Post #AYZirQkzSi0HQ3euTg by ForbiddenDreamer@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:31:46.841257Z
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@graf @morgthorak @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis What about uncompressed images so I can upload large greentexts etc without them getting compressed into oblivion?
(DIR) Post #AYZiseSryyfODrlVmi by morgthorak@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:32:00.366730Z
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@graf @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Exactly right! We need a list of ideas. What do people want added to the service? What do they value enough to pay a small monthly fee? You could price the bronze at $2 per month, silver at $5 and gold at $8. We just need to define what extra goodies people would get for each level of patronage.
(DIR) Post #AYZj7TmpxtgzRvAvzs by white_male@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:34:41.122365Z
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@graf @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer @ShariVegas @thomaslewis So, uh, is the shitpoaster premium thing real or not? I need to know. For a friend.
(DIR) Post #AYZjAOJKmSdjKplQdk by Dan_Hulson@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:35:12.555542Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @graf @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Crowdfunding is a good model for us but it amazes me what spiritual kikes some people are and want even throw a few quid in the tin for a service they regularly use
(DIR) Post #AYZjDnto6IBfZ3S2Hg by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:35:48.176256Z
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@Dan_Hulson @monsterislandcolonizer @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis this isnt the first time we have had this discussion and it will not be the last
(DIR) Post #AYZjHBEbnQ0io5n6Dw by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:36:23.427434Z
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@white_male @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer @ShariVegas @thomaslewis very strongly considering it at this moment but it will take some time to R&D and decide what it would actually be that we would offer for the "Poast Platnium" memes (or poast tummy account)
(DIR) Post #AYZjVHOlfxS7yhGYOu by Humber@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:36:29.221185Z
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@morgthorak @graf @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis The base service must stay free. The value of a social network is proportional to the number of members. You want to make it as easy as possible to sign on.The number one problem I see for potential donors is anonymity. Concern for getting doxed and the hassle of avoiding being doxed.
(DIR) Post #AYZjVICOhR9SScUBl2 by morgthorak@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:38:58.990233Z
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@Humber @graf @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Yes, I think we should consider what exists now to be the base. Everybody gets what exists now without paying. Then we build on that by adding features and bling that will get people to pay a small monthly fee of one amount or another.Good point about the doxxing, I do not understand the ins and outs of that beyond using crypto of some kind.
(DIR) Post #AYZjX3vWjZ16m9RGjY by Dan_Hulson@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:39:18.367844Z
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@graf @ShariVegas @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer @thomaslewis It's a piss take with so many active users we can't scrape together 2k a month and I find it disheartening
(DIR) Post #AYZjXOUII0i8XlrJhY by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:39:22.033046Z
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@graf @white_male @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Something like how Twitter has subscriber-only posts? Something like that so you can choose to share a post but non-patron users only see that image?
(DIR) Post #AYZjXrVMP7nMXTa4tE by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:39:25.833629Z
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@Humber @morgthorak @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis for fiat we use a service called liberapay.com, you donate to poast via liberapay.com/poast and all we see is "Anonymous Donation For Poast". if someone has opsec concerns but wants to donate fiat anyway, this is the best choice because as far as I can tell, even if Stripe is breached (the company they use for processing) they don't have any data beyond that it's an anonymous contribution. we have disabled the ability for users to share their information including even their email by this method and it is the most secure way to give fiat. we have a platform built along side poast that integrates with poast, provides badges, the ability to modify or even refund your donation from a panel which is not any other service does. you cannot get a refund from twitter, or gab or any of those. i dont feel comfortable taking a dollar from someone that if something happened they couldn't get back. obviously there is a time limit for it but concessions like that mean a lot to people
(DIR) Post #AYZjd5XLf1ttVT0EyG by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:40:23.058120Z
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@Dan_Hulson @graf @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis Yeah I think it was only like 80 users donated this month
(DIR) Post #AYZjuJTj4zadfVWQbI by Some_German_Guy@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:43:30.532380Z
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@graf @morgthorak @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis >ability to "boost" a poast so everyone sees it.maybe instead of boosting random poasts, do it that someone that pays gets once a week a fancy poast that will be seen by everyone.if its just once a week, they should put more effort into it, while remaining just as obnoxious.maybe call it "the grand shitpoast" or something with a fancy background graphic.that should be enough incentive to entice the sort of people that would not have donated otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AYZjzApme75CJ59nGq by Dan_Hulson@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:44:23.160800Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @graf @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis It saddens me that a place with a large Fascist and National Socialist core would not support our home more
(DIR) Post #AYZk1cgU4TxZGFyVsW by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:44:48.432261Z
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@Dan_Hulson @monsterislandcolonizer @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis 4607 people logged in today btw
(DIR) Post #AYZkNgLt7CKJ0WrNhY by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:48:48.991049Z
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@graf @Dan_Hulson @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis Remember those Sarah McLachlan ads with the dogs? asking people to donate to some fund for animal shelters and they were REALLY depressing?We need something like that for poast
(DIR) Post #AYZkPdfw2PG5HkAbFQ by white_male@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:49:10.384969Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @graf @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis What? Original idea was to become unblockable(unmutable?). Keep it simple silly, don't write a rulebook on it.
