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(DIR) Post #AXgpBzhBvqo0IXOpwO by luckytran@med-mastodon.com
2023-07-14T15:52:26Z
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Businesses like In-N-Out Burger are banning staff from wearing masks (unless they provide a medical note)
(DIR) Post #AXgpC0cyT11hBkQz0S by shacker@zirk.us
2023-07-14T15:53:34Z
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@luckytran Why?
(DIR) Post #AXgy5qgrOrUkDbOC9o by VATVSLPR@c.im
2023-07-14T17:33:14Z
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@shacker @luckytran They say in their that they want customers to be able to see the workers' faces. It's a stupid reason, and it's probably also related to a general desire to move past the pandemic- as if ignoring it will make it go away. Also interesting to note the policy doesn't apply in California, which I think has a law protecting workers' right to wear a mask if they want to.
(DIR) Post #AXhBkM61Lt6KbpnrLE by lewdthewides@hidamari.apartments
2023-07-14T20:06:07.357772Z
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@luckytran I don't care about wagie smiles....I just want my fucking food
(DIR) Post #AXin0yQgULLzaqDQxs by shacker@zirk.us
2023-07-15T14:38:36Z
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@VATVSLPR @luckytran wow, so it really is a superficial as it sounds. Kind of pathetic if you ask me. People who feel the need to wear a mask should wear a mask with no judgment or restrictions, it’s pretty simple.
(DIR) Post #AXisVrAq0vj1q2Li2S by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-15T15:40:10Z
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@luckytran Considering the huge amount of harm masks has done to the deaf community, who rely on lip reading, and the excessive nature of mask wearing in general, I have to say I support this. inb4: Obviously masks serve a purpose, particularly in a medical setting. But improper mask use (particularly all day use of the same mask and reuse) has the potential to spread disease as well. So even from the perspective of reducing the spread of germs its not a particularly good choice given the down sides IMO.
(DIR) Post #AXjcZkrxzW9HKrJqXw by barney@mas.to
2023-07-16T00:16:17Z
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@freemo You've established yourself as an inauthentic pro-Republican propaganda account, but I didn't realize that your lies extend specifically into the domain of #COVID #disinformation.Masks prevent disease transmission. There is absolutely no doubt about this. None.Should masks be required everywhere? No! Should businesses *ban* their use by employees? Obviously not.And by the way, "excessive nature of mask wearing in general" is not something that someone would actually say.
(DIR) Post #AXkxZgebxMCiSOqCh6 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T15:46:21Z
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@barney LOL typical... I am literally a research scientist who spent the last 2 years researching COVID... god your a fucking moron with this shitI never said masks dont prevent disease transmission, in fact, I made it quite clear that when handled properly they absolutely do.I see you totally ignored the immense harm to the deaf masks cause, which was the main point... good job at being a talking head and not even addressing the points raised, excellent job indeed.
(DIR) Post #AXkyiLbDhrbZiXwr8y by dannotdaniel@mastodon.social
2023-07-16T15:59:06Z
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@freemo @luckytran I generally support mask-wearing reflexively, but I appreciate your perspectiveinteresting & unexpected take - thanks for posting
(DIR) Post #AXkyvB3OE5Vsm8F4vQ by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T16:01:22Z
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@dannotdaniel If your going to be responsible and wear it correctly and throw it away (or disinfect it) after a few hours.. then the deaf issue aside you are probably helping with disease. Im not against that.My issue here is wearing a mask all day at a job isnt good since it is harmful to deaf customers and the procedures for masks require you to only use one for a few hours max, and since they are probably touching their mask all day long too they probably arent helping much anywayBasically I have nothing against proper mask use, but be aware of the nuance here with deaf people and the effects of dirty masks.@luckytran
(DIR) Post #AXkzHKlqmLtFHcbTLU by barney@mas.to
2023-07-16T16:05:27Z
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@freemo Your post was nonsensical. With neither logical nor empirical justification, you expressed your support for an employer's indefensible decision to ban mask wearing by employees.This is the case whether or not you are "a research scientist who spent the last 2 years researching COVID." A critical principle of online information intake is that the logicality of an argument is a property of the argument, not of the claimed or actual prestige of the person who offers it.
(DIR) Post #AXkzHoyIUdfiwuepua by dannotdaniel@mastodon.social
2023-07-16T16:05:30Z
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@freemo @luckytran I am not an expert on the deterioration details, do you have a favored link so I can check that out?Thanks
(DIR) Post #AXkzV5DdOgMH6W9gwK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T16:07:54Z
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@barney Whatever nonsense you gotta tell yourself. If you arent smart enough to understand the "logic" and arent mature enough to ask and try to understand, then sadly **you** are the one who is the problem here. Generally when a successful published COVID scientist says something (easily confirmed with the internet today) then you at least try to understand it first, something you are clearly not mature enough to understand, so instead you resort to name calling.
(DIR) Post #AXkzdbfYdCQG41HRlg by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T16:09:26Z
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@dannotdaniel @luckytran Deterioration? Do you mean the fact that masks are usually intended to be worn for a few hours max?
(DIR) Post #AXkzjJp1tqL8RuR0gC by dannotdaniel@mastodon.social
2023-07-16T16:10:29Z
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@freemo @luckytran yes I would generally wear one for the duration of my time in the office, whatever that is.I've been known to re-use them as well, and I might need to stop doing that at least.So far, I've dodged this thing. Despite exposures - and I'm inclined to believe the mask didn't hurt here.
(DIR) Post #AXl0DHtBePel8qfZ7A by barney@mas.to
2023-07-16T16:15:55Z
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@freemo Your ostensible professional accomplishments are irrelevant to your argument, but they help explain why you chose to make that argument.The real person's identity you claim (truthfully, I'd guess) is a stunning compendium of wildly grandiose self-promoting exaggerations and outright falsehoods. Sort of a computer-enthusiast George Santos.
(DIR) Post #AXl0Y2tMbZVii5eNZQ by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T16:19:38Z
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@dannotdaniel So the mask guideline of a few hours is the one recommended by the CDC for nurses in medical situations. It was the normal guideline before COVID.During covid there was a mask shortage so they generally recommended to the general public relaxed guidelines and suggested 24 hours max.But considering these guidelines were chosen particularly in light of a mask shortage I would say the original guidelines, which had years of data to back it, is the better choice.Anyway here is a study addressing the topic and some relevant quotes showing the short-term nature of disposable masks:"...demonstrates a noticeable humid air filtering degradation during the first 60 min of use.""...the practice of wearing an FFR disposable face mask for excessive time is not only uncomfortable but can affect the health of the wearer.""From a morphological point of view, our results show that using a disposable face mask for several hours, without proper disposal or cleansing, may lead to collecting, growing, and cumulating inorganic as well as organic matter. ""Our reported data confirm the urgent need to inform the general public about the importance of wearing single-use face masks for shorter periods of time with respect to the current common practice"https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-20692-9@luckytran
(DIR) Post #AXl0aT24O1bOMWsRxw by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T16:20:05Z
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@barney Whatever you gotta tell yourself to sleep at night
(DIR) Post #AXl0wxLQMpNGkEeafY by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T16:24:08Z
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@barney Funny how you actually having addressed either of the points I made, b3ecause you cant because they are well established and accepted by virtually every scientist on this planet... Both my points are undeniable.1) The use of disposal masks for extended periods of time (more than a few hours) has a lot of risk factors for the spread of disease:https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-20692-92) The use of masks is harmful tot he interests of the deaf community since they are unable to lip read which is essential for their day-to-day functioning (this one shouldnt even need a source).But yea... take two very reasonable positions, and turn that into me being republican... what an idiotic white-knight bullshit.
(DIR) Post #AXl3Gqg73tcpllwZxg by barney@mas.to
2023-07-16T16:19:53Z
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@freemo Here's a link to PubMed, the National Library of Medicine's massive, comprehensive database where anyone can look up publications on COVID or any other medically-related subject:https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
(DIR) Post #AXl3GrPqJsCm3bL6Ey by barney@mas.to
2023-07-16T16:48:30Z
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@freemo Is there a unifying formulation that might simultaneously explain your brazen, wildly grandiose lies about your professional accomplishments, your incomprehensible assertion that scientific expertise leads you to support mask-banning, and your inauthentic and consciously inaccurate attempts to convince left-leaning voters to propel right-wing extremists into positions of power?
(DIR) Post #AXl3Gs4bsIoa62Peme by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T16:50:07Z
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@barney LOL now im lying about my professional accomplishments... Im listed prominently on the website of the lab I run, and we list our publications.... so all your proving is your an idiot who makes acusations without even the slightest effort to validate the nonsense you spew,.. you should be ashamed.
(DIR) Post #AXl9YwQR23yyX0cZNo by ech@qoto.org
2023-07-16T18:00:40Z
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@freemo @barney you suggest masks make things harder for deaf people therefore you are a fascist. 😂
(DIR) Post #AXlCcXjL5ciexgs9Ls by admitsWrongIfProven@qoto.org
2023-07-16T18:34:56Z
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@freemo @luckytran If masks are harmful when used the wrong way (all-day without changing), then better education seems to be the rational choice, while some burger joint forbidding masks won't do real good. Furthermore, being in support claiming to be for the deaf community while ignoring that this will hurt those that need the protection from masks (which will either be pressured to not get a doctors note or have trouble getting one, possibly to monetary trobles) concerns me. It seems like you dislike everyday mask use, perhaps that could be an ulterior motive?
(DIR) Post #AXlD0HjwC1poJoTPeK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-16T18:39:14.860843Z
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1) It's not about 'reducing the spread of germs' it's about 'reducing the spread of COVID specifically'. Which we need to do more of, not less.2) Masks are not 'excessive' - what's 'excessive' is people being exposed to other people for long periods of time during a pandemic.
(DIR) Post #AXlD9MYje0Ols6Yuqu by jeff@federated.fun
2023-07-16T18:40:52.057790Z
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@barney @freemo you lost by accepting the partisan framing on this issue that trump imposed way back when.
(DIR) Post #AXlDB5u2Xk1AnALwPo by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T18:41:08Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @luckytran > If masks are harmful when used the wrong way (all-day without changing), then better education seems to be the rational choice, while some burger joint forbidding masks won't do real good. If there is a need for masks that outweighs the harm to the deaf community, then I agree, education is better than banning.> Furthermore, being in support claiming to be for the deaf community while ignoring that this will hurt those that need the protection from masks (which will either be pressured to not get a doctors note or have trouble getting one, possibly to monetary trobles) concerns me.Time and time again the official stance is that masks help everyone else and protects them from the wearer, not the other way around. So any argument for masks wrt to at-risk people would require everyone wearing one. That is even greater harm to the deaf community and even more excessive a request. So the policy of not having its employees wear masks makes sense. If you are an at-risk employee you'd need a full respirator to protect yourself at which point im not even sure you could be heard clearly enough to do your job.> It seems like you dislike everyday mask use, perhaps that could be an ulterior motive?Yes, and I stated my ulterior motives:1) if not used properly it tends to cause more harm than good, and despite education efforts no one seems to use them properly.2) It is immensly harmful to the deaf community.Given its excessive nature combined with its potential to harm I dont feel the rewards outweigh the harm. That is my ulterior motive.
