Post AYKpYVo7TCe36VHcSu by killyourfm@layer8.space
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(DIR) Post #AYI4SfhqfY7HuC8wzI by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-08-01T15:08:42Z
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The (tragically under-watched) show "Halt and Catch Fire" did a terrific job of conveying that sense of wonder people felt about video games from the mid-80s to the mid-90s. From text adventures to the single-dev games at Atari, from Mario Bros to DOOM. Why don't I feel that anymore? Last night, as I was playing the newest Ratchet & Clank, seeing the world's rich detail and astounding graphics, I wondered: Is it because our imaginations did most of the work back then?#Gaming
(DIR) Post #AYI4wdQ1jpqtUy5xAG by mauriciobc@ursal.zone
2023-08-01T15:14:09Z
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@killyourfm Yeah, totally underrated show. Excellent cast, great and accurate writing and all around 80's-90's vibe without being over the top.About the feelings, I guess imagination is important, but it all felt fresh and inventive, and it's getting harder and harder as the craft evolves.
(DIR) Post #AYI4z2ZPCIt45Cd2y8 by ezahn@mastodon.uno
2023-08-01T15:14:37Z
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@killyourfm It's a topic I ponder on almost daily. And not only about videogames: in a way, easy, quality and cheap streaming is doing the same to the mind a visceral classical and jazz music collector like me. Quality and abundance makes us satiated, less driven, even when the work in question is of unquestionable quality. We need to add something on our own, the work needs to leave some void for us to fill. The Minds They Are a-Changin'!
(DIR) Post #AYI54oPsjVzDvKvUpM by Evol@toot.community
2023-08-01T15:15:41Z
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@killyourfm much of it is youth yes but games in the 90s and 2000s were going through a very rapid change in culture and technology. Consider that in 10 years we went from Doom to HL2. And in 5 we went from Mario to Quake. It's hard to be excited around that time with all the optimism and change. Then around 2007 we stagnated. There's a part of us that never left the 360/PS3 era.
(DIR) Post #AYI6Af5oPYeshMtN7g by the_broly_arms@mas.to
2023-08-01T15:27:54Z
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@killyourfm I think you nailed it, honestly.I think we're so overwhelmed by the sights and sounds--and the music, oh how the music can make an entire game--that our imaginations almost... turn off--almost as if to say, "I see we're not needed here. Holy cow."BUT, that being said, I feel that old feeling when I play smaller, indie titles a lot.Just over the weekend I played Mega City Police and I felt like a kid again, astounded by every pixel and synthwave beat.
(DIR) Post #AYI6cwBQSjkboQ06ka by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-08-01T15:32:57Z
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@ahoneybunn Oh yea, it's a freaking blast. I used it as an example just because of its incredible presentation. (not to disparage it)
(DIR) Post #AYI6wYXS5BtaGreruC by Ertain@mast.linuxgamecast.com
2023-08-01T15:36:32Z
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@killyourfm Wondering about imagination? Maybe it was partially due to imagination. Also remember that we were different ages at the time, and so that may have affected our perception and enjoyment of this medium.
(DIR) Post #AYI70peMP9scV1vcxs by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-08-01T15:37:20Z
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@Evol The rate of progress and then the stagnation...that's a really interesting observation. For the most part, the IDEAS have stagnated while the technical and graphical side has accelerated. But we need the "newness" of discovery, meaning we need those fresh ideas. Really great comment.
(DIR) Post #AYI7A4bgAJCZUe54q0 by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-08-01T15:39:03Z
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@mauriciobc I hear you. Someone else pointed out that there was so much wonder and discovery and new ideas pouring out, and then it kind of stagnated in the mid 2000s. The great new ideas (mostly) stopped, while the technical side accelerated at a way faster pace than anything else.
(DIR) Post #AYI7Sw5Y3mh4Zo2wC0 by gortbrown@fosstodon.org
2023-08-01T15:42:19Z
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@killyourfm Never thought about this before (granted, I wasn't around in the 90s to experience video games of the time) but it is kind of interesting.Also, Halt and Catch Gire is a great show! I kinda stopped watching it after getting busy with school and never got back around to it, but I should pick it back up!
(DIR) Post #AYI7cBaXnixDFrxHYe by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-08-01T15:44:00Z
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@ezahn "Quality and abundance makes us satiated, less driven, even when the work in question is of unquestionable quality." This is poignant. And yes, I definitely feel that -- as someone who adores music and collects vinyl.
(DIR) Post #AYI7kDkLf2hQGUN8ym by GnomeBrunold@mstdn.social
2023-08-01T15:45:32Z
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@killyourfm A couple of major changes happened inbetween now and then. First is that many games went on and became more and more of a collaborative project in the same way tv series, films, and comics are. Anti-capitalist as well as anti-egalitarian circles lean towards seeing that negatively. But I think there was merit to embracing film as a democratic form of art.Second, the internet. We're subject to much more criticism as well as information.