(DIR) Post #AYZkQp6N2YmP0s6F5U by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:49:22.151821Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @Dan_Hulson @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis no the idea of animals i or others would consider pets suffering for no reason makes me justifiably upset
(DIR) Post #AYZkeHSstkKwkD2zy4 by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:51:49.020355Z
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@graf @Dan_Hulson @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis youtu.be/9gspElv1yvcThis but instead of an animal shelter it's begging for funds for poast
(DIR) Post #AYZkl3Y32S1Xbqh3KK by Dan_Hulson@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:53:02.413190Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @graf @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis My day is now ruined
(DIR) Post #AYZkm0G0l9eXgzhyu8 by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:53:12.792560Z
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@Dan_Hulson @graf @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis Sorry
(DIR) Post #AYZkqPYucPz3KfeQlc by LordMordred@poa.st
2023-08-10T03:54:00.131496Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @Dan_Hulson @graf @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis The ASPCA don't tell you this but they kill the animals no one adopts
(DIR) Post #AYZlXxt8s0SUFHsi9Y by Humber@poa.st
2023-08-10T04:00:01.547136Z
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@Some_German_Guy @graf @morgthorak @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis I think there should be a unique look to donors, such as a slightly darker/lighter background to their poasts, or perhaps a border. Subtle, but stands out from the others.
(DIR) Post #AYZlp2Ud0H5ZRvYaTA by idea_enjoyer@poa.st
2023-08-10T04:03:52.869441Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @graf @Dan_Hulson @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis "donate today. The 4 hamsters powering our servers need help. They're so tired, they need a break. Won't you donate so we can buy more server hamsters so our poor four can take a nap? They need the finest alfalfa pellets instead of this dry cat food""For only a dollar a month you can sponsor the hamster that powers your account. Act today and you can help name it and get a picture of it in your header"
(DIR) Post #AYZlz1vzw1mUc47gZM by Some_German_Guy@poa.st
2023-08-10T04:06:46.203684Z
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@Humber @graf @morgthorak @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis not sure having a constant differentiation in users is a good idea.all that would do is create a split in the userbase.it would essentially be a blue check, and with how many contrarians we have, that would only lead to stupid things.
(DIR) Post #AYZm63Z2H4Tdh6jVJI by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T04:08:01.378052Z
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@Some_German_Guy @Humber @morgthorak @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis yeah no it wont be good here. as it stands stupid shit like people i follow breeds animosity among some people. blocks, for example breed another type of animosity. when we provide something in exchange it will be something stupid and funny. maybe custom themes or something
(DIR) Post #AYZmHFyuRnXJOKAxzU by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T04:10:03.914409Z
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@graf @Some_German_Guy @Humber @morgthorak @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Windows 95 theme 😭
(DIR) Post #AYZmJVHqVsH7RJ6YIy by Some_German_Guy@poa.st
2023-08-10T04:10:26.906506Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @graf @Humber @morgthorak @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis that would be kind of nice to be honest.
(DIR) Post #AYZmKq9CRJfyQWhJqq by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T04:10:41.775731Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @Some_German_Guy @Humber @morgthorak @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis I have a lot of ideas from threads today and ideas of my own I'm going to evaluate. but I will offer value for dollar service, I agree that it shouldn't just be a handout
(DIR) Post #AYZmMyK50woMMUns8W by ForbiddenDreamer@poa.st
2023-08-10T04:11:05.529170Z
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@graf @Some_German_Guy @Humber @morgthorak @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis $5 to force owl to use the spinster theme.
(DIR) Post #AYZmaqf4IQb4edEmFU by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T04:12:54.215667Z
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@ForbiddenDreamer @graf @Some_German_Guy @Humber @morgthorak @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis I want this image to appear in all her posts containing the words "fag" or "nigger"
(DIR) Post #AYZn6FyuCuL29yUbyq by morgthorak@poa.st
2023-08-10T04:19:17.013367Z
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@graf @Some_German_Guy @Humber @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Bring on the bling!!! Let it flow!!!!
(DIR) Post #AYZnS7gLkDCsn6EwJk by djsumdog@djsumdog.com
2023-08-10T04:23:05.258401Z
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Most big social media sites don't really have corporate investors. Facebook started the day after DARPA shut down their LifeLog program (coincidence or continuation?). FB also got money from Peter Thiel, one of the PayPal Mafia guys who has also backed Palantir (a company that sells domestic spying software suites to multiple nations) and Rumble Nothing is really as it seems.
(DIR) Post #AYZp5vci66m8vf59yC by BitterPill@poa.st
2023-08-10T04:41:38.120189Z
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@af2 @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis This. I'm just as much an asshole as most people and won't pay if I don't have to 99.99% of the time. The first example that comes to mind is video games. If it is possible to pirate and get the same experience as someone who paid for it, I will pirate. If the game is impossible to play or severely crippled in the cracked version but appeals to me enough to be worth the full price, I will often buy it even if the money goes to some huge megakike publisher. Not proud about it but it's the truth and it's the same as with people that pay for shit like Netflix.From a consumer point of view if what you offer is good enough to be worth paying for, then a paywall just works.
(DIR) Post #AYaPOwXcVPb1cz4Fjk by BiggusDiccus@poa.st
2023-08-10T11:21:07.003083Z
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@monsterislandcolonizerSad elf girls on screen while the ending theme of Outlaw Star plays? @graf @Dan_Hulson @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis
(DIR) Post #AYaSxbI3o9A1iW0VNo by Bead@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-10T12:08:17.229770Z
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Good morning, Nigbot
(DIR) Post #AYaT86ND635p10QJI8 by d0c40r0@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-10T12:10:08.078459Z
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he’s going on a nigging spree
(DIR) Post #AYaZlMWNamtQ7Eofaq by TeaTootler@poa.st
2023-08-10T13:24:33.115351Z
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@ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis @graf Someone’s been putting up old episodes of hee haw there lol 😂 Call BR549 !