(DIR) Post #AXlDD91ttAlb4K0Vnc by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T18:41:34Z
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@admitsWrongIfProven @luckytran If masks are harmful when used the wrong way (all-day without changing), then better education seems to be the rational choice, while some burger joint forbidding masks won’t do real good.If there is a need for masks that outweighs the harm to the deaf community, then I agree, education is better than banning. Furthermore, being in support claiming to be for the deaf community while ignoring that this will hurt those that need the protection from masks (which will either be pressured to not get a doctors note or have trouble getting one, possibly to monetary trobles) concerns me.Time and time again the official stance is that masks help everyone else and protects them from the wearer, not the other way around. So any argument for masks wrt to at-risk people would require everyone wearing one. That is even greater harm to the deaf community and even more excessive a request. So the policy of not having its employees wear masks makes sense. If you are an at-risk employee you’d need a full respirator to protect yourself at which point im not even sure you could be heard clearly enough to do your job. It seems like you dislike everyday mask use, perhaps that could be an ulterior motive?Yes, and I stated my ulterior motives:1) if not used properly it tends to cause more harm than good, and despite education efforts no one seems to use them properly.2) It is immensly harmful to the deaf community.Given its excessive nature combined with its potential to harm I dont feel the rewards outweigh the harm. That is my ulterior motive.
(DIR) Post #AXlDGeIk4uAyvOYWg4 by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-16T18:42:12.276157Z
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> 1) The use of disposal masks for extended periods of time (more than a few hours) has a lot of risk factors for the spread of disease:https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-20692-9...if the masks are not changed.> 2) The [spread of covid in sustained community spread, requiring universal continued mask use] is harmful tot he interests of the deaf community FTFYthe masks are not the problemThe problem is that WE ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF A FUCKING PANDEMIC
(DIR) Post #AXlDNHhQVf88qyGXiK by luckytran@med-mastodon.com
2023-07-14T15:53:53Z
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You can send In-N-Out Burger a comment about their discriminatory policy banning masks here: https://www.in-n-out.com/contact
(DIR) Post #AXlDNIOfurj116V57o by Humpleupagus@eveningzoo.club
2023-07-16T18:43:23.761574Z
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How is it discriminatory? They will provide accommodation upon the provision of evidence of need. That's perfectly legal.
(DIR) Post #AXlDNJMELRMbzoMdxA by luckytran@med-mastodon.com
2023-07-15T00:25:59Z
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Ok here's the link to the email confirming In-N-Out is planning to ban staff from wearing masks in in Colorado, Nevada, Texas, and Utah (if they don't have a medical note). The policy will be effective in Aug 14, 2023. https://mailchi.mp/innout/mask-policy-update-for-az-co-nv-tx-ut-associates
(DIR) Post #AXlDSiRSVdb5F2O372 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T18:44:20Z
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@jeffcliff @luckytran 1) It’s not about ‘reducing the spread of germs’ it’s about ‘reducing the spread of COVID specifically’. Which we need to do more of, not less.What its “about” doesnt mean squat.. what it “is” is all that matters.Presuming it does good in preventing the spread of COVID, which is doubtful specifically considering their misuse, doesnt change the fact that it can and does spread other diseases when misused. That harm may (and I beleive does) outweigh the benefits. 2) Masks are not ‘excessive’ - what’s ‘excessive’ is people being exposed to other people for long periods of time during a pandemic.Thats where we simply disagree, given the fairly low effectiveness and even potential harm from mask wearing it doesnt justify the discomfort and potential harm both in spreading other diseases and in terms of harm to the deaf community. It would be like walking around in full hazmat gear.. yea maybe it helps, but it is absurd and not neccesary, its just excessive.
(DIR) Post #AXlE4dlcL3e3kMtqQy by meowski@fluf.club
2023-07-16T18:51:13.374342Z
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@barney @freemo he's actually right about this one. mask wearing by the general public has increased respiratory infections. they're only marginally effective when used in a medical setting. cloth masks, and improperly worn medical and n95 masks definitely increase respiratory infections. the whole thing was pointless theater
(DIR) Post #AXlEMNVLXaEMWRkNn6 by PeachySummer@nicecrew.digital
2023-07-16T18:54:26.798219Z
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@luckytran Oh man. Trannies eternally btfo'd.
