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(DIR) Post #AYA2rWaXx4Dfh4ltvk by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-07-28T18:11:26Z
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Random thought concerning personal AI ethics: it's rude to publish something that would take someone longer to read than it took you to write it
(DIR) Post #AYA3X0naXEtBGKedLE by respros@mastodon.cloud
2023-07-28T18:14:43Z
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@simon You can publish whatever you want, there is no expectation it will be read. If someone sent me a long email written by AI I would be incensed.
(DIR) Post #AYA3ip0gBwIoAuPQNE by mitch@posts.dumb.stuff.donaberger.xyz
2023-07-28T18:14:57Z
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@simon i see it as an arms' race. if someone is gonna generate a lot of content for me, then i don't really feel bad using the same tech to summarize and vet it.
(DIR) Post #AYA3uGZy1wnwrfN7JI by aka_quant_noir@hcommons.social
2023-07-28T18:15:54Z
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@simon Talking to AI is always like that. But there are a lot of slower readers, so be careful how you extend this thought.
(DIR) Post #AYA45kwbTRyAE3RFRY by mergesort@macaw.social
2023-07-28T18:16:30Z
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@simon Unless you also provide an AI generated summary. [taps forehead]
(DIR) Post #AYA4GZNintlPYBHMjQ by numist@xoxo.zone
2023-07-28T18:16:43Z
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@simon is this basically a subpart of Brandolini's law?
(DIR) Post #AYA4jFY9cIZ6RPpnqC by Divorytaur@mastodon.social
2023-07-28T18:18:37Z
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@simon Not taking into account dyslexic people? 😅
(DIR) Post #AYA4nUg3Jc9YW4YKAK by rw007@mastodon.social
2023-07-28T18:17:48Z
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@simon „please provide the prompt instead of GPT’ed obfuscation, so i can read itand come to my own conclusion“
(DIR) Post #AYA4yefyTrGUiDq27M by fabian@floss.social
2023-07-28T18:24:53Z
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@simon A bit similar as how I feel about the "developer centric" (DX over UX) mindset in our industry: It's rude if you trade gains in developer convenience with increased resource usage on the client side.
(DIR) Post #AYA5Ct2TsNKxJR9SeO by fedithom@social.saarland
2023-07-28T18:28:35Z
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@simon that's a pretty decent guiding pole
(DIR) Post #AYA5TinLDVYMSo66zo by mistersql@mastodon.social
2023-07-28T18:35:24Z
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@simon Is that so? Let me post a refuting link to a 300 page PDF that I didn't read either.
(DIR) Post #AYA5gI4HtgydKx193w by btskinn@fosstodon.org
2023-07-28T18:37:24Z
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@simon Completely agree. I'd even make it a multiplier. Read time >= 0.1 * write time is rude, say.There was already far more of a content firehose than anyone could possibly absorb *before* GenAI came on the scene.Now you have to waste additional time filtering meaningful items out of the ocean of AI-generated schlock.
(DIR) Post #AYA5zhnETcjKciIWdU by tolmasky@mastodon.social
2023-07-28T18:43:27Z
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@simon Nah, because they’ll just put it through their own AI to summarize it. That’s what AI actually solves: you give your AI an sloppy list of points you want to say, it wraps it up in a socially acceptable paragraph form, then that gets unwrapped back into an easily digestible list by an AI on the other end. “Paragraphs” just become a protocol format to prove you can afford an AI.
(DIR) Post #AYA6EWOB9vk9b8dzfs by ManniCalavera@openbiblio.social
2023-07-28T18:46:13Z
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@simon That ship has sailed with video content and speech messages.
(DIR) Post #AYA6UtPLLMlncfzkuG by andresmh@hci.social
2023-07-28T18:51:18Z
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@simon what if people include the prompt as the tldr? 😀
(DIR) Post #AYA76gPM7nwwJD1LiS by ocdtrekkie@mastodon.social
2023-07-28T18:59:01Z
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@simon This is why AI written email bugs me I think. Why should I have to read something you couldn't be bothered to actually write?
(DIR) Post #AYA7Mir2nQiOWvcUsK by midgard@framapiaf.org
2023-07-28T19:01:34Z
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@simon Why?
(DIR) Post #AYA8FSWVDWwHo4713w by nighthawk@aus.social
2023-07-28T19:11:20Z
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@simon At the very least, proofread what you generated with AI.