(DIR) Post #AYae1ry2qM1O5usoy0 by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:12:21.033424Z
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@Dan_Hulson @graf @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis If you hosted a party every weekend you would expect people to help supply food and beveragesExtremist politics tends to attract losers
(DIR) Post #AYae5QMnP8XXeO9h5c by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:12:59.758147Z
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@Dan_Hulson @graf @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis I guess the sad part is a lot of them here aren't actually losers though. They just don't value this site for what it is.
(DIR) Post #AYaejbrQ5c92sidpA0 by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:19:44.726357Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @Dan_Hulson @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis The incentives simply aren't there. If I can expect other people to donate and cover the cost of running the servers, I will (I have donated to poast before, this is how most people see it though). Voluntary funding through donations breeds contempt for the donors (pay my bill for me!) and contempt for the nondonors (lazy parasites!) at a subconscious level. It's an absolutely terrible way to fund things.
(DIR) Post #AYaekWaNBfNSoM6W0G by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:12:42.435980Z
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@idea_enjoyer @monsterislandcolonizer @graf @Dan_Hulson @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Everyone hates being guilt-tripped into opening their wallets. How much do you love to be nagged by Wikipedia each year to donate? Just drop the users who don't pay, simple as.
(DIR) Post #AYaekgGtAxjYqp461Q by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:11:06.852614Z
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@Dan_Hulson @monsterislandcolonizer @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis relying on people's good will is a demonstrably poor way to operate
(DIR) Post #AYaeuKmnucaH6yb1n6 by kirby@lab.nyanide.com
2023-08-10T14:22:11.255058Z
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@af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @graf > We need to move to a model where people pay for their useWelcome to running an instance
(DIR) Post #AYaexDS5dXNDEZHVr6 by sysrq@lab.nyanide.com
2023-08-10T14:22:43.344194Z
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@kirby @af2 @ShariVegas @graf @thomaslewis retard discovers self hosting
(DIR) Post #AYafD3LIzVQwVtexcG by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:25:34.777310Z
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@af2 @Dan_Hulson @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Paring down the website to a manageable size then making it a premium website? Idk. It seems like the trajectory poast is on, eventually full employment won't be able to pay for it. Even moot had to eventually sell 4chan because he couldn't afford to keep the servers up. 4 THOUSAND people logged into poast yesterday, Graf has been paying out of pocket for this website but he's delivering a valuable service. It's fair to charge newcomers I think. Putting your money where your mouth is will become more essential as time goes on.This is our online Orania, people want to live here but it might take a little squeeze to make them contribute.
(DIR) Post #AYafaPesBjSiNtx29I by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:29:46.395468Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @af2 @Dan_Hulson @ShariVegas @thomaslewis not doing that. there are other avenues we can take. for example, peertube is a valuable service for us to run but we don't leverage it. storage is expensive. enabling streaming and uploading for a fee, and storage blocks by say 5$ per 100GB seems reasonable to me. there's people on poast.tv who have uploaded 100s of GB of shit. that's a great place to generate income. same with other services. there are many things I can do other than make this a paid site. I'd much rather see it die than squeeze the userbase. that's jew behavior and I will not be part of it.
(DIR) Post #AYafkoPb0fUQ3IlRNw by burner@norwoodzero.net
2023-08-10T14:31:11.040394Z
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feel free to nuke my 100gb ish of Mister Metokur streams
(DIR) Post #AYafkpOZLyGL6PI8QK by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:31:37.453954Z
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@burner @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer that's not the point. I'm saying in future this is an avenue to take. it's just an example. relax friend
(DIR) Post #AYafuNIKgZ1uqUvVtQ by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:09:18.772262Z
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@Humber @morgthorak @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis This is exactly where the thinking goes wrong. This is true for closed social networks like Twitter, but absolutely does not apply to federated models. If someone cannot afford to buy a Poast account, they will have their choice of "free" servers where they can participate in the fediverse all the same. If there are no more free servers then too bad, the parasite must stop looking for a handout.
(DIR) Post #AYafuOmr8Z2XTSDP6m by morgthorak@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:33:24.706307Z
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@af2 @Humber @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis It is not about buying a poast account, the account and the base set of features is free and will remain so. It's about trying to add value on top of it at a reasonable cost if a user wishes to buy it to help poast be financially viable.
(DIR) Post #AYag5eEy1QfgaTjCC0 by burner@norwoodzero.net
2023-08-10T14:32:48.464121Z
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ahh got it. How much money does btrfly make? Would it be worth it to advertise that?
(DIR) Post #AYag5esJf89AYW8cWe by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:35:23.130745Z
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@burner @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer btrfly covers its costs and thats all i care about
(DIR) Post #AYagJpkw0JWqMARdYW by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-10T14:37:59.525579Z
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I've noticed with a lot of "dissident" or free speech adjacent circles, everyone wants a set of services but few want to support them. There is no reason why Poast isn't funded every month. To be honest, I think people use their fears of being doxxed as an excuse to withhold keeping these services afloat. We as service administrators provide as many options as possible to make sure there are way for you to support us as anonymously as possible. Whether that's Liberapay or Cryptocurrency, the options are there.I think that's why Gab has gone the way of basically Twitter for boomers. The advertisements are targeted towards boomers or precious metals purchasing grifts, let's go brandon type of stuff. I imagine Torba had to do that to keep things going, and that's why he has cast the people who stayed with him through thick and thin, the dissidents, away. It's much less about turning a profit than it is sustainability. This stuff isn't free.
(DIR) Post #AYagPysuybIYPG6tOa by shedinja@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:39:07.540171Z
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@Dan_Hulson @monsterislandcolonizer @graf @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis $50 to their favorite vtuber to read one message, $0 to the nigger saying friend simulator
(DIR) Post #AYagTB6E1Fah9rrJcu by burner@norwoodzero.net
2023-08-10T14:38:00.972202Z
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ah dang, so it's not profitable. Is there any part of this that's profitable, or is everything losing money/breaking even? This is a rough situation
(DIR) Post #AYagTBwgsBYfmaPDP6 by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:39:35.820319Z
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@burner @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer you cant make money on fediverse, it just wont work. the point is staying afloat, not generating a life supporting income. my girlfriend always asks me why i do shit for free for people. "your time is worth something" and shes right, but I also think my users deserve better and thats why i continue with it
(DIR) Post #AYagUeUUEE4IbSuTZo by Red_Hat@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-10T14:39:58.037617Z
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Need another NCD coin fund raiser this year.
(DIR) Post #AYagVz2LK9sCcDNfjU by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:39:05.947436Z
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@graf @monsterislandcolonizer @Dan_Hulson @ShariVegas @thomaslewis It is absolutely NOT jew behavior to ask people to pay for what they use. Voluntary exchange is incredibly White, communism ("From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs") on the other hand is the Jewish thing to do. You have fallen for the cry of the parasite, "I can't afford a dollar a month, graf! Stop being a kike and asking me to pay!".A possible way forward would be to stand up a second instance for paying users only, and encourage everyone who is able to move there. Then give priority support/features/performance to the new instance, while tending to the old instance with whatever free time you have. Begging for donations every year or so when they slow to a trickle is a terrible way of ensuring the thousand year (shitposting) reich.
(DIR) Post #AYagVzjEkgBUlFRvai by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:40:10.226165Z
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@af2 @monsterislandcolonizer @Dan_Hulson @ShariVegas @thomaslewis everything you've suggested to me are just ways to alienate our existing userbase and im just not doing it
(DIR) Post #AYagj0nO620fpob8bI by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T14:42:32.322025Z
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@matty @monsterislandcolonizer @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf I figure if there was a way to "monetize" without also "enshittifying", some actual company would have done it by now and taken over the internet. Ultimately the only "sustainable" model for fedi is for instances to stay small enough so that their owners can afford to run them mostly as a hobby project. Poast is just HUGE and it would benefit everyone, including graf, if its users would spread out a bit more.
(DIR) Post #AYagkFKJYVVRBwaVTU by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:42:47.186777Z
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@graf @af2 @Dan_Hulson @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Selling user data to make money is Jew behavior. Telling people that they need to support the website they use every day is reasonable. Poa.st is a service you provide for free, it's not Jew behavior to require some compensation for the upkeep. If growth continues you'll eventually be unable to pay for it regardless job or no job. Everyone who runs a successful social media site will eventually run into the problem of funding. You've run the place successfully so far so I'm not in a position to advise you, I'm sure whatever you do will be the right decision. 👍
(DIR) Post #AYagoGOrVU5xg9d9dI by Rose@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-10T14:43:30.742290Z
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Indeed. I don’t think people like you or graf are doing this to become rich. That’d be a pretty stupid plan. You’re simply hoping that people will believe in the same cause you do and will keep it going. Whether that cause is shitposting or Christianity or anime. It doesn’t matter what it is, you have to have support.
(DIR) Post #AYagrihijGKqKc6Ejo by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:44:07.058609Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @af2 @Dan_Hulson @ShariVegas @thomaslewis we are in a position where our hardware can safely manage what you could consider to be explosive growth of 4, maybe 5 times the current userbase without much worry. our costs wont increase for an exponentially long time because I've prepared for it. we have multiple 64 core EPYC servers powering poast. I built a CDN specifically to support an incredible amount of sustained bandwidth. we will be fine at our current position for a very long time
(DIR) Post #AYagvu4MPpL2jpgTU8 by RogerFalcon@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:34:51.857579Z
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@Dan_Hulson @monsterislandcolonizer @graf @ShariVegas @af2 @thomaslewis Maybe it’s because IRL fascism and other collectivist systems involved actual physical labor, and the neo online edgelord thing is mostly comprised of people whose actual identity is “NEET”
(DIR) Post #AYagzwSnSLQlK12WHY by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-10T14:45:36.190578Z
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I don't necessarily think that's true. Sure, it would be nice to turn a profit just due to the inherent risks we take to provide these services for people, but ultimately we just want people to be happy in our niche communities while remaining solvent. Setting up a fediverse instance is easy enough, but securing it, understanding what you're doing, preparing for disaster mitigation and recovery, dealing with attacks, all that stuff is something you don't get out of the box. If life was easy, sure, it would be that simple, but it's not.
