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(DIR) Post #AYNowjTzXFC0lx6Gbg by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T09:43:26Z
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Be it Fentanyl, Tranq, Heroin, or any other drug, legalize them all. Let people kill themselves.There's no obligation to "save" these people; they have agency just like you. If they chose to give that up to drugs, not your problem, not my problem.The desire for change must come from within, and if it never manifests there is no hope for them regardless of what you do.One may say "they've been captured by the drugs", and I'd say the same about LGBTQ; they dig their own graves, let them lie.
(DIR) Post #AYNpDLweIk7kh6QhH6 by gryphon@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T09:46:26Z
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@eriner the thing about that is you have to get EMTs to not administer care to ODs, and the ones I've met, despite fighting Js after administering narcan, will keep doing it for some reason.
(DIR) Post #AYNpSVmC1yI9WslcTw by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T09:49:10Z
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@gryphon Well, the first step is ending the government funding of Narcan. I know teachers who have it and were given it by the school system (government).It's sick, and it's not solving the problem, merely extending the suffering of those with weak constitution.EMTs and doctors may have a moral/ethical obligation to do what they do, but the voters, and by extension the government, do not.
(DIR) Post #AYNpyeBwHKUuta8JAe by gryphon@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T09:54:59Z
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@eriner I don't think it shouldn't be on hand, but I don't think we should waste it on street people. We had a case in San Antonio I think where 3 teenage girls ODed and they arrested the guy who sold them pills. I don't think it's a terrible idea to have narcan in public schools just from my own experience. But pointless medical spending, gotta go.
(DIR) Post #AYNqDQx5miUGB5EtqC by GluedToTheScreen@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T09:57:39Z
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Harsh and sad... @eriner ... but probably the only sane way to handle the situation.If we look to NATURE for what is "sustainable", it's clear "weakness" is not. The only real obligation of most creatures is simply to WARN others of their ilk.. little more.
(DIR) Post #AYNuKuwl404R32uISm by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-08-04T10:43:48Z
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@eriner does this go for adult family members too? no second chances? what are you saying about LGBTQ?
(DIR) Post #AYNuZpq0LBHrXxrSrI by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T10:46:31Z
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@wjmaggos How many chances is a "second chance"? Have they hit rock-bottom? Do they have a genuine desire to change? Are they just going to take advantage of you to steal your shit and then go get their fix in a crack house?My point about LGBTQ is that if they're adults, even if it's peer-pressure/social contagion, as in they make the choice themselves, what they do to themselves is their choice; power to them for better or worse. Nobody controls you but you.
(DIR) Post #AYNvy6wKVVd3UYxXqS by SirVo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T11:02:06Z
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@eriner I might live within a socio-medical police state, but I still agree a "hunnit puhcent" Those who truly want to wean will willingly attend their daily methadone dole queues. Those who don't will be subject to fentanyl lacing, which in itself is a byproduct of supply/demand imbalance created by the war on drugs.Change comes from within.
(DIR) Post #AYNyAtN8Sjjr5Migwi by FortyTwo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T11:26:50Z
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@eriner I'm okay with this as long as you have to pass a drug test to receive welfare.No gov't housing, no EBT, nothing.
(DIR) Post #AYNyX78ZxqsW9GVWZU by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T11:30:51Z
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@FortyTwo That's just a half measure. The real solution is to end all government welfare programs and abolish the IRS, increasing corporate taxes for distributions over N dollars and establishing a new government agency to audit corporate tax records. Also remove tax-free status of all entities, including churches and non-profits. Just tax distributions and pierce the veil for shitlords who abuse the corporate entity.hey look, I saved the domestic economy in under 500 characters.
(DIR) Post #AYNymP7HOv7kFlBsA4 by FortyTwo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T11:33:37Z
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@eriner corporations don't pay taxes, they collect taxes.All those corporate taxes are passed along to the consumer in higher prices.Taxing corporations may feel good but it doesn't accomplish what it sets out to do.
(DIR) Post #AYNytDEHzjTZPhiQfw by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T11:34:50Z
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@FortyTwo I didn't say tax corporations, I said tax corporate distributions.
(DIR) Post #AYNzYA8kNyfjhleM2S by FortyTwo@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T11:42:14Z
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@eriner ah, fair point
(DIR) Post #AYO0ZIfiFafiPRAwoy by chonky@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T11:53:39Z
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@FortyTwo @eriner But why tax distributions? My understanding is that is how business owners pay themselves.
(DIR) Post #AYO11zOB1ShB0DeYyW by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T11:58:50Z
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@chonky @FortyTwo because workers don't profit from long-term business growth -- those who own equity do. And if they can't play bullshit games with the corporate entity and are forced to take distributions to have income and control of personal assets (and are taxed on those distributions), we wouldn't have the wealth inequality in America that we do today.This would also require that regulators actually implement anti-trust and anti-monopoly laws and regulations, however.
