Post AXopWfYfYILZBkx3Oy by Devourer_ITA@meow.social
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(DIR) Post #AXoC452dpWN9c7LbuK by Rainthedriger@meow.social
2023-07-17T19:56:29Z
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Why are so many people so obsessed with trying to use social platforms as galleries?Twitter/mastodon is not a galleryTelegram is not a galleryDiscord is not a galleryUsing those like a gallery makes it harder for everyone to view/admire your workIt's insane to expect people to have to scroll through a timeline to find your work, especially on a social media you use for communication as well So they have to scroll through dozens of memes or other random images to find your actual work
(DIR) Post #AXoC47960Uiw8iNnFI by Rainthedriger@meow.social
2023-07-17T19:56:29Z
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Same thing with stuff like telegram/ discord. Even if others can't post in it and you only post your work they still have to scroll back through it which becomes increasingly difficult the more you post. Not to mention the people already have a problem with too many chat roomsI understand that all of our current gallery sites have problems to some degree but at the end of the day they still do their jobFa has moral problems with the staff and it's understandable not to want to use those
(DIR) Post #AXoC48hWDzqwxlUnXU by Rainthedriger@meow.social
2023-07-17T19:56:29Z
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But sofurry and weasyl are valid optionsTypically the only argument I really ever see for people not wanting to use them is there's not as big of a populationWhich becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy when no one wants to join because no one is thereAlso you dont need traffic from there just use it to store your workIt's perfectly okay to still use chat rooms and social media and stuff to spread the word about your work
(DIR) Post #AXoC4AD6c2iJe1HXPc by Rainthedriger@meow.social
2023-07-17T19:56:30Z
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just post links to an actual gallery people can easily navigate instead of posting the image itself in a place whereby definition it will eventually get lost and buriedThis isn't a call out to anyone more of a constructive critique on an issue for artists I feel is getting worse over time
(DIR) Post #AXoMTlrUlHMfCR1U0W by Ash@awoo.fyi
2023-07-18T07:09:31.337699Z
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> Why are so many people so obsessed with trying to use social platforms as galleries?Because many ordinary people set that as an expectation to see someone's photos which has lead to it becoming a defacto standard. It's also easy and free.> Using those like a gallery makes it harder for everyone to view/admire your workThe reality is that for many people it's the way they get exposure. The click through rate to getting someone look at an external site is much lower than browsing on the social media. So it's optimal to prioritize that. It further is a drag to post across multiple platforms so people don't. Further look at popular tools used to post, such as Buffer is for crossposting and as many others, it doesn't support anything but social media sites.Hope this clears it up for you.
(DIR) Post #AXoN72R74W5ztkPIRs by chirpbirb@meow.social
2023-07-17T19:57:32Z
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@Rainthedriger there’s a perfectly good #furry #pixelfed instance we could be using too https://pixelfed.furryfandom.me
(DIR) Post #AXoN76QCFrjuG40cZk by Ash@awoo.fyi
2023-07-18T07:16:34.746048Z
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Splitting up your social media isn't good for engagement which artists etc want for their business. If you're posting just your art/photos, not posting your services and engaging your audience with memes etc. It suffers the exact same issues as not doing that normally on social media. Further pixelfed fixes nothing with memes being included in your gallery etc. Then pixelfed additionally doesn't work with popular posting tools such as Buffer and corrupts colours on an image that includes a colour profile unlike Mastodon or Pleroma.
(DIR) Post #AXogDAnCoYGogJNaa0 by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-18T10:50:10.799017Z
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@Rainthedriger twitter/mastodon/pleroma can be used as a gallery if you make it so that it ONLY has your images, not other stuff.image.png
(DIR) Post #AXogjBlkidYmycxxOy by neopolitan@pleroma.comfysnug.space
2023-07-18T10:56:25.685973Z
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@Rainthedriger Why aren't people just posting to deviantart? they stealing artwork or something now?
