Post AXZIwdF5WSSHN4QIrI by Are0h@ubiqueros.com
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(DIR) Post #AXZBxk6anBOZGb22vg by Nya@nya.house
2023-07-10T19:21:10.780039Z
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Dear @Are0h here is @JainI saw that you list blob.cat as as part of your Project thebad.space with multiple reasons.We have strict rules against nazis / far-right / freespeech peoples and we dont know why you call me / us / our server an Edgelord. So I would like to know where that came from and why you list us like that.The only thing why you think wrong about us, might be that we do federate most servers of the fediverse.Please be aware that we enforce rules localy but deny the Authority to create a blocklist. We are in the opinion, that this Authority only belongs to the User itself, since they have all the possibilities to manage serverblocks themselfes.Therefore i would like to ask you to revalidate our instance.
(DIR) Post #AXZByKZDEFgALmhPXM by Nya@nya.house
2023-07-10T21:19:40.925346Z
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@Are0h Well then, let me also response to this at least:> It’s not my list. It’s a compendium of sites that multiple instances in the fedi have blocked. Yes, I’ve added a few myself, but the grand majority are places that multiple admins have suspended. I just built a database for them. I think this is extremely dangerous because it spreads false information that has the potential to cause harm. Especially if these lists are poorly managed. As an example of how much can go wrong, you can use all the email server blocklist services. This discussion of their aspects is far older than Fediverse itself.> Second, we have an ideological divide because you feel it’s appropriate to make users responsible for themselves as an admin but want people to use a site that you run. But that's exactly something i feel it's important that there are servers that allow their users to do that. I find it astonishing how many anti-authoritarian users register with instances but are not even aware that they usually cede their authority of the blocklist to their admins. Especially since I've also had the pleasure of seeing those same admins act very non-transparently at their own discretion without thinking twice about consequences... An instance that leaves the freedom to the users themselves is of course nothing for most users.> It is irresponsible not to intervene for the safety of your users because of a subjective belief that wants to give an advantage to people with a history of bad behavior. Not sure if i interpret the second part correctly, but im sure we dont have a safety issue here, since it is my duty to take care that they behave inside their freedom. > I took a cursory look at the timeline of your instance.Thanks, thats more than others actually did.> I’ve already seen multiple users screenshotting the bad space and sending me passive-aggressive messages about why they feel it’s unfairI'm a little surprised there, especially since I can only find 2 posts. One with the text "kkkkk" and a passive-aggressive comment from myself. In my defense, I consider the list actually as unmaintained, because there are instances with wrong reasons and some of them do actually not exist anymore... and such blocklists exist unfortunately more than enough and I'm tired of fighting against such allegations.> As well as instances that have harassed me personally, such as qoto, ryona and shitposters, who have a definitive history of hate speech, freely roaming the timeline of your instance.I would like to point out here that you have probably blocked the corresponding instances that you consider worthy of blocking. However, it is not up to me to intervene in a conflict between 2 independent instances like yours and a different one. As I said, I only focus on my own. > While I appreciate your efforts to regulate hate speech, from my perspective, if you still allow the possibility for it to happen...I decide by Situation. If you think that a passive-aggressive comment from my side is not appropriate in this situation, then I can understand that accordingly and I don't expect you to do that for my situation, although I wish you would do.> ... by not removing the opportunity from people who have a history of engaging in that behavior, then it’s just window dressing. Ok, I am no longer sure if we are talking about my post... i just checked everything, there is nothing more and i cant see anything slightly more than what i already explained to you... If you could give me a hint, i will look into it, but at this point i have the feeling that we are not getting further about that...> So no, I don’t see a reason to remove that instance from that list because your moderation is ineffective, and your instance is very friendly with known abusers. As I wrote, from your point of view you see more than enough reasons to block certain Users / Instances. From my point of view, there is currently nothing that indicates that I have to take an action against a certain user / server, and I see no other argument than to fall back on your experience. While i do give you the point, that it wasnt my finest way to complain, but which also depend on our obvious conflict, so I claim, it is not possible for you to prove that our server is a "free speech zone", is associated especially with freespeechextremist.com as well as kiwifarms (which by the way doesnt exist anymore) and i also claim to not beeing an Edgelord (what might be subjective tho)... Alone that i and you take our time to talk, should prove that there is moderation done, but i guess more in a way which you dont like. As you may now understand, this is still the case of spreading false informations in a dangerous way. I would like to advise you to see things less from the point of view of your person and your instance, but more from the point of view of the list operator.> Enjoy your day.Thanks you too, i would enjoy talking things further tho, since this topic is important to me...
