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(DIR) Post #AYAbhdN5NJX2ELUjB2 by straphanger@urbanists.social
2023-07-28T15:52:49Z
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"In a quality city, a person should be able to live their entire life without a car, and not feel deprived."
(DIR) Post #AYAbhkGbjnVdcHW9YG by straphanger@urbanists.social
2023-07-28T15:55:10Z
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—Paul Bedford (photo: the bicycle wagon of a train in #Copenhagen's station.)
(DIR) Post #AYAbhqhlninlaGGviq by straphanger@urbanists.social
2023-07-28T15:55:10Z
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As Bedford points out, the opposite is also true:"A good sustainability and quality of life indicator: the average amount of time spent in a car."(Elevated time car-commuting time also turns out to be a reliable metric of social isolation and general life dissatisfaction.)
(DIR) Post #AYAbkvrH66tSR3BiYS by stux@mstdn.social
2023-07-29T00:44:14Z
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@straphanger Psst :blobcatwhistle: 🇳🇱 :blobcatgiggle:
(DIR) Post #AYAcvzsIbXMM22VV4a by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2023-07-29T00:57:34Z
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@straphanger I manage to do that quite well here in Southampton.
(DIR) Post #AYB749dvATdnGiaVLE by niclas@angrytoday.com
2023-07-29T06:35:12Z
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@straphanger With Internet, society should be able to deprecate the "city". We don't all need to be stacked on top of each other, in homes, in cars, in subways and so on.Doubt I will see it in my life time...
(DIR) Post #AYB7p7E3yLDTNmsyK8 by mnemonicoverload@libranet.de
2023-07-29T06:43:35Z
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To the extent that there are people who currently live in a city that don't really want to be there, sure. I think you might be underestimating how many people *want* to live somewhere vibrant and exciting with an abundance of choice of 3rd places to spend their time though.
(DIR) Post #AYBfGpLHLz24Vt5AYq by mansr@society.oftrolls.com
2023-07-29T12:58:26Z
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@mnemonicoverload @niclas @straphanger I live in a small (250k) city, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
(DIR) Post #AYDSCLYXFIcTt2jhDM by vriesk@hachyderm.io
2023-07-30T09:41:23Z
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@niclas @straphanger with due respect, cities are way more efficient resource-wise than spread-out farmside housing. All those things like water supply, electricity, sanitation, any kind of transport (of which commute is just one aspect of) just don't scale well with lower population densities for the populations we have.Of course this applies to well designed and well managed cities, so, um, not like most of USA.
(DIR) Post #AYDVJ9W2i1U2QzVUxc by jay_peper@chaos.social
2023-07-30T10:16:13Z
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@niclas @straphanger the thing is that cities are a lot more efficient at providing amenities, good transport and 3rd spaces.
(DIR) Post #AYDb5XoQB6v5SWzvW4 by niclas@angrytoday.com
2023-07-30T11:21:01Z
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@jay_peper Quite funny to hear you say "good transport", with such a photo at the top of the thread.Only a small handful of cities provide more than a handful of people with "good transport", or amenities for that matter. My current local village (~1500 households, but I used to live in massive cities before) is more than adequate, and provides a higher quality of life, with nature outside the window.@straphanger
(DIR) Post #AYZ5K7ssiGrh7NTi1g by Laust@ohai.social
2023-08-09T20:08:43Z
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@niclas @jay_peper @straphanger you just need to live in a civilized country instead of a place which has been commandeered by the car lobby :)And you might need thinking about "car infested hellholes" where most people here (I believe) mean "places to prioritize people over cars".You might also want to think about how well rural areas and suburbs can actually pay for their own infrastructure (it tends to be difficult).
(DIR) Post #AYaXqmjHNYmWwEJ9zE by Laust@ohai.social
2023-08-09T20:09:58Z
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@niclas @jay_peper @straphanger also, how is a train (which allows you to bring your bike) not good transportation?
(DIR) Post #AYaXqnaSBrJfb9Bcrw by niclas@angrytoday.com
2023-08-10T13:03:04Z
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@Laust Sorry, I didn't scroll to "top", but meant the "traffic jam" photo.Rural roads; Where I live (Sweden) many of the roads around me are private, i.e. we who need them "pay" for the upkeep. There is an association that does the maintenance of mainly gravel roads, by engaging members in the association to do the actual work (many of the members are farmers with the heavy machinery needed) cutting the cost to a fraction of what the State would have to pay.@jay_peper @straphanger
(DIR) Post #AYagPHb1vERK9KPV2m by Laust@ohai.social
2023-08-10T14:38:57Z
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@niclas @jay_peper @straphanger ah, that makes more sense then :) But the point (I think) was exactly to avoid designing cities for cars and to start designing them for humans instead. Which should mean an end to "car sewers" and a focus on walkable cities with public transit and enabling walking, cycling, and other forms of active transportation.