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(DIR) Post #AYPFwNd9fmn6v4P1RQ by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T02:20:36Z
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#cannabis grow status againJust a few days later, the plant is looking a lot healthier and growth is really taking off.First pic was yesterday, second pic was this morning. Third pic is after supercropping the apical node this morning, and forth pic was a few minutes ago when I trained the whole plant down. To further encourage growth on the lower nodes.I may top it again in over the weekend to reduce height and try to train more lower branches out.This is my first grow, still learning!
(DIR) Post #AYPGZyKb9dfK2RbMrA by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T02:27:46Z
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@anornymorse I actually don't think I'm going to use a net. I mean, I might if it makes sense, but I may just train the branches away from one another using sticks as braces between stems and then use wire tie to keep them from overextending.I've never used a net, but I've trained branches similar ways for fig trees. The only difference for cannabis AFAICT is that cannabis is far more vigorous, so it may not work. We'll see.
(DIR) Post #AYPGuy8D5nNjV3orJI by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T02:31:34Z
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Oh also, neem oil sprayed onto the soil seems to have killed off the fungus gnats. I'm sure I'm going to battle them for a few more weeks, but I think I can stay on top of it and keep them under control.
(DIR) Post #AYPIIt6dWoKion3Jvk by carolen@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T02:47:05Z
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@eriner I have basil and mint growing on a window sill, both have fungus gnats I am fighting... may have to try neem oil 🙂
(DIR) Post #AYPIVthMdYcgQ6R24u by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T02:49:26Z
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@carolen just make sure that you only spray it on the soil.If you don't plan to feed the soil into a worm bin or anything, I would actually suggest sprinkling a thin layer of food-grade DE over the surface of the dry soil. It won't work once it's wet, but the highly-porous and sharp surface area of the DE will kill most insects.If this plant were in flower or if I was planning on consuming the vegetation, I wouldn't spray anything, especially the foliage/bud sites.
(DIR) Post #AYPIepgouXMgaqRQ92 by carolen@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T02:51:03Z
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@eriner great, thanks for the tips !
(DIR) Post #AYPPuyD1hdZXKQ9Cwi by Angryknife@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T04:12:24Z
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@eriner Lookin good!! Unless youre trying to get record crops. You wont need nets or cages. Though a nice bamboo stick to tie it to when the flowers start to get heavy always help! If you ever wanna get crazy you should look into C02 mushroom bags :)
(DIR) Post #AYPQXxusizn7iMFrMm by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T04:19:27Z
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@Angryknife I'm sure that increasing co2 helps, however unless I'm able to generate it as a byproduct I'm not willing to spend money on it.Maybe once I start brewing beer I may put fermentation buckets inside. My grow area temps are rather low (~68F) which is suitable for fermentation. And in fact, that would hopefully raise the temp inside the tent which would be better for the cannabis and fine for the beer.
(DIR) Post #AYPR7rLOdc3Zkulx6O by Angryknife@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T04:25:56Z
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@eriner Sounds like a solid plan to me! Im a little lazier and in a warmer climate. So keeping things cooler was more of an issue for me.
(DIR) Post #AYPRLIrncXvisdL5l2 by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T04:28:22Z
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@Angryknife ah, yeah I assume the CO2 off-gassing and buildup causes a measurable temp increase.This may actually become a necessary strategy for me during winter time, as my temps will get down to approximately 56F.
(DIR) Post #AYPRtQ4LLhez40TTRg by Angryknife@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T04:34:32Z
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@eriner Oof! Though a baby space heater will work - if other measures dont.
(DIR) Post #AYPVnZoAcrmNLeNYhc by Stevey666@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T05:18:18Z
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@eriner you can twist and pull them around just almost til breaking
(DIR) Post #AYPaejsMKDhnjjwYYS by SirVo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T06:12:44Z
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@eriner IME fungus gnats can only be controlled by limiting their food sources (covering exposed soil with a thick layer of inert medium) and going overkill with physical traps (sticky pads near light sources). Ideally, you only grow during conditions where they're unlikely to take root - dry winters.I've never tried Neem though, wouldn't want it on anything I was going to eat/smoke. But glad you've had success with it!