(DIR) Post #AXZByWFnmFHab3i4wq by Nya@nya.house
2023-07-10T22:58:35.946519Z
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@Are0h :blobcatgoogly: Where did I threaten you? Then I guess I've made another fruitless effort to have a conversation... :blobcatdespacito: Do you mind if publish those posts? (I actually already feel pressured to do this anyway... And also because of the transparency and so...)
(DIR) Post #AXZCpmrCmFBzRGbZgG by Jain@blob.cat
2023-07-10T23:40:47.886717Z
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I am accused of having threatened, therefore Im beeing forced to publish these posts.
(DIR) Post #AXZCuQYj6lXHjMAsrY by Jain@blob.cat
2023-07-10T23:41:39.028248Z
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The complete conversation is visible with a click on the thread at https://nya.house/main/public
(DIR) Post #AXZD9Y0ngHk1BlW2D2 by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2023-07-10T23:44:20.355878Z
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@Nya @Jain @Are0h You’re trying to reason with @Are0h? LOL. Dude straight up called me an Oreo because I disagreed with him on something. I wouldn’t care at all what he or any site associated with him says about me.
(DIR) Post #AXZDvZsG3oNqreQGLQ by Jain@blob.cat
2023-07-10T23:53:03.662958Z
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@realcaseyrollins tried it :blobcatpain:
(DIR) Post #AXZFLp7g5YUTdmiKRc by Nya@nya.house
2023-07-11T00:09:00.210071Z
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@Are0h You can't just accuse me of threatening you, you know that's brings me in a difficult situation. I expected more from you. The only possibility that is and remains is transparency from my side. > And you’re going to publish them anyway because you know your followers will harass me, as they’ve been attempting to all day. I distance myself from any harassment of others, i guess if someone would do, you should have blocked them already since it looks like thats your way to go. However, you must also understand that criticism is important and should be allowed. On the contrary, as I have already described durring the whole thread, I accuse you of harassing me and spreading misinformation.
(DIR) Post #AXZFWg4Q5OlkkZMjIm by realcaseyrollins@social.teci.world
2023-07-11T00:10:55.777527Z
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@Jain I don’t blame you, the site does slander your instance
(DIR) Post #AXZHNzem5wf0nYMCzw by Are0h@ubiqueros.com
2023-07-11T00:14:44.269Z
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@Nya@nya.house I can actually when you try to 'advise' me of 'false accusations' when there is plenty of evidence that details a long trail of poor behavior from your instance and the instances you defend.LOL as I said, you were going to publish this conversation anyway, so it didn't matter what I said. You don't respect people's boundaries. You've proven that time and time again.Criticism is fine. What you and what you're followers do isn't that.Yes, because you reaching out to me to instigate a conversation is 'harassment' and 'spreading misinformation', even though I have never said anything to you until you said something to me. You're just being delusional at this point. But that's what bigots do, so I'm not surprised.
