Post AXrlJOQd2pIe3P7N2m by schizanon@mas.to
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(DIR) Post #AXrZGy8mc1RmUiqfEO by hirnsalat@chaos.social
2023-07-19T14:05:53Z
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@rcombs i hate how the introduction tries to frame this as something users want/need. no wonder everything starts with "users want websites to know ...". google wants to know that, and is basically trying to tell ppl they want it too. nothing new, but worth calling out.
(DIR) Post #AXrZQ8RBhLfH2HpNmC by dalias@hachyderm.io
2023-07-19T15:31:35Z
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@rcombs I'm glad the authors kindly put their names on it so they can be shitlisted from the industry.
(DIR) Post #AXrlJOQd2pIe3P7N2m by schizanon@mas.to
2023-07-19T16:05:04Z
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@rcombs I love how number one on their list of "scenarios where users depend on client trust" is "advertisers can only afford to pay for humans to see the ads".Also love how the whole scheme is predicated on having a single "attester" that gatekeeps which *operating systems* are valid. It's AppStores for Websites. This idea needs to be killed with fire, and everyone involved should be shamed.#webDev #web #webEnvironmentIntegrity
(DIR) Post #AXrlLFD8Hppq2qgiTQ by elsie@p.girlc.at
2023-07-19T19:38:08.536795Z
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@retr0id @rcombs they are too busy banning end-to-end encryption
(DIR) Post #AXrlNnJITceANims1A by koakuma@uwu.social
2023-07-19T12:14:36Z
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@merospit @rcombs> just like the bad old days if IE only websites.Unlike in the olden days, though, nowadays people seem to like and celebrate monocultures, at least when it comes to computing :hehehe:
(DIR) Post #AXrlQUzF3kQYQAhE5A by ascott@fosstodon.org
2023-07-19T19:28:52Z
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@hirnsalat @rcombs It makes me absolutely fucking insane that DRM is always deceptively sold as beneficial for the public. *Just once* I would for like a company to be honest about their intent.
(DIR) Post #AXrlRVu78Ol7YVmWKu by blakeyrat@mastodon.social
2023-07-19T14:32:50Z
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@rcombs Websites have had DRM for decades. That's how Netflix determines whether you're allowed to see 4k video or not.
(DIR) Post #AXrlRWmhrQQaHpK7Qe by chiraag@mastodon.online
2023-07-19T14:55:21Z
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@blakeyrat @rcombs Sure? But we sure as hell shouldn't allow it to get even worse than it already is.
(DIR) Post #AXrlW2XTjycNvgLuZE by blakeyrat@mastodon.social
2023-07-19T18:02:03Z
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@chiraag @rcombs I skimmed the proposal and I'm not sure why I'm supposed to feel it's so horrible.
(DIR) Post #AXrlW39PSwxXpK6Cgq by ascott@fosstodon.org
2023-07-19T19:44:02Z
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@blakeyrat @chiraag @rcombs In plain English, it reallocates control from the many (i.e. users) to the few (Google) which is a direct threat to the open web. You're correct that it isn't DRM in the same way as widevine, it's more like the Play Store - if your device/client doesn't play by Google's rules it's not going to work right.
(DIR) Post #AXrlbxz9aFovXn7h9k by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-07-19T22:35:17.399670Z
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@lispi314 @ascott @hirnsalat @rcombs i gave up on that fight a long time ago. the public will never be against being controlled until it personally fucks them. and by then they are too individuated to matter.
(DIR) Post #AXrlxiR64n89goZ2rQ by icedquinn@blob.cat
2023-07-19T22:39:13.103486Z
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@lispi314 i spent something like ten years in that fight :blobcatpensive2: @hirnsalat @ascott @rcombs @pluralistic
(DIR) Post #AXrmLObpRZyV9CsLOi by esther@strangeobject.space
2023-07-19T12:37:27Z
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@rcombs here’s a good girhub issue on this https://github.com/RupertBenWiser/Web-Environment-Integrity/issues/28
(DIR) Post #AXroXeIR927JBSm932 by glitch@pl.glitch.pm
2023-07-19T23:03:06.661835Z
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@roboneko @delroth @lispi314 please don't be that person on typos, it's extremely annoying
(DIR) Post #AXrsS8TwP0G6sjmcDo by didek@101010.pl
2023-07-19T23:51:57Z
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@rcombs Let me honest. People don't visit websites anymore. They are full apps and the WWW was transferred into the appstore.Anyone has any idea how to reverse that?
(DIR) Post #AXrtWT9Fbia65cjfV2 by glitch@pl.glitch.pm
2023-07-19T23:18:44.503484Z
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@lispi314 @roboneko @delroth aye fair. Sorry it's a format I've seen one too many times.Meh, I don't think there's malicious intent on the the authors. I think this is an RFC published with good intent and well researched feedback... that is going to get immediately cannibalized by the business side of the big G the moment it becomes a serious submission and needs a reference implementation.Reeks a lot of people who read "don't build the torment nexus" and then decided to build the "nice" version of the torment nexus. Just because they build the nice version doesn't mean someone immediately after will create the not nice version.
(DIR) Post #AXrtWTqqzbSYGr8USm by didek@101010.pl
2023-07-20T00:03:55Z
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@glitch @roboneko @delroth @lispi314 May interest you:https://archive.org/details/decentralizedwebsummit2016-corydoctorow
(DIR) Post #AXt1ThRT05a2LNPFgG by glitch@pl.glitch.pm
2023-07-19T20:30:54.790451Z
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@delroth @rcombs tbh I think the problem with this is that the road to hell starts with good intentions.No matter how good Google will try to be about this, bad actors on both ends will find ways to loophole and abuse it. The bots will just extract the data they need to from a chrome binary/fake their JS engine to mimic a real browser anyways. Ad networks will use these techniques to further fingerprint and identify browser users.That's without getting into the perverse incentive problem where Google is also the world's biggest (and if you believe the EUs antitrust, only meaningful) ad network, so any solution they'll come up with will not be as perfect as it should be, *specifically* so they can make a loophole for profiling users.