Post AXcQU89TxJ3AFcLOBU by amerika@noagendasocial.com
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(DIR) Post #AXcEdH4AyyFz3SSJxg by thor@berserker.town
2023-07-12T08:38:17Z
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if they made it so that people with a low income got fully compensated for this through welfare benefits, well, you've just invented socialism.people who have a high income tend to hate that, because they have to pay more taxes just because they worked smarter and harder, and this doesn't seem fair at all.but it doesn't seem fair to people with a low income that they get left with pennies because of circumstances outside of their control either.it's not like anyone *wants* a low income. if you ask people with a low income if that's something they feel they can change, most of them would say no. there are people who are very anti-money and live an alternative lifestyle but they're a tiny minority.
(DIR) Post #AXcEdHw3kdMHkZfLwu by engravecavedave@mastodon.social
2023-07-12T08:41:32Z
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@thor doesn't Norway have a good social welfare system though? I know Denmakr does
(DIR) Post #AXcEdInEYvtQPUXopc by thor@berserker.town
2023-07-12T08:43:10Z
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@engravecavedave what is "good" social welfare?most people on disability benefits cannot afford what their working friends can.recently talked to a working friend of mine who knows someone on disability benefits, and she complained to him that "i appreciate that you invite me to socialise, but everything you want to do costs money. i can't afford that so i have to decline."
(DIR) Post #AXcEdJaVbjJAsJbAdU by thor@berserker.town
2023-07-12T08:44:32Z
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@engravecavedave the benefits you get will get the bills paid and food on the table, but if you actually want to live, there's usually nothing left over for that."here, we will keep you alive, but you have to stay home all the time."
(DIR) Post #AXcEdM0oatXUOTvCuu by thor@berserker.town
2023-07-12T08:45:44Z
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@engravecavedave single mothers on such benefits can usually not afford to buy much for their children either, and if the school decides to arrange something where the parents have to chuck in a bit, they can't afford it. you're constantly in situations where people are taking for granted that you have money to spare.
(DIR) Post #AXcEdMVekED1w8LpzM by engravecavedave@mastodon.social
2023-07-12T10:39:33Z
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@thor fair enough. Currently on benefits myself and that's pretty much my situation as well. Barely have money to have a life. I come from a country where benefits are a joke so I am at least grateful that it's enough to survive on although I understand it could be better
(DIR) Post #AXcEdN0UtYsZTmmT3o by thor@berserker.town
2023-07-12T10:40:49Z
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@engravecavedave the base benefit you get here if you're not entitled to anything else through past earned income is 1/2 of the average income. so you must live on 1/2 of what the next guy lives on. if i named a sum, it would probably sound generous to you, but prices for everything are also high here.
(DIR) Post #AXcEdNWOywOr4jhwn2 by thor@berserker.town
2023-07-12T10:42:08Z
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@engravecavedave what this 1/2 income will get you is rent for a one-room apartment, some utility bills and ordinary food at the grocery store. so you survive. but not much else.
(DIR) Post #AXcLIFNGmGyjPAJ6Rs by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-07-12T11:59:44Z
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@thor Ironically why I oppose socialism is that it makes people poor by raising costs.Instead of giving people money, reduce the cost of living by cutting taxes.This lets them live without being entrenched in the system, or forced into a consumerist lifestyle.The middle classes took over from the kings, and generally are so short-sighted that everything they do is destructive...
(DIR) Post #AXcLW5JMzJfSFX56US by thor@berserker.town
2023-07-12T12:02:12Z
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@amerika this proposal has not been tested by any nation for... an extremely long time. most communities start out without any taxation or money and people just barter and such. somebody saw some kind of problem with this system that they felt needed solving.
(DIR) Post #AXcQQKA1MjFoKwmUG8 by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-07-12T12:57:13Z
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@thor This describes a pathology more than anything else. "We observed a facet of nature, described it as a problem, and applied the perceived solution... and now we all have the same problems."I think that is accurate, for the most part. The taxes come before the wars, but then the wars justify more taxes.Since what our modern nations are doing is not working, it makes sense to try something else.
(DIR) Post #AXcQU89TxJ3AFcLOBU by amerika@noagendasocial.com
2023-07-12T12:57:54Z
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@thor Personally, I just want to protect the drop-outs.When I grew up, you could live in this metro area very cheaply, and so all the interesting people were here.Once it got expensive, it got "respectable" and now it is nothing but condos for a hundred miles in every direction.