(DIR) Post #AYah1gKiOp8bsE5agC by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:44:10.537703Z
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@graf @monsterislandcolonizer @Dan_Hulson @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Either you "alienate" your userbase or they alienate you, this problem has plagued the internet for decades and it always ends the same way. Alienating people who expect you to be their slave is a problem only in the mind of a doormat...
(DIR) Post #AYah5JlmERTZ3JTsbA by burner@norwoodzero.net
2023-08-10T14:46:03.587855Z
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I think you're right, but I was thinking of your other ventures. You could try making commericial TF2 servers or something. Oh, and you could try to make beacon.am into the thing that you mentioned doing a few months ago. The livestreaming service that works more like TV.
(DIR) Post #AYah5KZ3HEtJW8XEP2 by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:46:32.221788Z
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@burner @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer yes I have been focusing on beacon.am for the last week and planning to implement poastcdn into it as well
(DIR) Post #AYahFgt78KP7eGrJo0 by rlier23@varishangout.net
2023-08-10T14:48:23.107064Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf @monsterislandcolonizer ive always said it but it would be a good thing for poast to slow its own growth both because that way it avoids Big waves of me users disrupting the poast culture and You also have more time to plan on how to keep the site up without having to take extreme meassures
(DIR) Post #AYahHTw8Fzly3m7nQ8 by burner@norwoodzero.net
2023-08-10T14:47:22.224577Z
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Nice dude. Is it with that original plan, or did you think of something else?
(DIR) Post #AYahHUhHQhUEQ0BRuS by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:48:43.809779Z
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@burner @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer nah ive just been working on it because now was the right time to do it, plus i had to move it and had the opportunity to put it on very beefy hardware for next to nothing (17$/mo) so I seized that opportunitybeacon.am/public/1940s
(DIR) Post #AYahMtOP2WRCSSvbUm by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T14:49:44.970821Z
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@matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf @monsterislandcolonizer Maybe some sort of turnkey solution like "AWS for fediverse" that allow people to pay monthly fees to become managed instance operators would be viable. It would consolidate a lot of the security and management stuff to a dedicated team who knows the ins and outs while also providing a predictable revenue stream to the entity doing the actual hosting. Just thinking out loud.
(DIR) Post #AYahQ2VDcqkta4cIgy by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:48:46.929352Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @graf @monsterislandcolonizer The problem is people want stability. Small instances come and go, but well-run instances like poast have proven themselves to be good places to set up shop. So people flock to it. I myself hate having to change instances, it's very disruptive.Your point about monetizing fails to happen because most social media was a winner-take-all game where they wanted to grow as fast as possible to get people locked into their network, then figure out monetization later. Fediverse is not the same since it's a open network, so one instance growing more slowly (due to not taking free users, for example) isn't a bad thing
(DIR) Post #AYahQnPVDv6r3xIto8 by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:50:25.417726Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer cough btrf.ly :btrfly:
(DIR) Post #AYahWHMlHAwHPudVjs by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T14:51:27.427855Z
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@af2 @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @graf @monsterislandcolonizer Why would I pay to post to fedi on one instance when I could post to fedi on another instance for free? That conundrum was the reason Gab abandoned federation.
(DIR) Post #AYahc6yqnouGwaEWjA by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-10T14:52:29.948752Z
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Graf has deployed BTRFLY which is essentially just that. But the fact of the matter is people want to be a part of a community. They don't want to go through the trouble of setting up their own. I think you're looking at this through the lens of someone who thinks like you, but most do not. There is so much customization that I've put into this instance that most people would not really be bothered to do. People like what I've built here. People like what Graf has built on Poast.I don't think it's asking for too much to be compensated for investing the time and taking the risks, if not only just to maintain solvency.
(DIR) Post #AYahjLA0Tq1YwutlJY by Kirino@seal.cafe
2023-08-10T14:53:49.693204Z
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I want what he built to burn 🔥 🔥 🔥 🔥
(DIR) Post #AYahjia1PHV3aGFMYa by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T14:53:52.558652Z
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@graf @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer $15 a month seems incredibly cheap for such a valuable service! Does the monthly price scale up based on resource usage?
(DIR) Post #AYahrRXmd9K541sq4O by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:55:15.602865Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer no but i have hardware ready to be racked for higher tier which, in the event that happens, we can move people to it without much fuss just changing the IP associated with the domain.there are 'soft' limits but everything is open btrf.ly/knowledgebase/5/Rebased-system-specifications.html
(DIR) Post #AYahtMTISbRRuZhR68 by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:55:37.348606Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer that being said, it's not a free-for-all service, if you are disruptive to other tenants we will ask you to move
(DIR) Post #AYahvEUj5bVhkbGDQm by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T14:55:57.716691Z
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@matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf @monsterislandcolonizer >I don't think it's asking for too much to be compensated for investing the time and taking the risks, if not only just to maintain solvency.I wasn't disagreeing on that point at all. I was just spitballing alternatives, because like you said, getting people to donate is hard.
(DIR) Post #AYahwDLyojl8V8dalc by JustJohnny@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:56:09.343277Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf @monsterislandcolonizer I suggested allowing banner add or sponsored poasts but he really didn't like that.
(DIR) Post #AYai4KnL2DW7teJ2kC by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:53:31.384442Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @graf @monsterislandcolonizer This exists, graf runs such a business, but the problem for me is it's more than I need, which is just a single account which I'd be willing to pay like 12 bucks a year for.