(DIR) Post #AYI7oKz2hCyBruCymm by ReverseModule@mstdn.games
2023-08-01T15:46:18Z
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@killyourfm I think it's that sense of wonder about a new medium. It's like we were all children and discovered infinite new worlds we could actually interact with. Now, with the advent of AI and BCIs I think we're gonna go to the ultimate, where you think things and they just manifest themselves in your mind. I cannot wait! :)Perhaps computers will make their own games soon and we will just sit down and enjoy them for a week, then on to the next masterpiece! :)
(DIR) Post #AYI7r4HfF1HYwbDjm4 by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-08-01T15:46:50Z
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@gortbrown Definitely find time to pick it back up, especially if you didn't see Seasons 3 and 4.
(DIR) Post #AYI8EKMTdBwXT6YwTY by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-08-01T15:50:57Z
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@ReverseModule You might be onto something here. You know, I did have a brief period last year, using Midjourney, where that sense of wonder came back with a vengeance. It was when I was trying to make a comic, and was largely succeeding using Midjourney to move the images in my head right to the screen. Plus, it was FUN.
(DIR) Post #AYI8S5x9zv7kptHma0 by ezahn@mastodon.uno
2023-08-01T15:53:32Z
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@killyourfm The good thought here is that maybe bigger, fuller, richer works or mediums can stimulate our minds to create bigger, voider, more barren plains to explore. But it requires training. And time.
(DIR) Post #AYI8xVjiBdplmHyY4G by jnv@fosstodon.org
2023-08-01T15:59:12Z
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@killyourfm love that tv show, I’ve seen it so many times. It was a different magical time in tech.
(DIR) Post #AYIBGYTOR3aLfzYFSS by nbisby@social.bisby.xyz
2023-08-01T16:25:02Z
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@killyourfm Early video games had to be sold on simply but catchy mechanics, since graphics were so limited.But also, those games still exist and can still be played. The fact that you don't play them anymore (or enjoy them the same way if you do) is because they aren't novel.Video games were like a jump scare for your brain. Exciting at first, but now you know it's coming, so it doesn't land the same way.New games aren't bad, but they definitely aren't revolutionary in the same way.
(DIR) Post #AYIEuOxJXXGLbXEr3o by shipp@mastodon.coffee
2023-08-01T17:05:43Z
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@killyourfm nostalgia wore off really. If you get used to modern games and go back to those, they're very hard to play
(DIR) Post #AYIFLFvRDq4lPsAMnQ by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-08-01T17:10:41Z
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@shipp I don't know. A few years ago I replayed games like Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars and the original Final Fantasy VII and had an absolute blast with them.
(DIR) Post #AYIFlf3sOCVCu5hiim by jynersolives@mastodon.social
2023-08-01T17:15:24Z
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@killyourfm I would probably stretch that a bit to the late 90s/early 00s, when 3d first and third person games became the norm (see Far Cry in 2004), with at times fantastic storytelling (see KOTOR in 2003). But yeah, there seems to be a general sense of "new game in town" every year in that time. And new in the sense of "I‘ve never had anything like that before“. From the mid-00s onwards, games seem to become more refined, better visuals, sounds, mechanics, but not exactly breaking new ground.
(DIR) Post #AYIJbvRN2OYkcgJ4D2 by ReverseModule@mstdn.games
2023-08-01T17:58:29Z
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@killyourfm Oh, yes. When I was in school for Graphics Programming I couldn't stop at the possibilities of graphics AI and story-telling AI. I was constantly designing blueprints of how these things could be achieved and combined, but alas, I was called too ambitious from my teachers. XDRight now I'm working as a programmer and designer for Digital Twins. Perhaps in the future I can find a way to dynamically make Robot Models just from camera images.
(DIR) Post #AYIJpD48onaJ3Fm9Oy by ReverseModule@mstdn.games
2023-08-01T18:00:31Z
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@killyourfm My point is that little by little and with a collaboration of fields these things might even by completely possible in our lifetimes which is mind-boggling at the very least.I think things that were thought to be cringe and weird, in the future might just be the best way to entertain yourself or even learn and discover new things! :)The possibilities are literally endless.
(DIR) Post #AYKFt1k4qlrPacsLFQ by ward@easymode.im
2023-08-02T12:57:14.515Z
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@killyourfm@layer8.space I think people are sick of hearing me go on and on about halt and catch fire... But all they have to do is watch it and I'll shut up. Everybody wins. It's so good.
(DIR) Post #AYKFt2JWiyDVMZSeVE by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-08-02T16:26:14Z
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@ward True story: I just binged the entire series in the last 2 weeks (for the first time), and after the series finale's credits rolled, I just started over at Season 1. It's just a perfect show.
(DIR) Post #AYKpYVMp6goJjqVov2 by jynersolives@mastodon.social
2023-08-01T17:17:09Z
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@killyourfm Not to say that there aren’t fantastic games in the past 20ish years, quite the contrary, but it seems the dramatic innovative leaps and pure novelty that was so strong from the early to mid-80s onwards is gone.
(DIR) Post #AYKpYVo7TCe36VHcSu by killyourfm@layer8.space
2023-08-02T23:05:56Z
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@jynersolives i feel like the original Mass Effect was one of the last games to feel truly groundbreaking.
(DIR) Post #AYLUCBf3mwaYN6WF7I by jynersolives@mastodon.social
2023-08-03T06:41:16Z
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@killyourfm ME feels like the conclusion to a bunch of developments in 3D action games, RPGs, and adventures. And for me it never gets old firing up old Shepard!