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 (DIR) Post #AXew0rJ1615gSFoFn6 by abolisyonista@ni.hil.ist
       2023-07-13T10:02:43Z
       
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       Subtooting something that said anarchists don't know how to clean a city's sewers because an online anarcho argued the answer to “who will clean the sewers” was that sewers would be abolished in favor of community-scaled composting and plumbing. I don't actually disagree. Modern sewage systems are environmentally destructive and takes a convoluted industrial process to detoxify sewage. Liberals and state socialists aren't ready for a conversation about creating ways of living that compliment rather than contradict the natural world. Of course hard questions like “how will we manage sewage” need to be answered, but we mustn't shy away if the answers are scary — that current ways of living may not or even could not exist in a truly liberated society.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXew0ta6dRwtVpovho by NatSecGeek@kolektiva.social
       2023-07-13T11:04:52Z
       
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       @abolisyonista Anarchists that want to use the same unsustainable techniques and methods as capitalists confuse the shit out of me."If you can't replicate the system we're trying to dismantle, obviously you're an amateur who doesn't know anything."Here my simple ass was thinking the idea was to replace those systems, not keep them but with "good people" in charge
       
 (DIR) Post #AXew0w9z31ptVgcbuC by abolisyonista@ni.hil.ist
       2023-07-13T11:24:09Z
       
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       @NatSecGeek indeed. An anarchist or communist society isn't like our current society with tweaks but a radically different form of social life.
       
 (DIR) Post #AXew0xYTrR1dpx5gjA by NatSecGeek@kolektiva.social
       2023-07-13T11:53:51Z
       
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       @abolisyonista Exactly, and (to my mind, anyway) in some ways it might seem like a giant pause button on society (or even a step or two "backwards" when it comes to true luxury items a la 4K screens) while we figure out how to fix things or do them sustainably instead of prioritizing growth for its own sake, or products that fill a need that only exists in the mind or didn't exist at all until the "solution" was createdAnd I'll readily admit, I'm not the one with the solution to a lot of those things. It'll take people smarter and more educated than me in a lot of fields to figure it all out. And there's no shame in that. No one should expect society to be flawlessly rebuilt by any one person or even any one group of people. That's not realistic and I hate the people that play "Gotcha" because someone (or maybe even everyone) hasn't figured out a solution to a problem yet. But if you go up to someone who supports the current systems of power and ask them "ok what's the solution to the 100+ ongoing ecological crises that humans are directly responsible for?" and suddenly not knowing isn't a Gotcha anymore
       
 (DIR) Post #AXew0yvYl7545otdL6 by abolisyonista@ni.hil.ist
       2023-07-13T12:11:51Z
       
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       @NatSecGeek reminds me of something I read.“People want to treat ‘we’ll figure it out by working to get there’ as some sort of rhetorical evasion instead of being a fundamental expression of trust in the power of conscious collective effort.” ~Anonymous, but quoted by Mariame Kaba
       
 (DIR) Post #AXf5ZJlQh7KW9Lbbl2 by 7666@comp.lain.la
       2023-07-13T19:47:39.554004Z
       
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       @abolisyonista >on the 32nd floor of the newly claimed anarchy commieblock tower in $city_of_your_choice after the downfall of capitalism>"honey, can you head down to the 1st floor and empty the poop bucket our toilet goes into?">begrudingly agree>head downstairs>elevator's broken, community lacks an elevator repairman and the community in the neighboring tower that has one hates us because we called them pedos or something>go down 31 flights of stairs>find the poop bucket>should have done this last weekend, this thing's full as hell>carry heavy poop bucket 2km to the community-sized (read: city sized) compost heap>need a gas mask to even approach the thing and someone stole the last one>dump the poop while holding my nose>it gets on my shoes again, mission accomplished though>i can still smell this thing as i re-enter the city center>head back up 31 flights of stairs with poop encrusted shoes that i now have to wash>at least i'm free though:blobthumbsup: