Post AXrinC4pETnOZSRDaC by fcktheworld587@social.linux.pizza
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(DIR) Post #AXrij6Ed0iiNIJ4SbA by brunomiguel@masto.pt
2023-07-19T12:04:37Z
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I just stumbled on a video from Youtube where this person suggests trying #Arch #Linux for people switching from Windows. Why would anyone recommend this to new Linux users coming from the StalkerOS?! A DIY distribution is never a good option unless you already know your way around the system, and it is a disservice to anyone trying out Linux. For Cthulhu's sake!
(DIR) Post #AXrin9wbA61hxMZcTw by jt_rebelo@masto.pt
2023-07-19T12:05:35Z
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@brunomiguel isn't that the intention? To make people stay way? So StalkerOS can still be "the standard"?
(DIR) Post #AXrinAs1iZxopTRTzk by brunomiguel@masto.pt
2023-07-19T12:07:30Z
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@jt_rebelo I didn't get that vibe with the video. It just felt someone that likes to brag that they use Arch btw 🤦♂️
(DIR) Post #AXrinBV1Nb9imPgcm8 by jt_rebelo@masto.pt
2023-07-19T12:12:37Z
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@brunomiguel so the YouTuber doesn't know their audience, or knows them too well (not catering to those that use StalkerOS).
(DIR) Post #AXrinC4pETnOZSRDaC by fcktheworld587@social.linux.pizza
2023-07-19T22:03:41Z
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@jt_rebelo @brunomiguel yeah, maybe they're trying to drum up some free outrage exposure within the Linux community
(DIR) Post #AXrjrWNnmEFmf4wR3A by m0xee@social.librem.one
2023-07-19T22:15:42Z
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@fcktheworld587At times I fail to realize that a lot of stuff online is done precisely to spark controversy, until I came up with a response to that, but then I'm like: "Isn't that exactly what they want?" 🤔 @jt_rebelo @brunomiguel
(DIR) Post #AXrlgmTbnhFRIXfE00 by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2023-07-19T12:07:39Z
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@brunomiguel It depende what is the profile of that person, but I would surely agree that for the profiles that match most people, it's not a good sugestion, specially if the switch is to happen fast, or even moderately fast.
(DIR) Post #AXrlgnHEpAwlmSsrM8 by brunomiguel@masto.pt
2023-07-19T12:20:22Z
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@DiogoConstantino IMO, any distribution that keeps the user from dealing with the system internals all the time and does what the user needs is a good option. I would install either Debian Stable or Ubuntu LTS on my father's computer easily because he only needs a browser, an email client, a file manager, a music player, a video player, and a client to download songs from youtube.
(DIR) Post #AXrlgnyqD3pDxhHgJs by m0xee@social.librem.one
2023-07-19T22:36:08Z
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@brunomiguel That's because you're going to install it for him and you will make sure that these things work. If the person new to this does that himself and something doesn't work as expected, chances are high that with "user-oriented" distros they will never figure it out how to fix it themselves. I started using Linux circa Redhat 3 (not RHEL) and things were much more simple at the time. And when something didn't work I was just trying to figure out how it is supposed to.@DiogoConstantino
(DIR) Post #AXrlkMjDTRdobEfp9E by m0xee@social.librem.one
2023-07-19T22:36:49Z
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@brunomiguel I have zero understanding how modern Ubuntu works under the hood: okay, I want this command to be run when my computer starts, where do I put it, rc.local as usual or would the be run too early? Naybe I should make that service descriptor file for systemd or maybe I should run it when my user session starts — how do I do that? Then, the upgrades: it used to be GNOME shell, then Unity, then GNOME shell again, how are they different, what should I know?@DiogoConstantino
(DIR) Post #AXrlmyBTBYu9LU8A2S by m0xee@social.librem.one
2023-07-19T22:37:16Z
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@brunomiguel It used to be IBus for input, now it's something else, it used to be dconf, then gsettings and it was just a bunch of XML files before that — everything always changes, makes no sense and drives me nuts! I've tried using Ubuntu recently, but ended up scrapping it and installing Void — at least I understand how it works 🤷 But you're still probably right about the idea behind that video: he didn't mean this, it was made precisely to brag about using Arch 😅@DiogoConstantino
(DIR) Post #AXsgjpbWK715FoxYsy by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2023-07-20T09:15:23Z
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@m0xee @brunomiguel most people really don't want to spend time learning how things work underneath to fix an issue they shouldn't have, and shouldn't have to. Expecting them to have to, is wrong, and will drive people away from GNU/Linux, not towards it.
(DIR) Post #AXsgv7nR1eTUrTuxdo by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2023-07-20T09:17:25Z
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@m0xee @brunomiguel You don't need to know, most people have no idea how to do the equivalent to that on any operating systems and don't care to know, about component changes (or care about it), they just want to do stuff with the computer.
(DIR) Post #AXsh6PxvoSnaOkDEBc by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2023-07-20T09:19:28Z
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@brunomiguel @m0xee, but you're definitely not a "normal" user.
(DIR) Post #AXsi2JR6FPeSwWShQe by m0xee@social.librem.one
2023-07-20T09:29:56Z
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@DiogoConstantino Sure! And I agree with you, "normal" user shouldn't know about how things work under the hood, but if he wants, he should be able to. Modern Linux systems go so complex that I seriously doubt it's even possible, with Windows it's impossible without that expensive MSDN subscription, so it's still worse, but in current state of things — not much worse. Using Linux system might have other benefits, e.g. for privacy — but is that it?@brunomiguel
(DIR) Post #AXsi3k8OTAZS2HOW80 by m0xee@social.librem.one
2023-07-20T09:30:13Z
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@DiogoConstantino I mean if you take the ability to understand how things work out of equation, why should "normal" users switch at all? For ideological reasons, because tech-savvy people like us think that free/libre software is cool? But that's unfair to "normal" users — if they are only going to look for fixes online without understanding what they are doing — they are probably just as good as with using Windows 🤷 @brunomiguel
(DIR) Post #AXsiUqNNN4mXDFKCiu by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2023-07-20T09:35:05Z
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@m0xee @brunomiguel I don't agree.
(DIR) Post #AXsjQpodc1fuGqjEpM by DiogoConstantino@masto.pt
2023-07-20T09:45:33Z
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@m0xee @brunomiguel because it's better, cheaper, and gives them control over their tech (they might not want to use that control, but it's important to have it).I'm not proposing people should look for fixes online, I'm proposing they shouldn't need because the software should do whatever they need and is reliable. Obviously this is not what is going to happen all of the time, and that's where people can ask for help from the community, or pay someone to deal with the issues.