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(DIR) Post #AXa0B9wz0Xwetd81Vg by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-07-11T08:52:05Z
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Let's not cheer for a company that attempted to assert that APIs were independently copyrightable
(DIR) Post #AXa0NfEUWhRROMHRtg by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-07-11T08:54:24Z
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Oracle attempted one of the largest landgrabs in IP history and if they'd succeeded would have fucked over the entire software ecosystem. They turned Solaris from an open source OS to a proprietary one. Being on the right side on a single issue doesn't mean they're the good guys.
(DIR) Post #AXa0WOEt4sD9IFcu7k by pikesley@mastodon.me.uk
2023-07-11T08:55:07Z
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@mjg59 it's all a bit Alien vs Predator tbh
(DIR) Post #AXa0iJda0q40UprYi8 by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-07-11T08:56:39Z
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@pikesley I don't entirely disagree except it's "Alien who will eat absolutely everyone" vs "Predator who will maybe fuck a couple of things up and then go home"
(DIR) Post #AXa0ybdUrU7ax3aknw by MissAemilia@mastodon.gamedev.place
2023-07-11T09:01:09Z
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@mjg59Well lets also not forget they're only doing this for their own benefit. They need RHEL SRPMs for Oracle Linux. They don't care about the greater free software sphere, they care about being able to make competitive takeouts.
(DIR) Post #AXa18ECArtzd9COrbM by konst@hachyderm.io
2023-07-11T09:01:48Z
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@mjg59 the internet is cheering a patent troll.
(DIR) Post #AXa1GVCbWM9WD5Xwzg by darkling@mstdn.social
2023-07-11T09:02:15Z
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@mjg59 With Oracle, even if they're doing something that I agree with at a superficial level (which is rarely), I always worry that I haven't seen the trap.It's like MS were 20 years ago, but they get fewer column inches while doing it.
(DIR) Post #AXa1XWWbrA19Ee1K9A by rburchell@mastodon.social
2023-07-11T09:07:36Z
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@mjg59 even a broken clock is right twice a day, kind of territory
(DIR) Post #AXa1lk4QI9XXIdcGfI by jpm@aus.social
2023-07-11T09:09:57Z
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@mjg59 @uep *stares in Java*
(DIR) Post #AXa2H6QdDMOZcSxSAy by wj@ruby.social
2023-07-11T09:15:25Z
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@mjg59 what’s the context of this?
(DIR) Post #AXa2PhWPBeiGyil5fs by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-07-11T09:16:51Z
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@wj Oracle
(DIR) Post #AXa2bkPUH229PaGc6K by wj@ruby.social
2023-07-11T09:18:05Z
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@mjg59 I got that from the thread but not why people are now cheering for them.
(DIR) Post #AXa2neafjjUGpzAxzk by PJB@mastodon.gamedev.place
2023-07-11T09:19:19Z
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@mjg59 >people unironically cheering for evil megacorp A because they wrote an unfiltered press release shitting on evil megacorp B. How do people not realize evil megacorp A would do the same thing a million times over, if they think it'd make them money?
(DIR) Post #AXa2x9pEyW78JjWPya by PCOWandre@jauntygoat.net
2023-07-11T09:20:31Z
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@mjg59 aah, c'mon, Solaris was never open source and OpenSolaris was a thing for a very short time compared to the lifetime of SunOS and Solaris.And illumos lives on!
(DIR) Post #AXa383csMftIH8w5YW by ljrk@todon.eu
2023-07-11T09:22:00Z
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@mjg59 They also killed/withdrew support from MySQL, StarOffice/OpenOffice, Java, ZFS, SPARC, …Also, isn't the RHEL source still available through their git forge? I still don't get half of the discourse :'-)
(DIR) Post #AXa3TJ2cFM1EAM6k1Q by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-07-11T09:28:00Z
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@ljrk It's not /strictly/ the RHEL source, and the divergence probably matters for compatibility in a small number of cases
(DIR) Post #AXa3v6by3P4biwtnpw by klausman@mas.to
2023-07-11T09:34:06Z
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@mjg59 It's also relatively easy for them to be on the right side here.