(DIR) Post #AYai4wj40Yg1XObAMC by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:57:42.810221Z
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@JustJohnny @caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer I like the idea of user generated ads. paying 5$ a month to display a jpeg on the site to me seems fine and potentially funny. for example, teasing owl or someone, that kind of shit is funny and it builds the community. we have built support for advertisements into Poast, but people have already complained before I've even implemented anything so I just stopped bothering
(DIR) Post #AYaiAZRPUcvR3i1UnI by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T14:58:43.679797Z
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@graf @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer Crazy that I've never heard about this service until now. I just might move my single user instance over there instead of the crappy VPS I'm currently using!
(DIR) Post #AYaiE5gs2yp9wmvv9s by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-10T14:59:21.616139Z
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I think people may have just been concerned that you would start pushing advertisements like how they do on Gab. I think user generated advertisements would be funny as well.
(DIR) Post #AYaiROkcUZ1WpK242a by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:01:47.362953Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf If everyone but those willing to pay left to another instance poa.st could pay for itself and those users would still be able to shitpost elsewhere
(DIR) Post #AYaiTM17cx7UvXgS3s by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T14:59:01.002588Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @graf @monsterislandcolonizer Because paid services stick around a lot longer than unpaid ones, as a general rule. They also have a superior poasting experience since the admin isn't doing it in his spare time he is being compensated. I can't count the number of times a service I was using (for free) has gone down because it got too expensive for the admin to pay out of pocket, or the admin got tired of running it (for free) since it's somewhat of a thankless job at times. It actually happened to me again just recently on Matrix, where the admin of halogen.city got tired of maintaining it (for free) and the service died causing lots of problems for the users.
(DIR) Post #AYaiUzkJOyHQQwbT1M by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T15:02:22.852594Z
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@af2 @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @graf @monsterislandcolonizer Are you proposing that Poast become a paid access fediverse instance?
(DIR) Post #AYaiWry9HqH0tRy9h2 by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T15:02:45.634737Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf This is true.
(DIR) Post #AYaitAxxKysEBLW1tw by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:06:47.264391Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 i would like to point out that during my meetings with odysee ceo julian that he was amazed i could build something like poast and in specific our cdn for the price i did and im still looking to cut out the fat. i dont think what we are asking for is unreasonable at all, but the meter is a little too high since we are closer to 1950$/mo now not 2k
(DIR) Post #AYaj9MW0AL4WdO9sie by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T15:09:43.108972Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf Poast just charging $10 a month for accounts might be the solution, but boy oh boy would that cause a lot of drama! 😂
(DIR) Post #AYajEBp9LJ36vMPtZo by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:09:21.387263Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @graf @monsterislandcolonizer the two options I see for having poast still around in 10 years would be1. Stop taking new users (or even reduce) to get to the level where graf isn't impoverishing himself (taking a job to pay for poast is impoverishing yourself, buddy) to keep poast running. This is a "realistic altruism" route let's say.2. Transition to being a (nominally) paid service where users have to pay for their usage, which allows growth to make things better for everyone instead of worse. This is the "working together" route.Or we can just wait until begging for donations stops working so well and it either has to shut down or something else people don't want (ads, etc). This is the "destructive self-sacrifice" route.
(DIR) Post #AYajHr6MKWh7oTDLPs by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:11:13.578778Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer >but boy oh boy would that cause a lot of drama! 😂all i have to do is post good morning and dramaniggers and tranny bot start cumming over themselves. im used to it now
(DIR) Post #AYajRAcZ7uIexRiiDw by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T15:12:56.005590Z
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@af2 @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @graf @monsterislandcolonizer 10 years is an eternity in internet time. I don't think Myspace lasted a full decade and it had literally billions of dollars behind it.Your proposals seem reasonable though. I know *I* wouldn't pay for a fedi account, but like matty said I'm not a typical user.
(DIR) Post #AYajVSBTlkgaaT5pw0 by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:13:42.652147Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer i know the vast majority of poast users wont pay for an account so it's not something i'm exploring at all
(DIR) Post #AYajaGrdHhTGvV6i0m by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:14:19.149270Z
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@graf @monsterislandcolonizer @caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson No one doubts your ability to run things at amazingly low cost, but it's still a cost. Odysee doesn't run on donations either 😅
(DIR) Post #AYajdYd9gZ6Utfu1lg by matty@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-10T15:15:10.551273Z
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If you ask for donations, you're grifting. If you make services paid, you're grifting. Or you're a fed, or this or that. Then people wonder why no one wants to stick their neck out for them.
(DIR) Post #AYajhD6NfclbHlJYhM by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:15:49.976490Z
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@af2 @monsterislandcolonizer @caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson no, i wasn't implying that at all. we had the opportunity to partner with odysee but i called it off because julian's wishy-washy approach to his content moderation isn't in line with what we expect. we hard line our rules, but when asked about his published rules he told me personally they wont uphold them. so i really dont want to do business with someone like that. but the point is, we had that opportunity to generate income and we will have another again
(DIR) Post #AYajiS3BZsxlw9PauO by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:15:55.646886Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @graf @monsterislandcolonizer 10 bucks a month is crazy high and wouldn't be competitive with just running your own instance. A dollar a month though? 50 cents a month? Now you're filling a niche that is currently under served.
(DIR) Post #AYajx4q69sPyIDGRvs by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:18:10.422974Z
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@matty @caekislove @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @graf @monsterislandcolonizer yes, some of our fellow nigger-sayers act like spoiled babies and are one of the main cancers holding us back.