(DIR) Post #AXoiMNOHXogeGgEnrs by shpuld@shpposter.club
2023-07-18T11:14:38.438459Z
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@hj @Rainthedriger twitter has that too, the joke is the artist spamming reaction memes and gifs that fill up the media gallery
(DIR) Post #AXojTePsk0yr3P1E9o by hj@shigusegubu.club
2023-07-18T11:26:50.993654Z
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@shpuld @Rainthedriger as you do, so it's better to just have separate artposting account
(DIR) Post #AXopWe8kpA1Un5oqMy by Devourer_ITA@meow.social
2023-07-18T08:40:02Z
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@Ash @Rainthedriger and that's exactly why I never heard of buffer, but constantly see Postybirb since that uploader supports gallery sites, like a good mass uploader shouldIt even supports Mastodon lol
(DIR) Post #AXopWfYfYILZBkx3Oy by Devourer_ITA@meow.social
2023-07-18T08:48:26Z
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@Ash @Rainthedriger I looked it up and damn, some of those sites I've never heard of before, so yeahI actually should be using it since I usually just upload everything manually lol
(DIR) Post #AXoqPoK0ff8AINO7jE by chirpbirb@meow.social
2023-07-18T12:42:08Z
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@Ash right, right… i think either furry websites need to adapt to activitypub or we need an activitypub based gallery website that accepts all kinds of types of works. otherwise, the appeal of these older gallery sites starts to fade as they get older and older. *i* still use them, but newer, younger artists might not think about building a gallery professionally on those sites due to the stigma/age.
(DIR) Post #AXosTTDdGxz3ueHIAK by Ash@awoo.fyi
2023-07-18T13:08:01.435662Z
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> i think either furry websites need to adapt to activitypub or we need an activitypub based gallery website that accepts all kinds of types of works. I think the fediverse in general is fairly ethereal, having been here on the fediverse for years, very few services remain online long term. The bigger problems that isn't really addressed is the fact that it's a lot of effort to post your content and ActivePub offers nothing to let you migrate that content.One thing I've learned from running my non-furry creative content accounts is that reposting an entire gallery, migrating galleries, migrating social media is hard. I have for example around 250 produced works in the last two years and reposting that alone on a new gallery/site is so tedious, I generally don't.I wouldn't advocate the fediverse as a good place for posting galleries either because even though ActivePub explicitly supports backfilling posts in the protocol, software implementations like Mastodon intentionally refuse to do so (the inbox system in the spec). Any sort of gallery site would suffer great difficulty getting the content synchronised properly across fedi -- This is one of the big reasons why Twitter, Tumblr, Instagram, Threads is a much more worthwhile place for social media posting for creatives (nevermind the fact that Mastodon, the 'defacto standard' of fediverse further limits image sizes and resolution significantly, even more so than Twitter). Creatives content is fully available.I do agree with you that we probably need something more/better than current day galleries if we wish to preserve their utility or perhaps enhance social media enough that they fulfil a gallery system too.My view is that the fediverse in its current state just isn't sufficient at all to provide it and merely having a gallery support ActivePub won't offer the benefits that exist in pre-existing and new social networks so that alone wouldn't be sufficient enough to make things viable.
(DIR) Post #AXosd8CGHrnpbrF9gu by Rainthedriger@meow.social
2023-07-18T13:05:46Z
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@AshPostybirb supports both social media sites like Twitter, pay wall sites like Patreon and subscribe star, as well as basically every art site I've ever heard of and a couple dozen more I haven't heard ofAnd the initial up front interaction yeah there's an argument there but there's an equal argument that especially as the algorithms have gotten worse it's not even doing that for people and even if they get more initial interaction they'll inevitably get way less retroactive interaction
(DIR) Post #AXotvyZyMwoPEmsrUO by Ash@awoo.fyi
2023-07-18T13:24:24.192101Z
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> Postybirb supports both social media sites like Twitter, pay wall sites like Patreon and subscribe starIt's the only one I'm aware of that does, but then unlike other tools also breaks ToS of a bunch of sites because APIs aren't readily available on some and they explicitly prohibit using 3rd party tools to do things.I would suggest that it might be a bad idea using it on sites like Patreon that when I last checked, don't offer an API and explicitly ban this practice, especially if you make your livelihood on that site.> there's an equal argument that especially as the algorithms have gotten worse it's not even doing that for people and even if they get more initial interaction they'll inevitably get way less retroactive interactionRetroactive interaction is virtually non-existent on gallery websites in general. If I look at my non-furry Twitter account that has a bunch of content, I still get people quote tweeting and likes some old content posts and commenting on it. Compare to say DeviantArt, I get nothing on the retro content. Ironically, I have more followers on DA.
