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(DIR) Post #AYRQSBxZzFszqegRJA by 11thJeff@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T00:06:23Z
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I find myself using #mastodon less and less, because nobody sees my posts, and following has slowed to a crawl.Meanwhile I get dozens upon dozens of #Threads notifications every day and in a few weeks my account there has thousands of followers. @Gargron, we need to talk about what this says about algorithmic feed placement...
(DIR) Post #AYRQSCkV3N1AINZVYm by Grant_M@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T00:15:09Z
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@11thJeff I see this post! But I disagree that Mastodon should have algorithms. It's about curating one's own via hashtags and follows.
(DIR) Post #AYRQSDcjniP30awp6G by 11thJeff@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T00:54:30Z
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@Grant_M I like a platform that functions out of the box. Seems like all that other stuff limits the uptake.
(DIR) Post #AYRQSEKhAHZ5CvVvcG by Grant_M@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T00:56:30Z
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@11thJeff Fascist billionaire algorithms are available with threads/twitler. Mastodon was built specifically to give us refuge from those algorithms.
(DIR) Post #AYRQSF6CJfYvaFjreq by 11thJeff@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T02:50:59Z
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@Grant_M 202 followers
(DIR) Post #AYRQSFkFujbZaUTr60 by Gargron@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T03:00:25Z
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@11thJeff @Grant_M And?
(DIR) Post #AYRQSGLTgLNZRvta76 by 11thJeff@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T03:09:07Z
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@Gargron @Grant_M People don't really go to social media to be ignored and buried in the chron-feed.They go to engage, and grow, and connect with each other, and share. Threads made that easier in 6 weeks than Mastodon in 6 months. And that might be worth examining.
(DIR) Post #AYRQSH354EG1dAIP4q by feinzer@akko.airis.dev
2023-08-06T03:27:45.981892Z
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@11thJeff @Gargron @Grant_M brands go to social media to do thatPeople go to social media to interact and just have fun. What are you going to reply to me now? My followers count? At least I'm having fun and so does the people that I follow and the people that follow me
(DIR) Post #AYRRG8upa0s2syDTUm by 11thJeff@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T03:30:16Z
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@feinzer @Gargron @Grant_M I literally follow everyone I reply to or replies to me.I do the same thing on Threads. Except it actually has an algorithm that seems to connect me with more and more of those people I end up liking and responding to and following.
(DIR) Post #AYRRG9euofjZBtmHKK by feinzer@akko.airis.dev
2023-08-06T03:36:50.656936Z
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@11thJeff the issue with having an algorithm is that it eventually becomes exploitable. The social platform then shifts from being social to being a billboard for brands and products. This make people stop interacting for the sake of socializing and start doing so for getting views and followers. This is not healthy.Yes, you can have healthy people eventually realizing this and not falling for it while still using the platform, but those are people that had to realize the problem and overcome it. The average person will fall for this unhealthy usage and it even becomes their entire lifestyle.This is why having no algorithm is, in my opinion, better. Because there is no algorithm to exploit, no trick to get popular, no secret to advertisement; it's just people.@Gargron @Grant_M
(DIR) Post #AYRSEzMvgmbSwQNAye by 11thJeff@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T03:38:48Z
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@feinzer @Gargron @Grant_M To me that argument can be deconstructed by analogy to Google. People are always trying to game Google's algorithm. And they're changing it constantly (and kind of failing in recent years, imho). But can you imagine Google without an algorithm?
(DIR) Post #AYRSF070vRSzFLvyoC by feinzer@akko.airis.dev
2023-08-06T03:46:46.083170Z
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@11thJeff @Gargron @Grant_M I can actually. Hosting my own search aggregator, I fetch results from other engines tho. But not algorithm to sort them.I see your point of changing it, but the issue is that it's obvious not everyone knows how to trick Google's or twitters algorithm, in fact, nobody except a really small number of people do.This causes another issue, you can see a person having success tricking the algorithm once or twice and people start mimicking them. So you start seeing toxic behavior being the norm, you start being toxic because that's the trend. You see people putting links to other sites in their page to trick Google and you start doing it too (this was a very old method, really)This means that while not every trick works, people will still follow the tricks just because they think it does. There's an incentive. A possible treasure that you just need to find.Every algorithm, even if it changes constantly, will give people the incentive to trick it and follow trends to be noticed and it's still very unhealthy. In fact even the chronological way of posting can give people the incentive to just post more so they appear more often in timelines. At the end, it's not perfect, but I believe it's better to stay without algorithm.