(DIR) Post #AYak0pLfh7WXPJowM4 by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T15:19:22.936360Z
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@af2 @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @graf @monsterislandcolonizer If you're going to charge, charge what the market will bear. Lots of people (including me😳 ) pay that much for substack subscriptions. Oh well, it's academic since graf has already said he's ruled out the idea of paid accounts.
(DIR) Post #AYak14yrZgmntDGx1c by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:19:26.641164Z
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@matty @af2 @caekislove @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @graf Graf gets bomb threats called on him and his house swatted so often he has a direct line to the police stationIt's preposterous to accuse him of grifting
(DIR) Post #AYakCu0eBukVL0kE4W by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T15:21:33.561521Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf Agreed 100%.However, thanks to SJWs, people have become conditioned to regard anything even slightly like "I'm being harassed, please send me money!" as a grift. Also trolls are gonna troll even without particular incentives.
(DIR) Post #AYalpHR3dsTMwzxghs by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:39:43.223688Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf People who don't actively promote their own side are NGMI
(DIR) Post #AYalsDfY6MCo8e8pYu by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:40:15.152697Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf "why should I pay extra to live in a White neighborhood when I could live in Section 8 for free?" Same energy
(DIR) Post #AYamAxKT4rmaxlDP1s by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T15:43:36.909527Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf Oh there's no doubt in my mind that within 3 months of Poast becoming a paid service, they'd drop federation.
(DIR) Post #AYamSD1fyCWgZKeVI8 by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:46:45.363051Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf Hmmmm maybe but I doubt it. Gab still isn't a paid service. They defedded because they're a boomer instance who was tired of getting hentai on the timeline.
(DIR) Post #AYamwe91hyd1MZbWEK by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T15:52:02.635197Z
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@monsterislandcolonizer @caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @graf Yep, they couldn't handle the animejugend. Ultimate boomer move.
(DIR) Post #AYantbnU4zjBATdwES by DE@poa.st
2023-08-10T16:02:54.806161Z
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@graf @Dan_Hulson Good morning Graf have yourself a wonderful day. Stay frosty in the face of adversity.
(DIR) Post #AYapnDk4nnmSjY8BIu by JustJohnny@poa.st
2023-08-10T16:24:10.237016Z
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@graf @caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer I'd pay $5 so owl has to see plap poasts.
(DIR) Post #AYaprzNzbbzfem4iye by monsterislandcolonizer@poa.st
2023-08-10T16:25:01.833870Z
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@JustJohnny @graf @caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 I've started quote posting her with pictures of angry Asuka
(DIR) Post #AYapzB9uEVjOCEulwO by Weedle@poa.st
2023-08-10T16:26:19.901653Z
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@graf @JustJohnny @caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @monsterislandcolonizer I am all for this this shit seems fucking hilarious
(DIR) Post #AYau7m6n8d5avYoQJE by Humber@poa.st
2023-08-10T16:58:45.874442Z
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@af2 @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Not many people are going to pay upfront to join some random network like poa.st, as soon as they see the price tag they will check out.You want people to be able to join for free to see what the network is like before the pay anything.Requiring money upfront will ensure that poast does not grow any larger from where it is now, and it will in fact shrink as a result of that.As @morgthorak said, a base account should be free but more can be added for those who pay.
(DIR) Post #AYau7muQA6mvPU23fM by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T17:07:54.067609Z
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@Humber @morgthorak @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis What is the benefit of poast growing with nonpaying users? The only thing this causes is more burden that the donors need to pay for. You're applying business logic to an organization that is the opposite of a business, a charity.
(DIR) Post #AYau7nfDM8DbkbvQbQ by ForbiddenDreamer@poa.st
2023-08-10T17:12:41.857155Z
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@af2 @Humber @morgthorak @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Economically speaking, poast can grow several times over without much of an increase in expenses. Some of those people will become donors, say 1% of them. It's basically free money.
(DIR) Post #AYauZzvdLhz1tj3DsW by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T17:17:46.958028Z
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@ForbiddenDreamer @af2 @Humber @morgthorak @ShariVegas @thomaslewis it's not really free if you consider our time as moderators to police our rules but you are mostly correct. plus people come here for community now. because they like what we've built and the users we have. if we locked the doors we wouldn't have half the people who make poast what it is. take nugger for example
(DIR) Post #AYav5RMdOWdvxrfo3M by ForbiddenDreamer@poa.st
2023-08-10T17:23:29.068967Z
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@graf @af2 @Humber @morgthorak @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Well I did say mostly free, mostly because I assumed the jannies did it for free. And of course as you mentioned, poast just wouldn't be poast if we started kicking people out for being poor.
(DIR) Post #AYaved1U2UEMG8Yj1U by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T17:22:43.257947Z
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@ForbiddenDreamer @Humber @morgthorak @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis I've never seen that happen, where donors are able to continually cover a growing userbase consisting primarily of nondonors. Donor burnout is absolutely a thing, and frankly I'm very uncomfortable with the idea that graf is taking on an extra job for the stated purpose of being able to support poast.
(DIR) Post #AYavedijRgpEQGnGQy by ForbiddenDreamer@poa.st
2023-08-10T17:29:50.359077Z
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@af2 @Humber @morgthorak @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis It's not like the increased userbase will bring an increase in expenses though. The hardware is bought, paid for, and sitting idle. Why not use it, unless you happen to have 150k paying users looking to register somewhere.