(DIR) Post #AXlF2KNTYaP4zF4K8G by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-16T19:02:00.049497Z
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> What its “about” doesnt mean squat.. what it “is” is all that matters.It does matter. It matters that we can't seem to get covid under control.> Presuming it does good in preventing the spread of COVID, which is doubtful specifically considering their misuse,If they are used properly it *does* reduce community spread of covid.> doesnt change the fact that it can and does spread other diseases when misused.Sure. We can deal with that AFTER COVID IS OVER> That harm may (and I beleive does) outweigh the benefits.Not even close. The continuation of an AIRBORN disease killing millions of people and maiming upwards of a billion people is VERY tilted towards whatever will end it. This is like complaining that a firefighter's mask is blocking the ability of deaf people to lipread [which it does] wile they are trying to put out a housefire.
(DIR) Post #AXlF3aku9LUU4Ud8To by ech@qoto.org
2023-07-16T19:00:25Z
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@jeffcliff @barney @freemo they're kind of a problem; these are obviously facts about masks that make them somewhat if a problem. I'm not sure I approve of banning them anywhere, though.For kind of the reasons outlined here I've sort of avoided wearing them as much as possible, But I'm happy to wear them in your store if you ask or whatever makes you comfortable.
(DIR) Post #AXlF3bXpDSceWDWCjQ by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T19:02:12Z
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@ech I would not ban them in a store if a customer wants to use it.. but as a policy for employees in a customer service setting... well in that setting it makes perfect sense, especially if you want accessibility for the deaf.@jeffcliff @barney
(DIR) Post #AXlF5A0WZMcXh1gTnE by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-16T19:02:32.525919Z
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No it doesn't. If you they can't operate with masks then it's time to shut them down.
(DIR) Post #AXlF7LOdCH7Pat08bw by ech@qoto.org
2023-07-16T19:02:55Z
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@freemo @jeffcliff @barney yeah I guess I see your point, especially for that particular job.
(DIR) Post #AXlFeYpQHGyGoEN6jQ by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T19:08:52Z
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@jeffcliff @luckytran It does matter. It matters that we can’t seem to get covid under control.Depends what you mean by “under control”… COVID is probably at the levels it will be at for the rest of our lives… The nature of the disease and its vaccines means this is probably where we are going to be stuck at in terms of levels in the population. If everyone masks up again and gets indoors you might see a temporary drop, but it will go right back to baseline in the end.So its time to just put time and money into better vaccine research and better medical support for the sick… forcing everyone into low-level hasmat for the rest of their lives isnt a solution also. If they are used properly it does reduce community spread of covid.This is fairly likely to be true, I would agree. The problem is that it is not used properly and humans are not receptive enough to education for that to be likely to change in numbers great enough for masks to start doing more good than harm… so its a fairly moot point Sure. We can deal with that AFTER COVID IS OVERThere is no COVID being over… short of some drastic leap in medical technology that is likely not to happen for at least a generation, COVID will never be over. The nature of the virus in terms of both resevoirs and asymptomatic carriers virtually garuntees you wont eliminate COVID no matter what you do. Not even close. The continuation of an AIRBORN disease killing millions of people and maiming upwards of a billion people is VERY tilted towards whatever will end it.Moot point, the disease is continuing no matter what you do.. the idea that masks will end COVID completely is nonsensical, it isnt an option. This is like complaining that a firefighter’s mask is blocking theability of deaf people to lipread [which it does] wile they are trying to put out a housefire.No its not… The firefirghters would be like the medical professionals. They are trained on how to wear masks and in that case the masks are absolutely doing more good than harm.. They should wear it. The fire can never be put out, but when they fight it they should wear it to protect themselves and others… the general population, not so much.
(DIR) Post #AXlFuga5DmspUEsyem by dannotdaniel@mastodon.social
2023-07-16T16:12:43Z
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@freemo @luckytran also I don't know how often customers at In n Out Burger are really gonna need to rely on lip-reading to place a burger order.Generally it's pretty predictable transaction, but maybe I'm being insensitive 😬
(DIR) Post #AXlFuhKASRkLnARmUK by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T19:11:47Z
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@dannotdaniel @luckytran The deaf generally rely a great deal on lip reading, at an in and out burger with high volumn probably most of all.