(DIR) Post #AYRTNASMRvEhbFNS0u by Grant_M@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T03:52:29Z
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@feinzer @11thJeff @Gargron Great read. Thank you
(DIR) Post #AYRTNBBNkXFTqsRPBg by 11thJeff@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T03:54:12Z
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@Grant_M @feinzer @Gargron But think, if you weren't quoted here, and weren't on at this exact time, you might never read it at all.
(DIR) Post #AYRTNBpnKHZhsDLgB6 by feinzer@akko.airis.dev
2023-08-06T04:00:28.199311Z
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@11thJeff @Grant_M @Gargron yeah and I don't think there's something necessarily wrong with thatWhen you go to a place to have fun and meet new people, like a party, do you want everything you say recorded and archived for prosperity? No, you probably just want the people there to hear you, interact with you, maybe compliment you and share your joke or message to their friends.This is what it means to socialize and have your moments. Not everyone gets to participate in every moment, but everyone has their own little moment with other people and I think that's neat
(DIR) Post #AYRTjEQuLSuoItDbfs by feinzer@akko.airis.dev
2023-08-06T04:04:23.180159Z
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@11thJeff @Grant_M also like, if you wanted to publish something to be recorded for prosperity we already had things for that. Blogs. Articles. People can keep reading them and sometimes even discuss them on the comments or social media like this
(DIR) Post #AYRTyVsdl6n0l8TcsS by Grant_M@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T04:03:48Z
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@feinzer @11thJeff @Gargron The fun of discovery! It's so much easier to see good things here than it was on twitler.
(DIR) Post #AYRU0Bwoq3vXWDEQpU by LGsMom@toad.social
2023-08-06T03:59:01Z
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@11thJeff @feinzer @Gargron @Grant_M I’m really happy here and am having lots more interaction than I had on twitter. I have been actively building my follows and hashtag follows and creating lists. Even better, I’m not supporting any billionaires.
(DIR) Post #AYRUdx2Nh62IrHnBE8 by 11thJeff@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T04:07:29Z
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@feinzer @Grant_M I see a key point of social media as an avenue to drive engagement to those other things. It's not the only goal, but it is a major goal.
(DIR) Post #AYRUdxmSvktpADLz3g by 11thJeff@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T04:10:40Z
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@feinzer @Grant_M Like here when you re-posted this, you had a goal right? The goal was to get people who see it to agree with you, and change their behavior so that they're not supporting Billionaires right?https://syzito.xyz/@selzero/110837319716739179
(DIR) Post #AYRUdySIQEMNFwvOG8 by feinzer@akko.airis.dev
2023-08-06T04:14:43.330474Z
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@11thJeff @Grant_M good point, but I didn't really expect to boost it to a massive audience or make **the** defining factor be **my** boost. I expected to reach *other* people and eventually it will reach more people and more peopleThe power of connections basically.
(DIR) Post #AYRUe1M1e07uFN0vOy by 11thJeff@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T04:12:25Z
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@feinzer @Grant_M And wouldn't it be a better world is a million people saw this, and said "oh yeah, posting on Twitter is bad; I should do less of that".I believe that would be better.
(DIR) Post #AYRUzC2b6fkPTL1RuS by 11thJeff@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T04:16:00Z
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@feinzer @Grant_M And it goes so far. We're talking now. But only so far.
(DIR) Post #AYRUzCfEn0ejPB6J8a by feinzer@akko.airis.dev
2023-08-06T04:18:34.633616Z
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@11thJeff @Grant_M well, on my experience people boost quite often here because the way the chronological timeline + the federation, encourage them to do so. This however, make the platform less friendly to lurkers.I was basically a lurker in every other social media except here :)
(DIR) Post #AYRVMeWfMlk0TeGzdw by 11thJeff@mastodon.social
2023-08-06T04:17:46Z
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@feinzer @Grant_M I'm reposting it now. And a few more people will see it. But is that enough? Is that the best we can do? The Billionaires do a lot more to amplify their chosen messages
(DIR) Post #AYRVMf9J36eKPULqs4 by feinzer@akko.airis.dev
2023-08-06T04:22:49.721190Z
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@11thJeff @Grant_M as I said, it's not perfect. But it's healthier. And I believe that people must eventually realize this or be doomed because every algorithm will be exploitable, it's just a matter of time.So it's either keep fighting for something better or overthrow the "bad guys" by become ones ourselves.