(DIR) Post #AYO1q60Ai6cPzVJlQ0 by chonky@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T12:07:53Z
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@eriner @FortyTwo If you are proposing to abolish the IRS at the same then, it seems you are suggesting to tax only high income business owners. Not saying this is worse than things now are, but also sounds punitive, and there might not be many who would actually have to pay (which would also not be bad).The solution might be to never take distributions, but have the company buy literally everything. Overall I super duper agree, just not understanding the thinking.
(DIR) Post #AYO26Jpf3ZxVWE8Zhg by lesmiserob@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T12:10:49Z
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@eriner Let them eat Tranq!
(DIR) Post #AYO2FN2qTuqE5ZcWdk by Monadwill@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T12:12:27Z
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@eriner out of curiosity, do you have a wife and kids?
(DIR) Post #AYO2l0Hsd33km4jipU by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T12:18:10Z
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@chonky @FortyTwo > establishing a new government agency to audit corporate tax records> tax distributions and pierce the veil for shitlords who abuse the corporate entity> if they can't play bullshit games with the corporate entity and are forced to take distributions ... we wouldn't have the wealth inequality in America that we do today.
(DIR) Post #AYO2nXQ8PZwu78o1zc by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T12:18:38Z
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@Monadwill I do.
(DIR) Post #AYO3fVssL94czDzEKe by chonky@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T12:28:24Z
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@eriner @FortyTwoIn general, I recoil from the idea that taxation will solve any of our problems, but also understand of could be very effective. Thanks for indulging me!
(DIR) Post #AYO6VHVdELsjN0vY7k by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-08-04T13:00:03Z
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@eriner people can use anything regularly but we only call it addiction when it's recognized as causing problems in their life, and sometimes that requires hitting rock bottom. in general, addiction is now seen as stemming more from life circumstance than chemical reactions. they're trying to self treat depression etc. people without that psychology can use most drugs on and off. so kicking is really about improving their life, which requires other people. imo experienced people are essential.
(DIR) Post #AYO6sUG7zbVbZdjzF2 by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T13:04:21Z
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@wjmaggos I don't disagree with this. I just don't think the "other people" is the government.
(DIR) Post #AYO7X2uoYppSdq6ygq by wjmaggos@liberal.city
2023-08-04T13:11:36Z
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@eriner I think most LGBTQ people are not choosing anything, but I'll admit some identify as that now for social benefit. as with addiction, I think they are trying to fix a hole in their heart, basically. find community and purpose."[H]ere's something else that's weird but true: in the day-to day trenches of adult life, there is actually no such thing as atheism. There is no such thing as not worshipping. Everybody worships. The only choice we get is what to worship." -David Foster Wallace
(DIR) Post #AYO82LdD1c3RfJnpE8 by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T13:17:18Z
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@wjmaggos You're right, I should have only said "social contagion QT -LGB", but I don't think that would have been understood. People are free to do whatever they want, but with that freedom comes consequence.
(DIR) Post #AYOAQR9wK8QRfUj6O0 by ReadyKilowatt@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T13:44:05Z
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@eriner You've been reading Ayn Rand haven't you. š Serously though, we all know prohibition isn't a deterrent. Government intervention cannot solve this. It really requires a higher power (religion) and a belief that there's more to life than chemicals and electrical fields.Science, as it is practiced today dismisses that which cannot be explained in the physical realm. That's fine but society ignoring the trancendental and treating all faiths equally there's an obvious spiritual void.
(DIR) Post #AYOB4v4OXJO819R7Dc by ReadyKilowatt@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T13:51:25Z
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@eriner To clarify, I believe the state should treat all faiths equally, including distasteful religions like Scientology. However the state is not society at large, and society is not individual discrimination. If I don't wish to believe what Scientologists believe that's my prerogative. And the state has no business dictating faith.But if a largely Christian nation founded on Christian principles builds a government based on Christian beliefs, that's OK as long as people can leave.
(DIR) Post #AYOC67taR6LO2VWJxw by SirA_KUPM@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T13:55:43Z
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@ReadyKilowatt I'd argue that every government should be based on "Christian" principles because those principles are the ones built into the fabric of reality by the Creator. Therefore, to oppose those is to fight against reality itself.
(DIR) Post #AYOC68apqIwGCdkrNQ by ReadyKilowatt@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T14:02:50Z
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@SirA_KUPM Perhaps. But there are several billion people who would say the same thing about their principles too, and most of those principles overlap with Christianity.A lot of the differences boil down to procedure and interpretation.But again, physical separation with open lines of communcation and trade seems to keep everything on an even keel, as long as people believe in something of an afterlife and final judgement. And once you dehumanize others that's the highway to hell.
