Post AYXYNb35FGD2nGKyaO by victor@crucible.world
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(DIR) Post #AYVUFVyFS8qsax2wpU by hazlin@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2023-08-08T02:29:11.011996Z
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God describes what it looks like, when He is taking care of someone.3You will be blessed in the city and blessed in the country.4The fruit of your womb will be blessed, as well as the produce of your land and the offspring of your livestock— the calves of your herds and the lambs of your flocks.5Your basket and kneading bowl will be blessed.6You will be blessed when you come in and blessed when you go out.7The LORD will cause the enemies who rise up against you to be defeated before you. They will march out against you in one direction but flee from you in seven.8The LORD will decree a blessing on your barns and on everything to which you put your hand; the LORD your God will bless you in the land He is giving you.If you aren't enjoying God's care, consider talking to Jesus about changing that. Jesus has already prepared for you to receive God's care. It isn't a loan, you don't pay as you go, there is nothing to pay back.A life of joy awaits for all those who know Jehovah, and His son Christ Jesus.
(DIR) Post #AYVX2jbDlpx6xesD1U by idea_enjoyer@poa.st
2023-08-08T02:53:36.889895Z
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@hazlin Good ol prosperity gospel, we meet again
(DIR) Post #AYWd94uuDelRhGRt4a by hazlin@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2023-08-08T15:43:34.505860Z
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@idea_enjoyer I've honestly not encountered anything like my post in the wild. It is always some twisted version about giving money to a pastor or church. Giving to get, doing to receive.When you separate out the shit everyone is mixing into it. You just have a lot of scripture, where God talks about taking care of you, and doing stuff for you.Surprisingly, people react poorly to hearing about God's goodness. Like they have come to accept Him as being harsh and hard. They get angry when people suggest otherwise.
(DIR) Post #AYWewYQlNNdtNNVPiS by idea_enjoyer@poa.st
2023-08-08T16:02:29.644240Z
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@hazlin Not at all. In fact, most modern churches speak often of God's love for us to the exclusion of any talk about God's discipline. I would have to hear more about what you are describing to understand it better, and I would have to hear your discussion of all the parts of the Bible that address the suffering of God's people before I could accept what you are saying, and it has to be deeper than "people get angry when they hear God wants to bless His people."Of course God blesses His people, but the Bible is also full of comfort towards those in trials which they don't understand. If your worldview can't account for this at greater depth than "they're not real Christians", or "they were in sin," your worldview has some gaps that will need to be addressed
(DIR) Post #AYWf5Mmy1tpLsM5r84 by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-08-08T16:05:17.753704Z
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@idea_enjoyer @hazlin Reminder that Jesus is the biblical figure who talks about hell the most. He came to save us and wants to warn us of the consequences of rejecting Him.
(DIR) Post #AYWfzNNB2rnFu5jnbU by idea_enjoyer@poa.st
2023-08-08T16:06:23.966901Z
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@hazlin God is not our cosmic errand boy or genie, just here to do things for us and bless us. God does bless His children with good things.God allows His children to go through hard times for reasons beyond our understanding, but He is still good If your worldview can't deal with these seeming contradictions, it needs development.
(DIR) Post #AYWmdwCzXtExFkhLU0 by hazlin@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2023-08-08T17:29:55.573576Z
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@idea_enjoyer > most modern churches speak often of God's love for us to the exclusion of any talk about God's discipline. I'd be interested in knowing which denominations those are, because it certainly isn't anything I have locally xDBad thing happened and it is because:> "they're not real Christians"> "they were in sin,"These are interesting hypothetical assertions for me to have. Sort of has a once saved always saved straw man feel to them. While I think once saved always saved is the truth or nearly so, it is a bit tangential to the topic at hand.Bad things happen to people because, satan and his followers work with unending desire to destroy... well everyone. It isn't always satan, God killed lots of people in the Bible as well. But, the majority of people in the Bible suffered at the hands of satan at one time or another.As for sin? Sin often has mechanical consequences, like standing in a fire. If someone holds a hot coal in their hand, or jumps off a building, I'm pretty sure their sin directly caused their suffering. I like to point at king David, because some of his suffering was punishment from God, some was from satan, and some was a mechanical result of his actions. But, even though he suffered for many reasons, he always went to God for help, and always received help. He wrote after having been through many trials that, God delivered him from all his fears and fished him out of troubled waters, and freed him from the hunter's snare.David's frame of references for God's goodness was a lot less than we have now. It was what was promised him in the first Testament between God and Israel. And, the personal promises, like that David would be king of Israel. You and I, have more, and greater promises than David. The promises for those who believe in Jehovah, and that He send Jesus to deliver us.But, finding a Christian who isn't rationalizing why their suffering is good, why they shouldn't be delivered, and why God is harsh and hard... well they are so very rare.The OP about how God would care for those in an impersonal relationship with Him, is my attempt to confront people with a baseline for how God treats people. What has been offered since Jesus' victory, is so much greater, that we should be His beloved children. But, instead of increase people's expectations about God's care, they have settled for projecting the image of an abusive and hard parent on to God. They make God about to be the sort of parent that gives you a rock to eat, and when you complain, He beats you until you convince Him you are sorry, that you are grateful for the rock, and that you were wrong to complain.Practically speaking, I think most Christians wont go to hell. But, they don't know God, and go around thinking He is a brutal tyrant, all the while saying He is Love. And, I honestly don't know what the consequence of that is for people.I've met a handful of Christians who are uplifted by their relationship with God, the more they see of Him, the more they want to know. And, the rest... God is a heavy load that crushes them, they can't bare to learn any more about Him, because the weight of His displeasure is already too heavy... the best they can do is show up on Sunday, and try to talk other into joining them in their misery, because that is what their God demands.My real hope, is to, get people's attention talking about God's goodness (there is a lot of that). To talk about God's loving character. To present it separate from works, and the neo-works of the prosperity preachers. (I really question whether or not the grace of God is enough to cover the sins of those who use God's word to enslave others)Anyway, I hope you are having a good day friend :D I've written all this because it seems like you wanted to understand where I was coming from. But, it is okay if we disagree, I've found that theological synchronization is not required to be brothers in Christ. You've been a highlight on my timeline and I hope that will continue to be the case!