(DIR) Post #AXZHO0PZHy5h8gFZw0 by Nya@nya.house
2023-07-11T00:31:47.327408Z
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@Are0h > I can actually when you try to ‘advise’ me of ‘false accusations’ when there is plenty of evidence that details a long trail of poor behavior from your instance and the instances you defend.Where? The only instance i defend is blob.cat! Please don't start lying, that's why I published the posts.> LOL as I said, you were going to publish this conversation anyway, so it didn’t matter what I said. You don’t respect people’s boundaries. You’ve proven that time and time again.The same goes for you. What is left for me to do beside publishing those posts? You are harming & harassing people.> Criticism is fine. What you and what you’re followers do isn’t that. Nobody didnt do anything yet than having criticism, watch the Thread. > Yes, because you reaching out to me to instigate a conversation is ‘harassment’...Are you for real? And doing public slander from your Website isnt?> ... and ‘spreading misinformation’, even though I have never said anything to you until you said something to me. I never spread any misinformation, everyone can read that. > You’re just being delusional at this point. But that’s what bigots do, so I’m not surprised.Dont start ad hominem, stay to the Facts.
(DIR) Post #AXZIwdF5WSSHN4QIrI by Are0h@ubiqueros.com
2023-07-11T00:35:30.356Z
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@Nya@nya.house I'm not interested in your incessant delusion to victimize yourself and people that have abused thousands of people on the fedi. You have served your purpose and are no longer needed. Enjoy your day.
(DIR) Post #AXZIwes7SpGqQPgzKq by Nya@nya.house
2023-07-11T00:49:15.537008Z
4 likes, 4 repeats
#fediblock This conversation is the reason why nobody should use blocklists, especialy https://thebad.space/. The full conversation is available in my Instance
(DIR) Post #AXZMscEPjr7AtVRrSi by neopolitan@pleroma.comfysnug.space
2023-07-11T01:33:22.006973Z
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@Nya Attempting to discuss anything with Are0h is an exercise in frustration. You'll never outcompete his persecution complex, best to not even try.
(DIR) Post #AXZNcnGX2uxAR9STkO by PurpCat@marsey.moe
2023-07-11T01:41:43.653279Z
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@Are0h @Nya serious question what are your thoughts on the Walmart radio network
(DIR) Post #AXZOC9saxZqehy7pOy by sun_eater@goreslut.xyz
2023-07-11T01:48:03.737529Z
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@Are0h @Nya hell, you are annoying dude
(DIR) Post #AXZRJaO76IUqoP6KR6 by PoorLifeChoices@fedi.absturztau.be
2023-07-11T02:22:39.391716Z
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@neopolitan @Nya Am I reading correctly that the (unstated, but implied) underlying reason for inclusion on the list is for not using the list?
(DIR) Post #AXZRKiB5chfhGHXur2 by neopolitan@pleroma.comfysnug.space
2023-07-11T02:23:15.633044Z
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@PoorLifeChoices yes, how do you think FAB is on the list?@Nya
(DIR) Post #AXZT54jmBD8SVHRTc0 by PoorLifeChoices@fedi.absturztau.be
2023-07-11T02:38:59.582876Z
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@neopolitan @Nya Ah. That makes sense. I'll admit that at the end of the day your only real choices are to use centralized curation of moderation guidelines (a la Twitter/Facebook/Tumblr,) or do your best in your own space, and hope for emergent cultural norms to keep things from getting too unreasonable (a la pre-Eternal September Internet.) Both have their up and downsides.Since I'm not on an instance that's using it, I'll leave my opinions about the implementation the door. Nevertheless, I'll remember that there will be folks inside the curated space I won't be able to talk to.
(DIR) Post #AXd3W5D3lKGtuuwIcK by zsarge@techhub.social
2023-07-12T20:12:47Z
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@realcaseyrollins @Jain @Nya @Are0h Just stumbled across this, and I feel validated. He's an awfully prickly character for someone who says they're supporting others.I feel conflicted because I appreciate the goal of having an accessible list of disreputable sites, but he doesn't seem to be particularly understanding or approachable regarding the sites he discredits, and to me, as an outsider, he has provided no links or screenshots to support who he chooses to block 😔He continues to assert he's the victim:https://ubiqueros.com/notes/9h3k3qfz7h
(DIR) Post #AXd3ghmbCdfiRgcyMi by Jain@blob.cat
2023-07-12T20:17:10.165207Z
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@zsarge Sadly yes. If you watch the thread on nya.house, you can also see what he wrote to me