Post AXfRqIz135hJdtSwbo by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
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(DIR) Post #AXfN890oMO709wzbYO by array@fosstodon.org
2023-07-13T22:48:23Z
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If you are a software developer who uses Linux, I would like to know your choice. Feel free to coment why, and boost for reach. Your feedback is much appreciated. :)
(DIR) Post #AXfNCaibI5XVFOaxUG by quietlife@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-07-13T23:05:15.226228Z
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@array gentoo, so I always have build tools available, maintaining multiple versions of things is easier, etc.
(DIR) Post #AXfNCvGIuUNmxiW9nU by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:05:18.033Z
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@array@fosstodon.org No Arch It's over
(DIR) Post #AXfNH9R09ucE4lXOqW by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:06:04.816Z
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@array@fosstodon.org Well I use Artix most of the time. Fork of Arch without systemd.
(DIR) Post #AXfNv2E4NagVInVUWm by array@fosstodon.org
2023-07-13T23:11:55Z
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@quietlife It's a very interesting choice for sure. :) I had a source distro for a while (Kiss Linux), and I really enjoyed it as a learning experience, but the overhead of building everything from source was too much for my rather weak hardware. Plus, there's the *cognitive* overhead, and I already have too much of that now. ;) Thanks for sharing! :D
(DIR) Post #AXfNv2w1k9qXV84b2m by quietlife@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-07-13T23:13:16.986328Z
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@array yeah it functions as a good break for me. Get stuck on "why is this endpoint failing sometimes?" And emerge world to change gears, etc.
(DIR) Post #AXfOsjpxsT4Be4hVvE by array@fosstodon.org
2023-07-13T23:16:48Z
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@dushman Yeah, I know Artix. I have an Arch install myself, and Void, which is an independent distro, but RR as Arch, and non-systemd, as Artix. But I use neither as dev machines, I'm aware of a version bump causing breakage in any of my software projects, that's why I'm avoiding rolling release. ;) Does it works well for you?
(DIR) Post #AXfOskXZGLwdpJ6Ksy by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:24:03.575Z
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@array@fosstodon.org I write Perl CLI programs mostly and it works just fine for that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
(DIR) Post #AXfOwUBxzIW4HUmMQS by meso@the.asbestos.cafe
2023-07-13T23:24:45.572990Z
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@array all of these suck
(DIR) Post #AXfOxnv87hltl1X4ZE by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:24:59.813Z
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@meso@the.asbestos.cafe @array@fosstodon.org :live_osaka_reaction:
(DIR) Post #AXfP2b1nU6ZpDhw5h2 by array@fosstodon.org
2023-07-13T23:25:03Z
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@quietlife I know a guy who uses Gentoo as well, he does sysadmin work tough... And yet it's really amazing the fine-grained package control that Gentoo enables, with all those flags and stuff. And yet as I said, at this point I need my environment as "plug and play" as it can get, because I'm totally invested in learning parts of the programming, not tooling, stuff. But having good tools in working order is paramount! :)
(DIR) Post #AXfP5ZVxZI29OXSmFk by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:26:21.595Z
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cc @meso@the.asbestos.cafe I can send you some of that stuff if you don't believe me lol
(DIR) Post #AXfPAYj5vT8uOkz87s by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:27:17.182Z
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@meso@the.asbestos.cafe I'm making a thing for more convenient service management on runit
(DIR) Post #AXfPQ0WoqCYAy6bqzo by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:30:05.575Z
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@meso@the.asbestos.cafe Just cuz it's kinda tedious loading them up by hand
(DIR) Post #AXfPREfziz318ZUFqi by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:30:17.541Z
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@meso@the.asbestos.cafe cc @getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz
(DIR) Post #AXfPTGWnoKYtSY9h0y by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:30:39.998Z
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@meso@the.asbestos.cafe gonna do more things besides just that
(DIR) Post #AXfPXAfhWjTKSEBDU0 by getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz
2023-07-13T23:31:22.497314Z
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@dushman put it on a git repository when you think it's ready@meso
(DIR) Post #AXfPZxCc3rzvY6tvf6 by quietlife@freesoftwareextremist.com
2023-07-13T23:31:53.154113Z