(DIR) Post #AYWue33GtyvO6tiPFg by idea_enjoyer@poa.st
2023-08-08T18:11:30.921287Z
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@hazlin And for the>They were in sinAssertion, I got it from this postamala.schwartzwelt.xyz/objects/4db81122-cc0c-4078-be1e-55423f957bb3My understanding of what you are saying here is that Job was not righteous before God in his trial because you say "partial credit" and "Job's relationship with God was restored. A direct question can clear this up: Do righteous Christians sometimes suffer according to God's will for things that are not their fault? If the answer is yes, I have no quibble with you. If your response is "no," I think you're missing something terribly important
(DIR) Post #AYWue3o460M4S1bmBk by hazlin@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2023-08-08T18:59:39.373622Z
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@idea_enjoyer I would say both assertions miss represent my point in each post. You don't seem to care about what I am trying to say, and now we are back to talking about Job, the edge case of all edge cases. We might as well argue about whether or not Jonathon was saved, because he died with his father in battle against the philistines. Did God want it to happen? No. Was God upset with Jonathon? No. Could it have been avoided? Yes. If Jonathon had left with David into the wilderness would he and survived? Yes. Did Jonathon's choices get him killed by God? Yes. So was he saved? From his hardship? No. But, in so far as I can tell, he died in good standing with God.A similar matrix can be constructed for Job.I'd not commented on it, because I thought we could stick to... what I actually wanted to talk about lol. But, since we are not, lets talk about it:>God allows His children to go through hard times for reasons beyond our understanding, but He is still good I know people who believe this way, and they try to keep a good attitude and learn what ever it is God is trying to teach them. They go through long hardships, things get worse over time. They end up bitter and hard. I've seen such a person say the hardest most unfeeling shit to someone in a tough situation, because they thought that is what God would have told them.I also know people who... just ask God for help, in ever trial, in ever hardship. And, somehow they are able to quickly learn what ever it was God was trying to teach them with the hardship, because it just ends. I've literally seen this happen, in person, probably around 100 times all together. They never have to become hardened, they don't get toughened up, they don't say terrible things to other people because they don't think God would say those things. I heard a quote once from a person who believed in only a post tribulation rapture. They said "Do you really think God is going to let you leave without suffering?!". And, what else is there to say, but that they didn't know God.It is like the Jews, when Jesus arrives on the Earth. They were real Jews, in real convenient with God. They read the scriptures, and kept the traditions. But, Jesus said "You study the scriptures because you think they contain eternal life, but you do not know my Father, and you do not recognize me."This is as much as I have for this conversation. It is honestly, not my problem if you don't understand what I am saying, I have tried my best, but this is turning into an emotional drain for me, so I am done with it.
(DIR) Post #AYWxgTaVVokYqt6tvM by idea_enjoyer@poa.st
2023-08-08T19:32:31.512487Z
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@hazlin I've suffered for thirty months in a row, and have continually asked God for help.You're telling me this is my fault, that I deserve it. I think you are in error.