(DIR) Post #AYPatOw0Sxjd8HdnwO by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T06:15:22Z
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@SirVo yeah plant is in veg and will be for awhile so I'm not worried about it. Also only spraying it on soil, not on foliage.Keeping the soil dry and adding a layer of sand or DE to the top would be ideal, as it would interrupt the lifecycle and prevent laying more eggs (as they can't reach the subsoil).Neem oil on soil seems to be working well for now, and I've only sprayed once. Will follow up as necessary, and hopefully it isn't.I'll probably also bottom-feed only from now on this grow
(DIR) Post #AYPbItyUCI7Ydnxbns by SirVo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T06:19:59Z
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@anornymorse @eriner Best way to grow cannabis IMO (especially when limited by plant count) is "mainlining" - a combination of supercropping and bondage training to keep the canopy even so all the colas grow at the same rate. Punish the overachiever branches with physical torture, to keep them in check, like socialism but for cannabis!https://www.rollitup.org/t/the-main-lining-thread.542308/Only works really well from seed tho, because each node will branch x2 instead of the sort of "inline" branching you get with clones
(DIR) Post #AYPbMkhkbXkB36y7Oq by SirVo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T06:20:40Z
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@eriner Topdressing with perlite, hydroton, or even river pebbles will help too.
(DIR) Post #AYPbS4K55ktHLGQsK0 by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T06:21:39Z
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@SirVo ah, that's smart. I might topdress with perllite. I have 24 cubic feet of it in my garage, heh.
(DIR) Post #AYPbdyZAJxSmxlALIG by SirVo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T06:23:47Z
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@eriner Just make sure to rinse it really well first - drill a bunch of tiny (1/8"?) holes in a bucket to make a strainer. I've read that the roots don't like the fine dust. Never done any A/B tests to confirm this, but intuitively it made sense at the time.
(DIR) Post #AYPbhHM8utr06jeKxM by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T06:24:23Z
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@SirVo @anornymorse interesting about clones, I didn't know they grew any differently. I'm growing from seed and this is my first grow so I'm not looking to go crazy, mostly this is experimentation; I've already written this grow off as if I won't get a harvest.In the future, with a smarter grow strategy I see no reason I couldn't get 8-16 apical stem growths with a relatively even canopy if I chop it up enough and train & split each out.
(DIR) Post #AYPdafIZhVSaFFxFpo by SirVo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T06:45:36Z
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@eriner @anornymorse Clones will tend to grow straight up, putting out side branches along the way. It's kinda hard to describe and I can't find any good infographics, so mspaint to the rescue
(DIR) Post #AYPdgyuLht08nddRUu by SirVo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T06:46:45Z
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@eriner @anornymorse sorry, s/scrog/sog "sea of green" rather than "screen of green" - mainlining can lend itself to scrog as well, whereas sog focuses on lots of individual plants with single colas
(DIR) Post #AYPdyVrmQ9p3wRnEuG by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T06:49:55Z
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@SirVo @anornymorse ah, okay so clones tend to grow like poison ivy with asymmetrical branching, whereas from seed they grow like Virginia creeper (symmetrical branching growth). Interesting.At the current stage of my plant's growth, do you think it's worth a (few, progressive) toppings to attempt a manifold/mainline growth habit? If so, do you think a progressive one-node-per-three-day topping is better, or being hyper aggressive and cutting down to the first or second node?
(DIR) Post #AYPekhTIZnenpnJsaO by SirVo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T06:58:38Z
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@eriner @anornymorse You can always supercrop and train the fastest branches to create an even canopy, it's just that growth from seed will require a lot less attention to achieve the same result.Clones can be trained in a spiral or menorah style shape, but it takes more time. Probably only feasible with photoperiod strains, so you can keep them in veg state as long as you want.Since it's your first grow, I'd stick with only topping once or twice and see where it lands you
(DIR) Post #AYPg3tJ4tib1zrFnY8 by SirVo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T07:13:18Z
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@eriner If you've got the spacetime to play around, definitely take clones from your toppings, as long as the cuttings have long enough nodes to root properly. You can make a super simple cloner from a 4L ice cream pail and an air pump + airstone. You don't even need netpots, necessarily - just cut small holes for the cuttings to sit in, with thin slits to the rim of the lid so you can get the cuttings out without damaging the roots.Use dechlorinated water, filtered if your tap is hard.