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@array I do Dev and admin and a dozen other things. Versatility is a kiss and a curse
(DIR) Post #AXfQVYAHJCxKgyGzIm by array@fosstodon.org
2023-07-13T23:38:04Z
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@quietlife Sure it is. ;) I'm a fresh graduate from a Programming course, so that's what I want to focus my eventual career on, but if-and-when I've landed an actual job, we'll see. :)
(DIR) Post #AXfQeudP8UsczGMRE0 by pernia@cum.salon
2023-07-13T23:43:57.876863Z
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@dushman @array windows would work fine for that too
(DIR) Post #AXfQi61fEwL7BYE5tA by pernia@cum.salon
2023-07-13T23:44:32.718654Z
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@array i use cheddix
(DIR) Post #AXfQnzhneTv9JvkOjw by meso@the.asbestos.cafe
2023-07-13T23:45:37.948827Z
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@pernia @meowski @array garcheda linux
(DIR) Post #AXfQpA8CNHonweeUsq by errante@rot.gives
2023-07-13T23:45:47.547051Z
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@array >fedora basedits redhat based u bitch
(DIR) Post #AXfQpv3tt5J5Uw0ED2 by pernia@cum.salon
2023-07-13T23:45:57.788418Z
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@meso @meowski @array choggle OS
(DIR) Post #AXfR02lA7dSsGg48Bs by array@fosstodon.org
2023-07-13T23:43:26Z
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@dushman Aha, sounds good. :) AFAIK Perl is quite... Conservative, meaning stable (as the existence of Raku would be a proof of, right?) So I guess there's less possibilities of breakage on version bump than in more moving targets, say PHP, which is one of the langs I use ATM. :)
(DIR) Post #AXfR03Ork1DwFodq4m by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:47:48.003Z
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@array@fosstodon.org FAIK Perl is quite... Conservative, meaning stableVery much so yes
(DIR) Post #AXfR5jiBr3pkvgOF4C by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:48:50.472Z
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@array@fosstodon.org It's been around for a while and all the conventions are pretty well established so version bumps tend not to affect things much
(DIR) Post #AXfRTVYE9hgnxd46BE by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:53:07.255Z
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@array@fosstodon.org Perl 5 (current major version) has been around since 97 lol
(DIR) Post #AXfRY2qMJi9sNEi2xE by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:53:57.312Z
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@array@fosstodon.org well not major version but you get the point
(DIR) Post #AXfRjOWs1wsEof0QJk by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:56:00.506Z
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@array@fosstodon.org Perl 6 is what eventually became Raku cuz they implemented quite a lot of major changes
(DIR) Post #AXfRm1aNn1XEWku1vE by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:56:28.838Z
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@array@fosstodon.org Perl 7 is the upcoming successor to 5
(DIR) Post #AXfRmCSdMAsAFuMUs4 by meso@the.asbestos.cafe
2023-07-13T23:56:29.644178Z
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@dushman @array perl 6 seems to suck
(DIR) Post #AXfRowCuFBIqiMJKxU by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:56:58.263Z
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@meso@the.asbestos.cafe @array@fosstodon.org I have never used it. It's a different language at this point.
(DIR) Post #AXfRqIz135hJdtSwbo by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:57:14.568Z
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@meso@the.asbestos.cafe @array@fosstodon.org Perl 7 will be the actual continuation of 5
(DIR) Post #AXfRquECZapV9hr5uq by getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz
2023-07-13T23:57:21.468421Z
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@dushman have I told you I know Raku? Probably not. But I can write shit in it. :akko_yay:@array
(DIR) Post #AXfRtJZzHvn0MQC63k by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:57:47.985Z
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@getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz @array@fosstodon.org Ik about Raku aka Perl 6 yeah obviously
(DIR) Post #AXfRtyuHdNNyXF0Nt2 by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:57:54.436Z
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@getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz @array@fosstodon.org Just never used it
(DIR) Post #AXfS1GW8YadpBFBU0G by getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz
2023-07-13T23:59:14.420505Z
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@dushman I haven't even installed it on my current system, lol@array
(DIR) Post #AXfS4BafKcoKlhh9gu by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-13T23:59:45.378Z
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@getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz @array@fosstodon.org Me neither. It's a rare language lol.