(DIR) Post #AXouEjMj9oFdYUdCoC by meeko@furry.engineer
2023-07-18T13:21:23Z
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@Ash @chirpbirb I absolutely agree that ActivityPub needs a standardized way to migrate from one instance to another, when my prior instance shut down I lost all account customization and any posts. However, this wasn't much of an issue because I hadn't been very active on that instance but that's beside the point.Ultimately I think ActivityPub as a protocol doesn't need to adapt to be a better gallery, instead content delivery networks need to adapt to make optimal use of the protocol and its strengths.I, for one, would be interested to see a gallery site that has content hosted through a protocol like IPFS which is content agnostic and is linked through a fixed-length alphanumeric address.
(DIR) Post #AXqCVkVl4muESniJKi by Rainthedriger@meow.social
2023-07-18T13:12:30Z
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@neopolitanI mean they always do that they have pretty much since they were created but the most recent additional problem with them, thing that made me stop posting on there again when I had only recently started trying to use it again is they hopped on board the AI train
(DIR) Post #AXqCVlCeVJDWbpmZBw by neopolitan@pleroma.comfysnug.space
2023-07-19T04:27:15.459996Z
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@Rainthedriger yeah but you can just opt out of that. literally just a toggle
(DIR) Post #AXqOnFOmgnSwdGYtlo by Rainthedriger@meow.social
2023-07-18T20:09:29Z
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@lispi314@Ash It's a little more complicated than that. First non-visual artists like myself have to use external links anyway because you know I can't post a 15,000 word story on TwitterBut even for the visual artists I'm not saying they shouldn't post their work on social media, they absolutely should I'm just saying that they shouldn't rely on social media as the place for people to see all of their workYou're right that someone who wouldn't click on an external link probably -
(DIR) Post #AXqOnH7UI4onyCU75U by Rainthedriger@meow.social
2023-07-18T20:09:30Z
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@lispi314Wasn't interested in a commission in the first place but what about the ones that are? Those that will click that link will have a much, much easier time seeing the rest of that artist's gallery and deciding if there's someone they want to commission if they can look at it through a gallery instead of having to scroll through an overly long media tab almost always cluttered with memes and reaction gifs between every post. Even if they aren't more than a few images is a pain@Ash
(DIR) Post #AXqOnIlw9Alh5wPvm4 by Rainthedriger@meow.social
2023-07-18T20:09:30Z
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@lispi314@Ash My point is that I feel like too many people are trying to use social media as a replacement for a gallery instead of a social and advertisement platform which is what it is. Stuff like Twitter is great for reaching people and finding new audiences but galleries are where those potential new audiences will have the best chance of becoming fans/followers/customers by having an easy and comprehensive way to explore that person's artwork
(DIR) Post #AXs5UD7ZQKVBFldgcC by Rainthedriger@meow.social
2023-07-19T09:05:23Z
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@neopolitan they added a toggle after a huge backlash, including after they had already started scraping peoples work while their own ToS literally said it couldn't be used like thatand even then not gonna lie with shit DA has pulled in the past I wouldn't be shocked at all if they were still scraping art, toggle or no. wouldn't be the first time they did shit like that like how years ago they were selling prints of other artists work for their own profit and not compensating the artist
(DIR) Post #AXs5XTBS9xdHwJ0diC by neopolitan@pleroma.comfysnug.space
2023-07-20T02:18:30.376955Z
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@Rainthedriger I didn't realize. I haven't been paying much attention to them.