(DIR) Post #AYODLp1cSnwk6LKFkm by greyknight33@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T14:16:53Z
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@eriner fantastic thread thank you sir! nice to know there are ppl with brains in the world still :)mind if i drop "wealth tax" right here... teehee
(DIR) Post #AYODXi0iMy8RoxZRAG by dcc@annihilation.social
2023-08-04T14:18:55.530253Z
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@eriner >Let people kill themselvesTrue :beating:
(DIR) Post #AYODfRmSazwNnkapaS by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T14:20:26Z
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@greyknight33 IMO wealth tax isn't the answer because it introduces more problems than it solves. Imagine arguing with some shithead appraiser who the government forces into your home to evaluate your assets. No thanks.I prefer eliminating income tax and instead taxing corporate distributions and auditing corporate records to ensure they are arms-length and not a proxy for individual assets: https://noagendasocial.com/@eriner/110831118004281639
(DIR) Post #AYOED11eZnaUfUhqgS by greyknight33@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T14:26:30Z
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@eriner figured i'd throw one of those in there to see what it can spark. i've got my beliefs but no elite would allow me to implement so meh.
(DIR) Post #AYOF3h43WS6q6iwsrY by SirA_KUPM@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T14:18:52Z
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@ReadyKilowatt the fact that those principles overlap bears witness to them being true.I'm not arguing that we shouldn't have nations - we should. (And they should probably be smaller.)We should also honor the humanity of others because in it we honor the image of God that they bear.However, we shouldn't pretend that all belief systems are equal. They're not.
(DIR) Post #AYOF3hiT6CR483r9qy by ReadyKilowatt@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T14:36:01Z
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@SirA_KUPM Again, by "we" do you mean governements/law, society at large, or individuals?Can you (I mean you personally) exchange goods and services with people who don't share your beliefs? Assuming they've proven to act in good faith and for mutual benefit. Does their belief system enter into your decision?And should individuals have the right to associate with whomever they wish for whatever reason they wish?Those two questions seem to be fundemental to a nation-state.
(DIR) Post #AYOFBDl4MlPBX4eobY by ReadyKilowatt@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T14:37:22Z
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@SirA_KUPM Again, by "we" do you mean governements/law, society at large, or individuals?Can you (I mean you personally) exchange goods and services with people who don't share your beliefs? Assuming they've proven to act in good faith and for mutual benefit. Does their belief system enter into your decision?And should individuals have the right to associate with whomever they wish for whatever reason they wish?
(DIR) Post #AYOKSN1LgHEMxBGiSu by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T15:36:30Z
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@eriner Let natural selection work.
(DIR) Post #AYOKdvsGR8zcEdX5Lk by SirA_KUPM@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T14:48:41Z
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@ReadyKilowatt "Everyone" should have nations and honor the humanity of others. "Those who know the Truth" shouldn't validate lies.Can I do business with people who don't share my beliefs? Yeah. Does their belief system enter into that decision? Also yes. I left a job over that, even though I'm sure they thought they were acting for mutual benefit.I'm not sure what association has to do with it (is this about "bloodlines"?). If that association is lawful (moral), then it should be legal.
(DIR) Post #AYOKdwlD8qwez3Exzk by ReadyKilowatt@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-04T15:38:35Z
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@SirA_KUPM the nation-state is centered around freedom of association and limited interaction with others who you donāt know. Thereās a tribal instinct in humans that should not be ignored, but thereās also a sense that killing others who are not the same as your tribe is wrong. Indeed there are several stories in the Old Testament where God calls on prophets to doomed cities to warn them. They read like āGodās a jerk for destroying themā but Iām realizing that they did it to themselves.
(DIR) Post #AYQBdDHxh67ugU3Ry4 by k0nd0r@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T13:07:02Z
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@eriner The problem here is similar to the vax -- there's no informed consent. Tranq isn't a drug anyone chooses to use; it is a toxic adulterant. Framing it as a moral failing of the user is too simplistic. This is a form of chemical warfare.
(DIR) Post #AYQBjeEuP9lO0Yh96W by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T13:08:12Z
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@k0nd0r have you ever purchased drugs from a street dealer?
(DIR) Post #AYQBuCyw5XAyehG8e0 by k0nd0r@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T13:10:06Z
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@eriner I dont even drink coffee.
(DIR) Post #AYQCCeJLDZeIcyb4dc by eriner@noagendasocial.com
2023-08-05T13:13:26Z
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@k0nd0r exactly, so you have no frame of reference. You canāt say āTranq isnāt a drug anyone chooses to useā. You have zero frame of reference or worldly experience. Youāre out of your element, Donny.