Post AYFvXRCmiu9eTXtL60 by nicklockwood@mastodon.social
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(DIR) Post #AYFvXRCmiu9eTXtL60 by nicklockwood@mastodon.social
2023-07-31T10:01:23Z
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With Google's latest move to lock down the web (Web Environment Integrity) I'm reminded once again of all the folks who've earnestly tried to assure me over the years that the greatest threat to the open web is actually Apple not allowing 3rd party browser engines on iOS.
(DIR) Post #AYFvXS8ZG4NLMkvUA4 by ian@mckellar.social
2023-07-31T14:19:31Z
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@nicklockwood @Migueldeicaza Have you heard of this thing called Firefox that's not based on WebKit (unlike Safari, Chrome, Edge, etc). It's also the only major browser from a company that's not pushing an advertising network.
(DIR) Post #AYFvXUgfmEqRH6tkbA by nicklockwood@mastodon.social
2023-07-31T10:14:50Z
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I genuinely believe that the fact that Webkit is the only engine Apple will allow on iOS is the only thing preventing a complete Chromium monoculture on the web right now.User choice isn't worth shit if web devs don't support any browser except Chrome, and if 95% of people are using it then that's all they will support.
(DIR) Post #AYFvXY5x6hqfqNkTuy by nicklockwood@mastodon.social
2023-07-31T10:28:19Z
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And to be clear, I'm not under any illusion that Apple's reasons for doing this are in any way noble. They're doing it because they don't want to be under Google's bootheel, and unlike most of us they are powerful enough to avoid that fate.Is it better to be under Apple's boot than Google's? Maybe not. But I still think two boots are better than one.
(DIR) Post #AYFx08AOgeKhmT1KXg by nicklockwood@mastodon.social
2023-07-31T14:35:52Z
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@ian @Migueldeicaza gosh, that sounds amazing! I wonder where they get their funding from?https://uk.pcmag.com/suites/128195/mozilla-signs-lucrative-3-year-google-search-deal-for-firefox
(DIR) Post #AYGDwpSBVIOM5xLrsm by ian@mckellar.social
2023-07-31T17:45:48Z
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@nicklockwood @Migueldeicaza Same place Safari does: https://medium.com/macoclock/safari-apples-hidden-gem-893696ce3dd0But Mozilla doesn't collect user data for advertising while Apple does: https://www.wired.com/story/apple-privacy-data-collection/If you care about privacy and choice (I do) then Apple is not your ally.
(DIR) Post #AYGEk2O6CgyUOnuBbE by nicklockwood@mastodon.social
2023-07-31T17:54:37Z
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@ian @Migueldeicaza to be clear, I think it's disgusting that Apple has started putting ads in their apps, but there's no mention of Safari in that article - I think you're conflating Apple's App Store search ad business with web-based trackers (which Safari mostly blocks).No corporation is the ally of any individual, but Apple's business model isn't primarily based on privacy violation, so I'll take them over Google. I don't have a problem with Mozilla but they're irrelevant.
(DIR) Post #AYGYIRGi6OAWXZZBei by ian@mckellar.social
2023-07-31T21:33:49Z
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@nicklockwood @Migueldeicaza I think you risk conflating Google's browser business with their ad business. I think Google risks that too - but Apple also risks conflating their browser and ad businesses.Apple's business model relies on its close relationship with the Chinese government, which is presumably why they give the Chinese government to their users iCloud keys.I tend to avoid companies that sell out their users to support genocide, usually.
(DIR) Post #AYGcUeMBfJUoQPCrVw by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
2023-07-31T22:20:43Z
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@ian @nicklockwood chrome is just a component of the ad business.
(DIR) Post #AYGjEa1Cj9AW10fzIO by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
2023-07-31T23:36:16Z
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@ian @nicklockwood I hear you on China, but that hasn’t stopped Google from doing business in Israel or having development labs there.
(DIR) Post #AYGo8ydKnP56OHeuoq by ian@mckellar.social
2023-08-01T00:31:21Z
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@Migueldeicaza @nicklockwood no more than Safari.
(DIR) Post #AYGokKbI5NZbEcVzAu by ian@mckellar.social
2023-08-01T00:38:08Z
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@Migueldeicaza @nicklockwood there's a big difference between having development labs somewhere (as Google & other do in China) and giving access to your users' data. I'm uncomfortable with all of these companies' engagement with countries that don't respect human rights. I've been involved in protest against my employer building data centers in Israel and Saudi Arabia.But Apple's approach to their users data in China is afaik unique among Western companies.
(DIR) Post #AYGot3ZCmmMF0ohSXA by Migueldeicaza@mastodon.social
2023-08-01T00:39:40Z
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@ian @nicklockwood seems like an arbitrary line to draw in the sand. Happy for you or sorry it happened.