(DIR) Post #AXa5lUSGkVG2gauCKu by cawhitworth@mastodon.online
2023-07-11T09:54:28Z
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@mjg59 I miss OpenSolaris :(
(DIR) Post #AXa5wgCfPR8kJAwXMu by ljrk@todon.eu
2023-07-11T09:55:22Z
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@mjg59 Hm, I thought it was (or read RHEL claims that it was), but that it's "simply" a matter of finding the right git tags etc., that is, RHEL is actually built from that Git repository?They claimed that it'd be possible (although would take some effort) to basically reverse engineer the specific combinations of tags. While I agree that this is an arbitrary limitation, it would indeed "only" limit the ease of building a binary compatible RHEL clone. Which, tbqh, I don't know what the purpose would be, nor why one must be able to do that.OTOH, the argument that open source needs some kind of argument, while true, irritates me since RH doesn't seem to have had a bad year.
(DIR) Post #AXa9JWU40mWygefG7M by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-07-11T10:34:44Z
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@ljrk Not all RHEL patches are guaranteed to be pushed to git immediately, and not all RHEL packages are guaranteed to be tagged immediately
(DIR) Post #AXaFUoOkLYQl9owZ6G by brother@mastodon.melin.org
2023-07-11T11:43:00Z
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@mjg59 hear hear. And when oracle looks like the good guys compared to you. It’s pretty bad….
(DIR) Post #AXaGhcpMmFXgzT4JVY by Npars01@mstdn.social
2023-07-11T11:56:33Z
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@mjg59 Oracle is definitely NOT one of the "good guys".1. Larry Ellison had pre-Jan 6 White House coup-planning calls mid-Nov 2022https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/20/larry-ellison-oracle-trump-election-challenges/2. Ellison helped Musk buy Twitter with the Saudishttps://www.latimes.com/business/technology/story/2022-05-05/elon-musk-gets-7-1-billion-from-larry-ellison-and-others-for-twitter-takeoverhttps://www.reuters.com/markets/us/how-will-elon-musk-pay-twitter-2022-10-07/https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2022/12/24/elon-musk-twitter-funders/3. Ellison, Thiel, Uihlein, & Yass funded 2022 election deniershttps://www.forbes.com/sites/mattdurot/2022/10/12/tech-billionaire-larry-ellisons-record-political-giving-funds-election-deniers-in-midterms/4. Oracle opens more Saudi "data centers"https://www.arabianbusiness.com/industries/technology/428254-larry-ellison-oracle-to-launch-four-gulf-data-centres-within-15-months5. AI funding https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-12/larry-ellison-rides-ai-boom-to-highest-wealth-ranking-everhttps://www.barrons.com/articles/oracle-stock-larry-ellison-5e53ff9a
(DIR) Post #AXaKwCiNWChUWSI8i8 by karolherbst@chaos.social
2023-07-11T12:44:15Z
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@mjg59 I'm sure now that they care so much for GPL and Linux, they'll make ZFS available for upstreaming into Linux or something 🙃
(DIR) Post #AXaLkd5VjocQnR9klU by soatok@furry.engineer
2023-07-11T12:52:28Z
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@mjg59 you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"
(DIR) Post #AXaOzHxAthAvSHwGW0 by feld@bikeshed.party
2023-07-11T13:31:18.459652Z
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The best we can do is support them when they're right and speak out when they're wrong
(DIR) Post #AXaP8zwyggiQW0Tbmq by AlgorithmWolf@ioc.exchange
2023-07-11T13:30:28Z
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@mjg59 a stopped clock something something
(DIR) Post #AXaVjiO5Y0zCU8347M by ajorg@mastodon.social
2023-07-11T14:45:47Z
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@mjg59 eh... I'm gonna cheer for them. Their API assertion is what made it clear they weren't. And their Linux division doesn't have to pay for the sins of Java Legal.Also, let's not cheer for a company that found a new workaround to the further restrictions clause. Or let's, but ironically. Yay, they found it.
