Post AY6xtOBdfefzW26hVY by hagedose68@social.cologne
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(DIR) Post #AY6TcjcBkbzsQUfTXs by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-07-27T00:54:17Z
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What do you think of the way "hopefully" is used in the following sentence? Is it acceptable in formal Standard English?Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified.
(DIR) Post #AY6ULQ3FKnWgmYdCIC by ronsboy67@mas.to
2023-07-27T01:02:23Z
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@grammargirl I love the wording of of option B. Were I asked for my opinion *of those objections*, that would have called for option Dš
(DIR) Post #AY6V32TIMh24ONcBIu by WataruTenkawa@social.vivaldi.net
2023-07-27T01:10:15Z
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@grammargirl It's wrong for some definitions of wrong. Technically, it is a nonstandard use of an -ly adverb that has managed to creep into common use.
(DIR) Post #AY6Vs3oF9OBjJIk4ae by billyjoebowers@mastodon.online
2023-07-27T01:19:30Z
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@grammargirl This is one of those things I think is 100% fine and correct when spoken, or in casual use like social media, but if I saw it in an article or a book I would probably do a double take.
(DIR) Post #AY6WKaMPig2INGKKJM by overholt@glammr.us
2023-07-27T01:24:35Z
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@grammargirl I feel like this is one of a few pedant shibboleths you can use for carbon dating. I read the books that insisted on āin a hopeful mannerā but Iām young enough that seemed an impossibly old fashioned complaint, as Iām sure the battles I still want to fight (begging the question, uninterested vs. disinterested) seem to people younger than me.
(DIR) Post #AY6WficgCBQU540oXQ by 00BW@noc.social
2023-07-27T01:28:28Z
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@grammargirl I follow Merriam-Webster, and they give a clear paragraph on why disjuncts are standard English.https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hopefully
(DIR) Post #AY6XBwnl0zSpK0YsCG by ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org
2023-07-27T01:34:17Z
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@grammargirl Hopefully, someone will explain the correct answer here. (Signed, frequent receiver of tickets from the Grammar Police).
(DIR) Post #AY6XKp595MAnzCvWeu by Beachbum@mastodon.sdf.org
2023-07-27T01:35:38Z
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@grammargirl It is grammatically correct according to new standards.
(DIR) Post #AY6YNGvkcH0mtFGRnc by PeteZ@mastodonbooks.net
2023-07-27T01:47:32Z
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@grammargirl I know itās considered incorrect. But I still prefer it over āI hope the treaty will be ratified. ā
(DIR) Post #AY6aFpL704rRCQhjY8 by eurobubba@mastodonczech.cz
2023-07-27T02:08:35Z
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@grammargirl Obviously, itās fine.
(DIR) Post #AY6eOmkoNkL7bUFhsu by robini71@mastodon.social
2023-07-27T02:55:04Z
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@grammargirl I'm no expert and hesitate to even weigh in especially in your midst but all the English teachers who reside in my brain are screaming that it should read The treaty will hopefully be ratified. That is if hopefully is used at all as opposed to potentially or the like. It just seems to me the first rendering sounds more like conversational language rather than formal. I'll be quiet now. šš¤£
(DIR) Post #AY6ipdGCBgJVnJzNY0 by A_C_McGregor@topspicy.social
2023-07-27T03:44:44Z
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@grammargirl "Hopefully, the treaty will be ratified""The treaty will hopefully be ratified""The treaty will be hopefully ratified""The treaty will be ratified, hopefully"Aren't these all slightly different?
(DIR) Post #AY6wth9x1xZuP8tqKm by Azmazing1@mas.to
2023-07-27T06:22:17Z
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@grammargirl | I see this as a register (i.e., sociological) issue and not as a grammar issue.
(DIR) Post #AY6xtOBdfefzW26hVY by hagedose68@social.cologne
2023-07-27T06:33:28Z
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@grammargirl I was so glad when I learned it's okay to use it (35 years ago?), because it's the exact same way German "hoffentlich" is used.
(DIR) Post #AY73xH66ZOfmPbkqvY by taatm@mathstodon.xyz
2023-07-27T07:41:21Z
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@grammargirl @HollyGoDarkly Formal standard English is the facts + white elite patriarchy.I probably sound fringe saying that but I donāt mean it as an emotional reaction. I mean it as facts.If you deny the opinions, you deny the emotions and with that you deny the humanity. The only reason to do that is to use the āstay in your laneā version of āshut up, youāre not meā.This is a problem in academia and most people donāt realise it.
(DIR) Post #AY75aZkJGkIbUsrdTc by RogerBW@emacs.ch
2023-07-27T07:59:38Z
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@grammargirl The only measure of "wrong" is whether the reader knows what you meant. I find it ugly, but that's not the same thing.
(DIR) Post #AY7cWx5rom5fEnpLoO by grammargirl@zirk.us
2023-07-27T14:08:47Z
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@A_C_McGregor To me, the first and last sentences mean the same thing (I am hopeful that), possibly with a slightly different tone.The third means the people ratifying the treaty will do so in a hopeful manner.And to me, the second sentence could mean either (but probably has the "I hope" meaning).
(DIR) Post #AY7hJYRIfcemmQHcki by NateBarham@wandering.shop
2023-07-27T15:02:17Z
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@grammargirl @A_C_McGregor Commas around āhopefullyā in sentence two would clarify it meaning the same as one and three, no?
(DIR) Post #AY8BfgiPZuglRXl0Km by UnCoveredMyths@writing.exchange
2023-07-27T20:42:33Z
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@grammargirl I donāt really see any objections. Except some people donāt like the word hopefully, as it clarifies thoughts and emotions. And we have to keep those as hidden secrets.
(DIR) Post #AY8LCM00WLJyKwdeWu by A_C_McGregor@topspicy.social
2023-07-27T22:29:17Z
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@grammargirl I would interpret the last one as being distinctly more... cynical, I guess would be the best way to put it? Saying it that way sounds to me like the speaker has less hope of it actually happening.