(DIR) Post #AXfS9hhDOJGBn3ODNg by getimiskon@fedi.getimiskon.xyz
2023-07-14T00:00:45.014463Z
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@dushman it has some nice features, but overall it kind of sucks, which is unfortunate, because it's good shit@array
(DIR) Post #AXfSBqCIkoYgjgwuA4 by array@fosstodon.org
2023-07-13T23:59:48Z
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@dushman Yup, "conservative" may be an understatement. XP TBH I've never used it, but from what I've heard it a) has awesome regex, b) is very appreciated by old UNIX graybeards, and c) it hogs the lower positions in every programming languages performance tests I've seen around. XD
(DIR) Post #AXfSBqy9ssq787L7ku by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-14T00:01:08.147Z
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@array@fosstodon.org has awesome regexYup that's one of the best things about it
(DIR) Post #AXfSGwnRe820eOl1vc by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-14T00:02:04.255Z
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@array@fosstodon.org it hogs the lower positions in every programming languages performance tests I've seen around. It may not be the fastest but it is extremely versatile. You can implement one thing in just about every way you can think of.
(DIR) Post #AXfSH3FJfPtIeZqNCi by teratology@the.asbestos.cafe
2023-07-14T00:02:05.448469Z
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@array I use void
(DIR) Post #AXfSPFMeUlbUYRBPAO by theorytoe@ak.kyaruc.moe
2023-07-14T00:03:34.280642Z
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@array atrix is nicebut usually i end up writing code that builds on debianso essentially debian
(DIR) Post #AXfSR7xB1HkG9JADCa by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-14T00:03:53.776Z
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@array@fosstodon.org It's great for glue code because of that lel
(DIR) Post #AXfSYwKI8JoqP9hVQW by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-14T00:05:18.966Z
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@array@fosstodon.org Also great for writing system administration utilities
(DIR) Post #AXfSe0GauVR24cNzG4 by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-14T00:06:14.173Z
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@array@fosstodon.org which is why I'm making a service management program for runit in Perl
(DIR) Post #AXfTUjHgmTh2kf2WJc by array@fosstodon.org
2023-07-14T00:10:15Z
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@dushman Yeah, these things are usually trade offs. Python seems to be pretty slow too, at least if compared with, say, C or Rust, but that hasn't stopped it from going into first position in the TIOBE index, and being used almost everywhere, from web development to data science, IoT, AI... Sure Perl has its use cases and environments where it shines. :)
(DIR) Post #AXfTUjxWGx9aqObvW4 by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-14T00:15:45.895Z
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@array@fosstodon.org If performance is critical then C is your best bet
(DIR) Post #AXfTi1rf0m4c8qCsme by array@fosstodon.org
2023-07-14T00:17:14Z
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@dushman That sounds noice. I use Void myself (not for development though), and one of the things I really appreciate from it is runit. I love the simplicity (write a service, or Void just created one for you, do a symlink, bang, done!) and the very noticeable lower startup times, compared to any of the systemd distros I have. :)
(DIR) Post #AXfTi2ZGOex4K4bhkO by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-14T00:18:09.042Z
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@array@fosstodon.org My boot time on Artix with runit is 5 seconds lol
(DIR) Post #AXfTjTGCdjaTOjNEtU by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-14T00:18:25.004Z
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@array@fosstodon.org I have Void and OpenBSD on my laptop
(DIR) Post #AXfU05mlAjdbVyWmdk by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-14T00:21:25.373Z
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@array@fosstodon.org I run Ubuntu LTS on the VPS this instance runs on. We also have searxng and invidious.https://tube.raccoon.quest/https://search.raccoon.quest/
(DIR) Post #AXfU2nRznUqpWE6ZbE by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-14T00:21:55.180Z
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@array@fosstodon.org I keep them always up to date and they both have media/image proxy
(DIR) Post #AXfU7QAXmiQClD9Bk8 by dushman@den.raccoon.quest
2023-07-14T00:22:44.642Z
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@array@fosstodon.org Our fedi instance running misskey has open registrations if you want to check it out
(DIR) Post #AXfVDoqf2ZRezfSh3A by pernia@cum.salon
2023-07-14T00:35:05.451477Z
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@teratology @array pedophile
(DIR) Post #AXfVKotrFNsTBGINHs by CentaurBreeder@bae.st
2023-07-14T00:36:23.337722Z
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@dushman @array beep
(DIR) Post #AXfW6Q1h1uZrw7enhY by benjaminhollon@fosstodon.org
2023-07-13T22:50:44Z
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@arrayI'm currently using NixOS, actually. It's been a neat ride. But I don't think the distro matters much to software development as long as you have up-to-date repos (so probably not debian-based?).