(DIR) Post #AYPgyn1KwSgH0U5Rho by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T07:23:35Z
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@SirVo I've rooted lots of fig cuttings for clones, but never cannabis. Figs are notoriously easy to clone; setting them in stagnant, unoxygenated water will result in vigorous root growth within two weeks.It sounds like cannabis is a bit harder to root. Do most growers use rooting hormone powder/gel? I don't think I ever want to do hydroponic grows, so I'd probably root it in coco coir either way.
(DIR) Post #AYPhcBgDC2N2mPzZS4 by SirVo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T07:30:42Z
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@eriner I've never really used the cloning gel, just "SuperThrive" which a lot of people called snake oil anyway.Plain aerated water works great IME, but it won't keep them going as long as a mild nutrient solution would.You can also use 1/4 to 1/2 strength Lucas Formula (General Hydroponics) or Masterblend Tomato/Calcium Nitrate/Epsom saltGrowing in coco or rockwool is essentially hydroponics. There's nothing saying you can't switch from hydro/soilless to soil once they've rooted, though.
(DIR) Post #AYPhzcDOhZfXjogZlY by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T07:34:56Z
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@SirVo Ok, so I can basically treat them like most softwood cuttings it sounds. I don't have a air pump/stone, but it sounds like I can achieve a similar effect with a moist coco+perlite medium in a small (1 gal) cloth bag, so long as I keep it consistently moist as not to dry out the cutting.Thanks for all your input, I really appreciate learning from your experience.
(DIR) Post #AYPiCpJ3L9pQ6Wd9mq by SirVo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T07:37:19Z
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@eriner Oh yeah, you can definitely clone directly to non-hydro media, it just tends to be slower, and you can't visually see the root progress.Glad I can help! Disclaimer, it's been years since I've done any of this, most of my recent focus has been more... fungi related
(DIR) Post #AYPiSMxmUFbYpi5mT2 by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T07:40:04Z
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@SirVo heh well I'll come back to you on that when I have time to inoculate some grow medium.I grew some fungus amungs back when I was like 16 with a strategy, don't remember what it was called, "caketek" or something bizarre like that?I have a cheap transparent rack-style greenhouse that I plan to use to grow culinary mushrooms at some point, but I haven't gotten around to it. Way too many things on the list right now, will probably revisit in Winter.
(DIR) Post #AYPjBoTP3HiBBXYJM0 by SirVo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T07:48:21Z
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@eriner Sounds like PF Tek, named after its progenitor, Psilocybe Fanaticus. An archive http://en.psilosophy.info/psilocybe_fanaticus_tek.htmlStill considered foolproof, and remains a mainstay recommendation for first timers!Lots of grow kits available for the culinary/medicinal species, but as far as I've seen, documentation seems lacking. Trade secret mentality? I think you'd want to browse research papers for the meat of it.Stamets' "The Mushroom Cultivator" could be a good starting point. http://libgen.rs/search.php?req=stamets+cultivator
(DIR) Post #AYPnmAovqIN0jfDRZI by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T08:39:44Z
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@SirVo ah, yeah that was it. I plan to use a 5 gal bucket, as shown in this video by North Spore, which is who I plan to eventually purchase spore spawn kits from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZMzKotFrkE
(DIR) Post #AYQ36wYpYNMPu52wVM by harvhat@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T11:31:34Z
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@eriner @SirVo @anornymorse Since the cutting (clone) was most likely a branch and branches don't grow with symmetrical branching. If you clone the main trunk from a topping you can keep the symmetry going.
(DIR) Post #AYQ3aaIksSbpYTf3cu by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T11:36:55Z
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@harvhat @SirVo @anornymorse Something something plant hormones.This makes a lot of sense to me despite my lack of experience.As of right now I plan to abuse and top my plant, so I'll have my own little experiment in this regard. It makes intuitive sense though, branches don't have the same prerogative/hormones as the main stem in regards to even/symmetrical branching.Most places selling/producing cuttings are aiming for throughput, so cloning from non-mainstem branches is the norm.
(DIR) Post #AYQ4Y8kkQmirUR9Xpw by harvhat@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T11:47:41Z
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@eriner @SirVo @anornymorse The low branches root faster as they have more root hormones. I've had no failures yet cloning 2 batches (dozen plants or so). Went faster second time when I had a heat mat. Just used the hormone stuff they sold at lowes (a powder one), rapid rooters and a humidity dome.