(DIR) Post #AYWzOurLZuEM84k1qK by hazlin@amala.schwartzwelt.xyz
2023-08-08T19:52:56.635144Z
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@idea_enjoyer I'm sorry to hear that. And, if I can help let me know. I'd bet what ever it is you are going through isn't your fault at all. And, I don't think God is trying to teach you anything with suffering. I only said they learned quickly to put it into the context of your words. I don't actually think God is trying to teach you anything with suffering.I don't think David learned anything from his suffering, but when he was delivered he sure celebrated that God had delivered him.I don't know what you are dealing with, but I do know God doesn't like your suffering. Anymore than he likes my own. I was essentially bed ridden already when covid hit, so I didn't even notice the lockdown xD I prayed every day, read the Bible every day, and sought my healing, but only became more and more sick. I had no way to heal myself, and modern medicine was no help. My nights were full of terror, I would ask God for help, and then immediately fall back into terror knowing He wasn't going to help.My, words, my intent, is not to torment you or anyone else, we often cannot save ourselves. But, God wants to help us. For me, he showed me that, I couldn't trust Him through my own efforts. But, when I realized that I asked Him for help, to do His part and my part in our relationship. That, I started to rely on Him to give up my trust in Him, to show me His heart, to receive my healing. Before it was all on me, I was trying so hard to do my part everyday, but it wasn't what He wanted from me. He just wanted me to rely upon His help.I'm still not back to 100%, but my nights of torment left almost immediately. He gave me peace, without me doing anything for it. He has been making me stronger and healthier every day since then.And, I don't know your past, I had been subjected to some really bad teaching that turned my whole relationship with God into works. Even faith was works. God didn't put the suffering on me, but I was really trying to do it all myself, I was trying to learn my way out of it with medicine, I was trying to earn my way out of it through the twisted teachings I had been given. And, as soon as i gave up on those things and... well I don't know what really, started relying on God to do what should have been my responsibility? He quickly rushed in and helped me.So, I don't know anything about your situation, except that, God hates your suffering, and He wants to help you right now. And, He is the most wonderful person I have ever known, and I want everyone to know about how much He cares about them, and how much He wants to do for them.A relationship with God, knowing God, is an emergent characteristic that only exists between the two people involved in the relationship. So I am struggling to describe it, or explain how to have your own, I don't really know. But, I do know He always hears us, and the most important thing we can do, is talk with Him.
(DIR) Post #AYXGi4SlnL68dYxu2y by Omega_Variant@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-08T23:06:55.670503Z
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The prophets were also some of the most miserable people on earth and everyone hated them for the messages they had.God indeed takes care of us, that often times comes at the cost of suffering and being miserable on this earth.One can be miserable here but joyful for the reward they are saving up in heaven, the two aren't exclusive. After all this is not our home.
(DIR) Post #AYXUmmnWIfisegoUSm by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-08-09T01:44:37.335997Z
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@Omega_Variant @hazlin @idea_enjoyer Ideally living well and with the right mindset will help you be joyful in spite of whatever suffering you might face.
(DIR) Post #AYXVIwff7wEmXkTN3I by idea_enjoyer@poa.st
2023-08-09T01:49:33.360925Z
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@ArdainianRight @Omega_Variant I don't think Job is theoretical or an edge case. I think Job is THE example of a Christian suffering. You don't know how little people care until you're going through it, and you don't know how many people will simply blame you and walk away, or worse, pile on. Job's friends are the norm, not the exception.
(DIR) Post #AYXVf3BxYy6P8e7Vb6 by SpurgAnon@varishangout.net
2023-08-09T01:54:23.379028Z
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@idea_enjoyer @hazlin where did he mention money?
(DIR) Post #AYXVmbUaQv4zXwQzbc by SpurgAnon@varishangout.net
2023-08-09T01:55:48.096629Z
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@hazlin @idea_enjoyer it's mostly because they don't understand what it means. To them it's part of the atheist complaint: "I didn't get what I wanted from the genie-man, therefore bad!"
(DIR) Post #AYXVqAqBSufa2vErS4 by ArdainianRight@detroitriotcity.com
2023-08-09T01:56:22.079414Z
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@idea_enjoyer @Omega_Variant There might be some tragedies that are gonna be tough to bounce back from or get through regardless, but you do have within yourself a lot of ability to control your mindset to enjoy the highs more and better deal with the lows.
(DIR) Post #AYXVxgwgUyl5e1rdHU by SpurgAnon@varishangout.net
2023-08-09T01:57:49.336850Z
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@idea_enjoyer @ArdainianRight @Omega_Variant the entire story of Job, Job did not know God properly at all till the end... Or is that part of your point?
(DIR) Post #AYXXeXO40oqUPEfHNo by victor@crucible.world
2023-08-09T02:16:28.052203Z
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@Omega_Variant @hazlin @ArdainianRight @idea_enjoyer One of the best examples of this is Ezekiel 4, where God, after commanding Ezekiel to lie on his right side for 390 days followed by his left for 40 days while proclaiming judgments on Israel and Judah, then commands him to eat barley cakes fired with human feces in front of everyone else during that time.Ezekiel protests, and God allows him to use cow dung instead.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel%204&version=KJV
(DIR) Post #AYXYNb35FGD2nGKyaO by victor@crucible.world
2023-08-09T02:24:36.564942Z
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@Omega_Variant @ArdainianRight @hazlin @idea_enjoyer And then in Ezekiel 24:15-18, God kills Ezekiel's wife and commands him not to mourn for her.https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Ezekiel+24&version=KJVOf all the prophets, he may have had it the worst.
(DIR) Post #AYXZxGTLKDzPM8Bwf2 by Omega_Variant@nicecrew.digital
2023-08-09T02:42:34.183024Z
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Imagine how painful that was