(DIR) Post #AXgUgZWfBOAL4cDMSe by captainborracho@mastodon.world
2023-07-14T09:42:08Z
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@array Started with Mandrake, then Gentoo in the early 2000s and switched to Ubuntu around 08 as my main development platform then Kububtu / Xubuntu later.I've dabbled with other distros but I keep coming back to Kububtu as it just does everything I need with minimal fuss. I've even started using it for gaming so I'm planning to drop Windows altogether after Windows 10 support ends.
(DIR) Post #AXgUgaEcXxKNGwmSye by array@fosstodon.org
2023-07-14T09:52:24Z
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@captainborracho That's a lot of years experience, for sure. :) Yeah, I've been using Ubuntu myself (for development) mostly for the same reasons to stick with... It's just that I'm feeling a bit uncomfortable lately, with the obsession in pushing snaps, and being enterprise-owned is a bit vague, but real reason to be a bit worried too about things that could happen (like that Amazon issue from years back...)
(DIR) Post #AXgUgawDvqCpSBBHwO by captainborracho@mastodon.world
2023-07-14T10:08:55Z
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@array Totally share that sentiment too, especially regarding snaps, which I just don't get on with!I've been thinking about trying Arch at some point, but so far haven't had the time to take it for a test drive.I think one of the great things about modern Linux though is it's definitely not the huge leap it once was to jump between most of the big distros. I just haven't had enough reason to make a switch yet.
(DIR) Post #AXgUgbWjk5PfHQGRqy by array@fosstodon.org
2023-07-14T10:16:34Z
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@captainborracho Yup, the real point for this poll and thread was to pick some alternatives if I'm eventually pressed to switch from Ubuntu in my dev machines. I'm already using rolling release distros in testing machines and for everything non-dev related (Arch, Void and Debian Sid) as a testing ground for that eventual switch, as I'm considering many other options. But yeah, nowadays any tried-and-tested distro is at the very minimum usable for dev work once you adjust I guess. :)
(DIR) Post #AXiwRduTmohzMLwZWq by array@fosstodon.org
2023-07-14T00:12:54Z
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@teratology For development? I've got a Void install and actually I started my programming course with a Void machine, but there were some showstoppers which made me get Ubuntu instead for dev... How's it working for you?
(DIR) Post #AXiwRedV5Qilbz0Whc by teratology@the.asbestos.cafe
2023-07-15T16:24:16.690187Z
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@array I don't work as a dev but I do recommend using libc instead of the musl version for best compatibility
(DIR) Post #AXlEK8GJF0bwfYduYS by array@fosstodon.org
2023-07-13T22:57:40Z
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@benjaminhollon It does matter, indeed, at least in my experience. You can write code with anything, starting from pen and paper... But when the dev stack(s) are going huge and complicated, some differences between distros, well, do make a difference. ;) NixOS is on my current watch list, BTW. :D
(DIR) Post #AXlEK9zMoyFO1ajPQO by sotolf@social.linux.pizza
2023-07-14T07:09:13Z
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@array @benjaminhollon Well if you want to spend a lot of time just managing your OS, want to learn skills that are completely useless outside of managing this one niche distro, and waste your harddrive space, nixOS is an excellent choice.