(DIR) Post #AYA8eto4un1XfFSots by JohnShirley2023@mastodon.cloud
2023-07-28T19:16:04Z
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@simon yes that's true. Rude is an understatement. The person publish AI junk is displaying a contempt for others.
(DIR) Post #AYA8tpLNn2HcAP9yjY by masukomi@connectified.com
2023-07-28T19:16:37Z
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@simon anything you write, will always take longer to read by someone with English as a second language. With regards to text the only question to ask is if the thing you're asking others to read is worth time and effort to consume. To help others make that decision _before_ reading i put an "average reading time" calculation at the top of each post. That's for average English reader but ESL people can extrapolate from that.
(DIR) Post #AYA9lWgPO28RvdbHBg by jonhendry@iosdev.space
2023-07-28T19:28:31Z
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@simon A self-modifying recursive paper?
(DIR) Post #AYAA0vGuFUBEX60tWa by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-07-28T19:31:13Z
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@masukomi ESL is such an interesting use-case for this stuff - I would hope that even the most ardent LLM skeptic would appreciate the enormous difference this kind of tech can make there
(DIR) Post #AYAE0jo7GxlUnFiMLY by nintegge@post.lurk.org
2023-07-28T20:16:15Z
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@simon good point 🤔 it should be an expression of algorithmic empathy
(DIR) Post #AYAGTfFDW3t4wqJNNg by MichaelPorter@ottawa.place
2023-07-28T20:43:44Z
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@simon Oh, good advice in general 😊
(DIR) Post #AYAGlU1FzQIBLXHKXA by fbobraga@ayom.media
2023-07-28T20:46:35Z
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@simon it normally occurs
(DIR) Post #AYAK6nMFaH73Gex5CS by joriki@infosec.exchange
2023-07-28T21:24:36Z
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@simoncan't wait until AI starts making padded out youtube videos (how to, clickbait news, etc) to farm the ad revenue
(DIR) Post #AYANu8LicvP8QJvBbs by simon@fedi.simonwillison.net
2023-07-28T22:07:08Z
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@joriki it's possible that's been happening to YouTube kids content for a few years now https://medium.com/@jamesbridle/something-is-wrong-on-the-internet-c39c471271d2
(DIR) Post #AYAU0RsJXj1oRaYuHo by jwwr@aus.social
2023-07-28T23:15:01Z
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@simon Are we allowed to apply this to French philosophy as well? #Anthropology
(DIR) Post #AYAwSGArRBHkymHqc4 by joriki@infosec.exchange
2023-07-29T04:34:20Z
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@simon yes! I completely forgot about acid trips for tots :ablobcatrainbow:
(DIR) Post #AYBFaO4tpihKwF5UES by HansZauner@ecoevo.social
2023-07-29T08:08:36Z
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@simon Well, the reader can use AI to boil the text down to one sentence before reading. 😅
(DIR) Post #AYBZ5XqpRg7HM54oT2 by Pontificator_OMF@alien.insurrection.tech
2023-07-29T11:46:40Z
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@simon so... If I self-host the AI, and it types really slowly, requiring lots of edits afterwards, that's ok?
(DIR) Post #AYBfCLsIyEGdxoOcRU by shadowsminder@dragonscave.space
2023-07-29T12:55:39Z
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@simon yes!However, I'm concerned by how few people replying understand this suggestion. Publications are time-intensive for people to write.The marketing blurb for a book? The average person reads it within seconds. Writing an appropriately appealing one takes hours.A news article? Minutes to read. Hours to write.An ESL reader won't take longer to go through a short story than the author did unless the reader is looking up most of the words in a dictionary or another reference. Even then, it's iffy. That's assuming the author wasn't building an original world, uncommon character, or new technique for days or weeks beforehand.A line of alt text for an online image generally requires thought and a few tries to be well written. Screen readers don't see that effort.The difference in time requirements for anything more serious than a casual chat text is huge. (As for casual chat... what good are the words of a digital robot?)That's partly why algorithm-generated writing is so dangerous to publishers. It pushes out human writers who can't or who refuse out of artistic/journalistic integrity to keep up with unrealistic demands.Expecting a publication to be written inhumanly fast is beyond rude. That dehumanizing of writers is destroying authors' will to publish anything of importance.
(DIR) Post #AYBoIWm2GEA75hU1TM by armurray@mastodon.social
2023-07-29T14:37:20Z
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@simon @RuthMalan yet the truth is, we have broken the sound barrier and there’s no going back, how will we ever know the difference again