(DIR) Post #AYavfooxeyBR8jGlmK by Humber@poa.st
2023-08-10T17:25:49.291771Z
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@af2 @ForbiddenDreamer @morgthorak @graf @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Donors, buyers, spenders of money, whatever.You want as large of a pool as possible to pull money from. Only a small percentage of users will spend money, so the more users you have the more money you will make.
(DIR) Post #AYawAULdpMricaBD8q by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T17:35:35.225458Z
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@ForbiddenDreamer @af2 @Humber @morgthorak @ShariVegas @thomaslewis jannies do it for free :janny: correct but if they ever need something they ask and I will provide as best I can. meals or whatever. it's the least I can do
(DIR) Post #AYawJDHmdMESJHXGjo by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T17:24:49.932651Z
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@graf @ForbiddenDreamer @Humber @morgthorak @ShariVegas @thomaslewis nugger would be on a different instance and everyone would be able to follow him all the same. Poast is not the whole fediverse, this is applying closed network logic to an open network. Everyone will have the same chance to be "here" and interact with each other, just without putting unfair strain on a single point of failure.
(DIR) Post #AYawJE8FUICQw05AW0 by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T17:37:09.535212Z
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@af2 @ForbiddenDreamer @Humber @morgthorak @ShariVegas @thomaslewis but what I'm saying is if we had paywalled from the beginning he wouldn't be here. he wouldn't know there are other instances. he came to poast because poast was heavily talked about and advertised in its infancy. if we had paywalled it we definitely wouldn't have him. if we paywalled it we wouldn't have people who joined and realized after the fact "hey I really like this place I'm going to chip in" which equates to literally 100% of donors
(DIR) Post #AYaxMJXFxEjIW1ocC0 by af2@poa.st
2023-08-10T17:46:10.913306Z
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@graf @ForbiddenDreamer @Humber @morgthorak @ShariVegas @thomaslewis So go with a higher tier instance for paid supporters. Then you can attract people to fediverse (I think your scenario is dubious but let's go with it) then hopefully convert them to paid accounts later on the higher tier service once they realize the value. Instead of taking a job for some kike you could get paid to manage poast, imagine that. I'd even be willing to work with you on this, if there's something I can do.
(DIR) Post #AYaxMKTOT5EZQL12oK by graf@poa.st
2023-08-10T17:48:55.755917Z
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@af2 @ForbiddenDreamer @Humber @morgthorak @ShariVegas @thomaslewis I don't think I'd ever feel comfortable taking money from Poast. it's like my child. I would much rather nurture it than rely on it for living. I will grow to resent it if I become greedy and I don't ever want that. all I want is to generate enough to cover our costs and with ideas from myself and users I have a few plans I could put in place to do that. paywalling isn't a thing im interested in and I will not entertain it sorry
(DIR) Post #AYbCiO23Pmlm94ChKy by Dan_Hulson@poa.st
2023-08-10T20:41:00.557167Z
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@matty @caekislove @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @af2 @graf @monsterislandcolonizer I think it's a spiritually Jewish mindset to expect your Admin and friends to carry you on an instance even if you only throw in a few quid once in a blue moon that's fine but just don't be a nigger and expect others to carry you
(DIR) Post #AYbKf2bbQBuoSLkNJg by ThatMushroom@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-10T22:10:02.544739Z
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I'm spotty with financial support. We have been breaking even these last couple of years with having a baby and a stay at home mom, plus the couple of layoffs I've had. I try to dish out some but I prefer to support by giving my time. I think for some, they are just struggling financially and don't want to commit
(DIR) Post #AYbKie0onhaXL8GA52 by BitterPill@poa.st
2023-08-10T22:10:41.984933Z
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@caekislove @af2 @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @graf @monsterislandcolonizer Same reason you would pay border guards to keep unwanted 3rd world filth out of your fatherland while being able to talk to and visit the 3rd world when you felt like it.Pretty much all my interactions with people from another instance are by seeing someone from poast replying to them. I basically just look at the home and local feeds, it's very comfy.
(DIR) Post #AYbKtDXlYC8IQziDs8 by caekislove@gleasonator.com
2023-08-10T22:12:35.101214Z
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@BitterPill @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf @monsterislandcolonizer The local timeline is good for discovery when you first join fedi, but most people outgrow it in a month or so.
(DIR) Post #AYbMBuun8SFK7Bxkqu by BitterPill@poa.st
2023-08-10T22:27:11.248006Z
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@caekislove @matty @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @Dan_Hulson @af2 @graf @monsterislandcolonizer I guess most people are too addicted to scrolling the feed.
(DIR) Post #AYlDsXraSuywCuQodM by ehhh@varishangout.net
2023-08-15T16:41:05.774375Z
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@af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @graf
(DIR) Post #AYlYUzJWqp1JQo6q9I by ehhh@varishangout.net
2023-08-15T20:32:03.620493Z
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@af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis @graf I remember back when people were shitting on lewdieheaven for having a one-time entry fee.
(DIR) Post #AdDIh62UcCOLZL6wL2 by itsover@poa.st
2023-12-26T21:15:26.554830Z
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@graf @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis Pls make poast IRC network in 2024 graf-sama
(DIR) Post #AdDLX07Y44aeBDLyLo by graf@poa.st
2023-12-26T21:47:11.730289Z
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@itsover @af2 @ShariVegas @thomaslewis coming soonTM