(DIR) Post #AXaWq3Eh2w1QpxEtDU by ljrk@todon.eu
2023-07-11T14:57:34Z
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@mjg59 I see, that is unfortunate. Although I feel like the thing is kinda overblown? But then again, I've never really used either RHEL nor CentOS much...
(DIR) Post #AXac7qMUEG5Xq2e7Jg by thelinuxcast@fosstodon.org
2023-07-11T15:56:43Z
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@mjg59 Yes, that's why "Oracle is the good guys" is so funny, because they have blatantly not been the good guys.
(DIR) Post #AXacaCBGhRghcKuyu0 by vgarzareyna@mstdn.mx
2023-07-11T16:01:53Z
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@mjg59 I'm out of the loop, what's going on with oracle?
(DIR) Post #AXafWhKNFp98vDCWVk by fuzzykb@hachyderm.io
2023-07-11T16:34:54Z
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@mjg59 I saved this toot made during the Wagner rebellion because I knew it would be useful again some day.
(DIR) Post #AXagVtXgSG7aTAbizo by isagalaev@mastodon.social
2023-07-11T16:45:47Z
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@mjg59 what single issue? They have been pure evil for decades. Did I miss something?
(DIR) Post #AXagk0QVejIBsIyqnI by aethervision@universeodon.com
2023-07-11T16:48:33Z
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@mjg59 During my time at VMware, you could tell the folks that came up through Oracle a mile away. Something about having interned for the Empire before it fell just made them a little…off.
(DIR) Post #AXarkwWYkX0VYbSYlc by dneary@mastodon.ie
2023-07-11T18:52:18Z
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@mjg59 I think you could have stopped at "company". All companies are amoral in the right circumstances.
(DIR) Post #AXdoH9H53x2U1fCVKS by voidampersand@sfba.social
2023-07-13T04:57:06Z
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@mjg59 Oracle has ALWAYS been at war with IBM.
(DIR) Post #AXnOKrRuckeyfkyZdY by kithrup@mastodon.cloud
2023-07-17T19:53:36Z
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@mjg59 I thought they *succeeded* at that.
(DIR) Post #AXnVH7GwYGIYGf0U64 by katrinatransfem@mastodon.social
2023-07-11T10:38:34Z
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@ljrk @mjg59 In order to get a bug-compatible copy of Red Hat without paying for the support contract.
(DIR) Post #AXnVH8PUJyj9nS0p3Q by ljrk@todon.eu
2023-07-11T14:56:22Z
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@katrinatransfem @mjg59 Fair enough, but I honestly don't see the use-case there then :'D CentOS was regularly out-of-date for weeks at a time so you couldn't use that in production anyway?
(DIR) Post #AXnVH97nfEAm0skD7g by simon_lucy@mastodon.social
2023-07-17T19:57:00Z
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@ljrk @katrinatransfem @mjg59 Not so much, it was common to use Centos for the general server reserving RHEL for when you had to use the enterprise licence. It's not like RHEL moved that much, that being the point of it.
(DIR) Post #AXnVHA2sF1pIrtRn5E by ljrk@todon.eu
2023-07-17T20:13:40Z
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@simon_lucy @katrinatransfem @mjg59 I'm really not deep into this but I think I remember even the CentOS devs discouraging productive use since there's always been a sprint when every new RHEL version released where supporting the current CentOS version had to be basically abandoned to "catch up", leaving it unsupported and unpatched for possibly months...
(DIR) Post #AXnVHAqrFBoDMuphzc by mjg59@nondeterministic.computer
2023-07-17T21:11:32Z
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@ljrk @simon_lucy @katrinatransfem There were certainly periods around point releases where security updates tended not to be released because the point release needed to be built first, and historically this could take several weeks (I don't know how true that was after the RH acquisition)
(DIR) Post #AXnVl4fGoM9crrfdKa by ljrk@todon.eu
2023-07-17T21:16:56Z
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@mjg59 @simon_lucy @katrinatransfem Thank you, then it seems I was at least not totally misinformed albeit possibly outdated in info :)