(DIR) Post #AXlFvrVg4bjbfiNzQO by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-16T19:12:03.333247Z
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:KysRope:
(DIR) Post #AXlFwcomBPwEOYgPDc by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-16T19:12:11.415370Z
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(DIR) Post #AXlFwyV1ZXD7dfbwUC by ech@qoto.org
2023-07-16T19:04:31Z
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@jeffcliff @barney @freemo Your ableist privilege is showing...
(DIR) Post #AXlFwz8NDEgbbi1Moq by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-16T19:12:15.796830Z
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(DIR) Post #AXlGB2YNIQ1AGZsvlw by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T19:14:45Z
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@jeffcliff @luckytran It does matter. It matters that we can’t seem to get covid under control.Depends what you mean by “under control”… COVID is probably at the levels it will be at for the rest of our lives… The nature of the disease and its vaccines means this is probably where we are going to be stuck at in terms of levels in the population. If everyone masks up again and gets indoors you might see a temporary drop, but it will go right back to baseline in the end.So its time to just put time and money into better vaccine research and better medical support for the sick… forcing everyone into low-level hazmat for the rest of their lives isnt a solution. If they are used properly it does reduce community spread of covid.This is fairly likely to be true, I would agree. The problem is that it is not used properly and humans are not receptive enough to education for that to be likely to change in numbers great enough for masks to start doing more good than harm… so its a fairly moot point Sure. We can deal with that AFTER COVID IS OVERThere is no COVID being over… short of some drastic leap in medical technology that is likely not to happen for at least a generation, COVID will never be over. The nature of the virus in terms of both resevoirs and asymptomatic carriers virtually garuntees you wont eliminate COVID no matter what you do. Not even close. The continuation of an AIRBORN disease killing millions of people and maiming upwards of a billion people is VERY tilted towards whatever will end it.Moot point, the disease is continuing no matter what you do.. the idea that masks will end COVID completely is nonsensical, it isnt an option. This is like complaining that a firefighter’s mask is blocking theability of deaf people to lipread [which it does] wile they are trying to put out a housefire.No its not… The firefirghters would be like the medical professionals. They are trained on how to wear masks and in that case the masks are absolutely doing more good than harm.. They should wear it. The fire can never be put out, but when they fight it they should wear it to protect themselves and others… the general population, not so much.
(DIR) Post #AXlGHnJIMtuz193IwK by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-16T19:16:01.825791Z
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> Depends what you mean by “under control”… COVID is probably at the levels it will be at for the rest of our lives… No it isn't. We are going to end it, and we'll end people like you too if you interfere. > So its time to just put time and money into better vaccine research and better medical support for the sick… forcing everyone into low-level hasmat for the rest of their lives isnt a solution also.It's not 'for the rest of their lives' unless you interfere, in which case yes, it will be 'for the rest of your [short] life' > If they are used properly it does reduce community spread of covid.>? This is fairly likely to be true, I would agree. The problem is that it is not used properly and humans are not receptive enough to education >. The nature of the virus in terms of both resevoirs and We will cull them if we have to, but more likely we'll just mass test.> asymptomatic carriers virtually garuntees you wont eliminate COVID no matter what you do.No it doesn't.>.. the idea that masks will end COVID completely is nonsensical, it isnt an option.It will reduce R_0. That's what matters. > No its not… The firefirghters would be like the medical professionals.the firefigthers would be the essentials WHICH ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO SHOULD BE AT WORK RIGHT NOW. > he fire can never be put outYes it can.
(DIR) Post #AXlGRMVWsJ3QmoKwq0 by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T19:17:43Z
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@jeffcliff @luckytran > No it isn't. We are going to end it, and we'll end people like you too if you interfere.Ahh so you will be violent AND will still have a massive COVID problem in the end too... have fun with that> blah blah blah...At this point you have no value left to talk to so I wont read futher. Once you threaten to kill me for not listening to your anti-science nonsense you have lost any credibility and I wont engage further.
(DIR) Post #AXlGaepI8T6yCu0rbs by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-16T19:19:26.389291Z
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It's not anti-science. This is how to actually end a pandemic.
(DIR) Post #AXlH7xQXzzIzS9JlEe by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-07-16T19:25:25.607142Z
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@jeffcliff Bro what is with your obsession with the flu @luckytran @freemo
(DIR) Post #AXlHJKTQeXVc7F5W6a by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-16T19:27:30.754369Z
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Covid is not the fluthough we are due for a big flu too
(DIR) Post #AXlHobDATLcb0JOPSa by ceo_of_monoeye_dating@bae.st
2023-07-16T19:33:10.069262Z
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@jeffcliff @NEETzsche @luckytran @freemo >we are due for a big flu tooYou're off by like 3-4 months bro, flu season happens in Winter.
(DIR) Post #AXlHvuXizqEIzFUitU by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-16T19:34:29.013394Z
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true but there's a difference between a normal flu season (which is what is likely to happen) and ...worse due to bird flu (which is not that unlikely either)
(DIR) Post #AXlHxgA7R0huxtIQN6 by dannotdaniel@mastodon.social
2023-07-16T19:34:46Z
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@freemo @luckytran true. I had a deaf roommate in college.but still, to order a hamburger.. plus now most people are probably ordering ahead using their phones.. I think the whole notion is a bit silly, especially compared to preventing the spread of a communicable disease, TBH
(DIR) Post #AXlIS7Zu4FYSgIsA2i by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-16T19:40:14Z
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@dannotdaniel Thinking its silly to want deaf people to be able to talk to other people rather than to have to resort to apps and cant just walk in and buy a burger without a whole ordeal... sorry no...We could also just argue that everyone can just use the drive through and not need a mask to go in at all then if they want masks.@luckytran
(DIR) Post #AXlIZzO4PA3Bav5bLk by dannotdaniel@mastodon.social
2023-07-16T19:41:42Z
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@freemo @luckytran i don't mean to trivialize anyone, be it deaf people or immuno-compromised folks ✌️
(DIR) Post #AXlNdjuwMYNiXq4WCO by NEETzsche@iddqd.social
2023-07-16T20:38:24.209492Z
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@jeffcliff The seriousness of COVID was wildly exaggerated. Flubros saw hard vindication. The difference between it and the flu is purely academic. Only virologists have any room caring @luckytran @freemo
(DIR) Post #AXlNpQ4BzdyESBy88W by jeffcliff@shitposter.club
2023-07-16T20:40:29.855009Z
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No it was not. If anything it was understated.>. Flubros saw hard vindication.No they did not. Over and over again, it is clear that covid should be compared with diseases like measles/HIV instead of the flu.> The difference between it and the flu is purely academic. No it isn't. Widespread internal organ damage and mass death isn't 'academic'> Only virologists have any room caringYes, virologists understand how dangerous it is.
(DIR) Post #AXpkcDD0Uk7gULEiDA by Gaythia@qoto.org
2023-07-18T23:14:41Z
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@freemo @luckytran The conclusion from the article Dr Freemo cites further down in the thread is" As a conclusion we can say that, while it is evident and commonly accepted that wearing a face mask is very important for reducing the virus spread, especially in circumstances where proper ventilation and social distancing cannot be guaranteed, our study underlines that wearing a face mask is really beneficial only if it is used correctly. " https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-022-20692-9. For a business like In-N-Out Burger that would require that an employee ought to be provided with enough masks that they can be changed regularly, and very briefly removed and replaced when the need arises to converse with someone having difficulty hearing them. Much like also ought to happen with disposable gloves.
(DIR) Post #AXplbfq4fBCywooi48 by Gaythia@qoto.org
2023-07-18T23:24:52Z
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@freemo @luckytran We ought to have learned from the pandemic experience that we need to be much more attentive to indoor air quality, social distancing and relationships between those two. Even where we are packed in like sardines, as in an airplane, structural modifications could help. Meanwhile, I like my envo mask, with lots of replacement N95 filters
(DIR) Post #AXplbgQaTQPom3tryi by freemo@qoto.org
2023-07-18T23:25:45Z
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@Gaythia @luckytran Diseases aside better air quality is a good idea for countless other reasons too.